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Nice find, I'd still go with Gayweather even though we know he is juiced but great vid you dug up.
willie pep wowQuote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Pep, Pep, and Pep
Dont know whos best, different eras different rules.
Interesting what you can do when you are relaxed and free thinking though.
Peps is like a dance flowing with the opponent then turning it around leading them into trouble.
Think Floyd is a touch more technical