Jack Dempsey fought 61 times in 13 years

Rocky Marcinao fought 49 times in 8 years.
Muhammad Ali, by comparison, fought 61 times in 18 years (not counting the 3 year layoff).
Larry Holmes fought 50 times in 13 years (up until his 2nd loss to Spinks and first retirement).
Evander Holyfield fought 56 times in 27 years.
MIke Tyson fought 56 times in 16 years (not counting the 4 year layoff 1991-1995)
Lennox Lewis fought 44 times in 14 years.
Vitali K fought 47 times in 16 years.

Deontay Wilder fought 32 times in 6 years--about the same rate as Tunney

Therefore Wilder = Tunney.

Interesting stuff.

A few simple things to point out here...

The lighter your opposition is, the more fights you can have (because you sustain less damage). and the more often you can fight against them.

The bummier your opposition is, the more often you fight against them too and the more you can have.

Hence older boxers having many fights, hence lower division boxers that have many more fights, hence bum busters like Wilder with such a high fight rate.

For example, it's obvious that someone like Ray Robinson or Archie Moore cannot have 200 fights at 200+, neither can they have this many fights against quality opponents.

For example, we will soon witness a current example with Deontay Wilder. His bum busting streak has about come to an end. A funny thing with the modern HW division is that you can, like the old days, bum your way to the top. But as soon as you step up to the plate, the media and the sanctioning bodies and the fans together will not allow you to go backwards.

Therefore, now that Wilder's level of competition is set to rise, expect to see him take more time preparing for his fights and his fight rate to drop significantly.

We seen it with Wladimir too. Objectively taken over whole career, Wladimir has one of the most frequent fight rates, despite only fighting 2 or 3 times a year now. This is because early in his career when he faced poorer comp, he racked them up very quickly.

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lololol..... Wilder is a ko away from being exposed. Mark my word.

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lololol..... Wilder is a ko away from being exposed. Mark my word.

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I agree, I think Wilder will be knocked out as soon as he takes a hard flush shot from any of these other hard punchers who also have real skills.

Wilder has no chin. And if any can drag him into deeper waters, no stamina either I don't reckon!

I hope it's Stiverne that does it. I back Stiverne to win by KO but acknowledge Wilder has something like a 1 in 3 chance too.

Yeah and most of those fights were against other crappy, spoon fed white fighters.

Unless you tangle with the dark skinned like Marciano, Greb or Ketchel, you can't call yourself a champ!

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I agree, I think Wilder will be knocked out as soon as he takes a hard flush shot from any of these other hard punchers who also have real skills.

Wilder has no chin. And if any can drag him into deeper waters, no stamina either I don't reckon!

I hope it's Stiverne that does it. I back Stiverne to win by KO but acknowledge Wilder has something like a 1 in 3 chance too.

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Wilder has no chin. And if any can drag him into deeper waters, no stamina either I don't reckon!

I hope it's Stiverne that does it. I back Stiverne to win by KO but acknowledge Wilder has something like a 1 in 3 chance too.

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Wilder has no chin. And if any can drag him into deeper waters, no stamina either I don't reckon!

I hope it's Stiverne that does it. I back Stiverne to win by KO but acknowledge Wilder has something like a 1 in 3 chance too.

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Yeah and if that happens you can laugh at me all over again LOL @Master

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That was the real reason you left last time. ;)

Nah, I wouldn't rip you off like that.

I always think if you can dish it, you can take it.

I was increasingly under the pump to get off this thing.

If I ever go missing again, it's not because I'm running from savage posts..

It's because the whip is getting cracked ;D

Whats the point of this redundant horse shit? You dip shit millennials got anything else to talk about? 40 of those 61 were from 1915 through 1916. So what? Young Stribling fought 55 times in one fucking year.
And everyone already knows or assumes based on your time spent in existence that all of Striblings opponents were shit.

So STFU already.

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Whats the point of this redundant horse shit? You dip shit millennials got anything else to talk about? 40 of those 61 were from 1915 through 1916. So what? Young Stribling fought 55 times in one fucking year.
And everyone already knows or assumes based on your time spent in existence that all of Striblings opponents were shit.

So STFU already.

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Ok. About this Stribling...

I don't even know the guy.

And I doubt there'd be any footage of him either, or atleast F/A of it.

So basically I would like to flip the script on you. You are not 120 years old yourself. So basically, you are promoting a fighter, YOU'VE NEVER EVEN SEEN! Atleast I promote fighters I watch! That is a typical thing with old timers from the OTNB community! "Old Time Nut Bags" in case you've forgotten ;)

Now I haven't taken a look at the record of who these 55 guys this fella fought in 1 year yet, so I am extending myself on a limb here. But I am willing to bet, that even for the CRITERIA OF THE DAY, the greater part of these 55 were not QUALITY opponents.

Not even if they LOST against a lot of them, because they'd be too banged up!

I can say this with some self assurance because nobody can really have that many fights against quality opponents.

I'm not knocking this guy Stribling, he was obviously very tough for doing so. He must have loved to fight and been a very durable guy. But come on man! Let's not pretend he was fighting world beaters now!

Yet you say Wlad fights world beaters like Leapai.

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I did not say Leapai was a world beater, he is obviously not. I just said he was not a bum!

Leapia or whatever the fuck his name is isn't a great fighter by any stretch, but at least he's a full time professional fighter.

A lot of these fucking guys from the early 1900's - especially during the great depression - these were fucking dopes who didn't belong in the ring but were trying to earn a buck for their families. Yeah, it's admirable, and yeah, you have to hand it to them for their courage. But were they great fighters? Fuck no. Jesus Christ, I've seen Joe Louis roll over guys who weren't good enough to fight in a bar, let alone in the professional ring with a champion.

People want to get a hard on for historical guys and believe they were the greatest, they'd whip anyone, they were tougher, they never ducked anyone, blah blah blah. Like Leo Tolstoy said, “History would be a wonderful thing – if it were only true.”

The HW Era from Jack Johnson to Rocky Marciano was the best ever. Guys like Max Baer, Primo Carnera, JJ Braddock, Max Schmeling, Jess Willard, Jack Dempsey, Johnson, Firpo, Tunney, Galento, Sharkey, Walcott, Rex layne, Harry Kid matthews, these were the best and most tough HW's of any era.

In the early part of the 1900s there were generally about 5000 registered pro fighters in NYC. That is more than there are in the world today, or than have been at any time over the last 20 years or more. So, sure, you are going to have some less than stellar guys in that number.
In those days, however, you made your money from live gates, and people pay to see good fights. that is in direct contrast to the recent practice of pitting top guys against losers just so they get kos. But then, you had to fight to get paid. In my youth, the Olympic Auditorium made money doing fights, and had for years before, because Don "War A Week" Chargin made good fight. In the 1990s, that same arena lost money doing fights with popular Mexican fighters because they put them in with victims.

I guess it all depends on what you want to see isn't it.

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You totally neglected to mention something very important in your figure here for 1900...

There WERE no amateur programs then! And these low level pro boxers fought for a nickel! They were side show freaks! That has nothing in common with what we NOW refer to as "professional" boxing. They were professional in name only!

Before professional boxers start fighting today they have already had a career, sometimes an enormous one at ammy. We call this a pedigree today.

Calling top contenders opponents today losers by comparison with the opponents of way in the past top contenders is immediately falsifiable by checking the records of these olden days KOed guys. They were losers too by your definition.

They didn't call Louis run the bum of the month club for nothing.

The difference today is that some of the guys you CALL bums today are actually decent boxers with decent records. In previous generations they were not only bummy boxers, but they were sometimes ACTUAL bums too!

Today's boxer is more of an elite athlete trained rigorously. Previous "pro" boxers sometimes worked an 8 hr shift and THEN trained with what little resources and energy and time they had left! Sorry but that simply doesn't compare with even generations like the 50's, 60's and 70's let alone the 80's+!

Today's boxer is more of an elite athlete trained rigorously. You are stupid beyond belief if you believe that. Chisroa was a joke against Fury. No way was he conditioned. He was just a punch bag. Are you blind or just ignorant.

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Today's boxer is more of an elite athlete trained rigorously. You are stupid beyond belief if you believe that. Chisroa was a joke against Fury. No way was he conditioned. He was just a punch bag. Are you blind or just ignorant.

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Chisora's JOB is to train all day, every day for his fights.

So, TRANSLATION: DESPITE being well prepared for Fury, Chisora was unable to beat Fury because Fury is simply better than Chisora.

Props to Fury for beating a decent opponent like Chisora and proving his worth as a serious HW.

You like Frazier and Ali right?

Chisroa and Fury are basically the modern, stronger versions of each!

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Chisora's JOB is to train all day, every day for his fights.

So, TRANSLATION: DESPITE being well prepared for Fury, Chisora was unable to beat Fury because Fury is simply better than Chisora.

Props to Fury for beating a decent opponent like Chisora and proving his worth as a serious HW.

You like Frazier and Ali right?

Chisroa and Fury are basically the modern, stronger versions of each!

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Your post get stupider everyday. The output of Chisora was worse than when he fought the first time. It was an abysmal effort. Do not compare him to Fraizier.

While we are on the subject of pitiful efforts Johnathan Banks against Target was embarrassing as well. For modern trained fighters who train full time, they are poor which is why Wlad is enjoying beating this crap year in year out. Easy money.

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Chisora's JOB is to train all day, every day for his fights.

So, TRANSLATION: DESPITE being well prepared for Fury, Chisora was unable to beat Fury because Fury is simply better than Chisora.

Props to Fury for beating a decent opponent like Chisora and proving his worth as a serious HW.

You like Frazier and Ali right?

Chisroa and Fury are basically the modern, stronger versions of each!

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Your post get stupider everyday. The output of Chisora was worse than when he fought the first time. It was an abysmal effort. Do not compare him to Fraizier.

While we are on the subject of pitiful efforts Johnathan Banks against Target was embarrassing as well. For modern trained fighters who train full time, they are poor which is why Wlad is enjoying beating this crap year in year out. Easy money.

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Antonio Tarver is 46 years old and has only fought 1ce a year for the last 5 years. He clearly isn't a serious contender anymore, but he was an excellent boxer and obviously still good enough to beat Banks who exposed a few frauds but was never a serious factor himself and is now a part-time boxer, full-time trainer!

The correct comparison is champs+contenders to champs+contenders and social boxers to social boxers, past to present.

I don't care if you want to rubbish these 2 because for me it has little relevance!

Frazier and Ali were supposed to be the BEST!

On the contrary, it is in fact deplorable to compare Frazier FAVOURABLY against Chisora, who is in fact a SUPER-FRAZIER.

Chisora could not carry Joe's jockstrap.

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You want to see Joe Frazier try to carry something? Why don't you google Joe Frazier - SuperStars program lol

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How do you know Chisora is strong as an ox? Because he weighs heavier? Again you make the mistake of equating strength with weight as well as newer being better. Joe was in better condition than Chisora has ever been in his fights.

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I find that statement particularly amusing, considering Chisora is strong as an ox and Joe Frazier, there is a good chance would actually not quite be strong enough to support Chisora's jock strap!

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How do you know Chisora is strong as an ox? Because he weighs heavier? Again you make the mistake of equating strength with weight as well as newer being better. Joe was in better condition than Chisora has ever been in his fights.

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Joe was never in as good a condition as Chisora, don't be ridiculous! LOL, there was one time when Frazier was actually lean and 6-packed but that did not last long, normal Frazier was more chubbier than Chisora, just a smaller version.

But YOU make the mistake of equating being ripped with being in condition when that is demonstratably not so, same with being fat.

As for strength, I have NEVER equated heavy with strong, other than the fact the chances of being stronger when heavier are higher.

That's why I also say "x is heavier AND stronger than y", because they don't always go hand in hand. One thing that fat does NOT confer is strength!

However Chirsora lifts some hefty weights for his preparation, he is well muscled, built like a bull in fact and has more leverage. Frazier is diminutive, slender muscled and failed lifting weights that the average schoolboy today could TOY with.

They don't come much more UN-athletic than Joe Frazier. That's a fact!

Today, Joe and Clay would be viewed as they really were.. GROSSLY OUT OF SHAPE CRUISERWEIGHTS!

Take Frazier, make him a bit taller, sharpen his skills a bit, pump him full of steroids for about a year or so and THERE'S your Dereck Chisora! ;) LOL

Not Sure On How You're Looking At This

But, before Jack fought for the Heavyweight Championship, he stepped
into the Ring '60' times from August 1914 thru December 1918.

In 4 1/2 years as a Professional, Jack was fighting an average of '13' times
per year.

In those days, Barn-Storming bouts were taking place nearly every week.

The work was there, if you wanted it.

Joe Frazier was better conditioned than Chisora and had achieved more than chi's will ever do.

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Joe Frazier at one point in his career had a 6-pack, meaning very little body fat.

As boxing specific conditioning goes, even with extra muscle and a bit of chub, Chisora is more conditioned than Joe ever was for boxing because of modern training.

Because of the enormous weight difference, without even checking it's obvious Frazier would have a higher punch output anyway.

But I would like to be punched by one of Joe's anyday than by one of Derecks.

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Joe Frazier was better conditioned than Chisora and had achieved more than chi's will ever do.

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Joe Frazier at one point in his career had a 6-pack, meaning very little body fat.

As boxing specific conditioning goes, even with extra muscle and a bit of chub, Chisora is more conditioned than Joe ever was for boxing because of modern training.

Because of the enormous weight difference, without even checking it's obvious Frazier would have a higher punch output anyway.

But I would like to be punched by one of Joe's anyday than by one of Derecks.

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You are so wrong that I feel embarrassed for you. I would love anyone to punch you.

Forget the 6 pack and the weight look at what Joe achieved Chisora's mother would not support this argument so why are you?

Max POwer Idont really believe that you believe what you are affirming.

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Joe Frazier was better conditioned than Chisora and had achieved more than chi's will ever do.

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Joe Frazier at one point in his career had a 6-pack, meaning very little body fat.

As boxing specific conditioning goes, even with extra muscle and a bit of chub, Chisora is more conditioned than Joe ever was for boxing because of modern training.

Because of the enormous weight difference, without even checking it's obvious Frazier would have a higher punch output anyway.

But I would like to be punched by one of Joe's anyday than by one of Derecks.

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You are so wrong that I feel embarrassed for you. I would love anyone to punch you.

Forget the 6 pack and the weight look at what Joe achieved Chisora's mother would not support this argument so why are you?

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@Master I merely claimed that Chisora overall was the better conditioned boxer. I will grant you at one point in Frazier's career he appeared in shape, whereas Chisora always maintained a bit of chib but was otherwise a muscular boxer.

Joe Frazier was a shocking athlete. Frazier was one of the most abysmal at athletics.

The good news is when it comes to achievements I agree with you! Joe was a HW champion, Chisora is now a gatekeeper. Of course Frazier is greater than Chisora.

who cares if Joe was not an athlete? He was a boxer and a great champion something Chisora will never be so stop comparing the two ever!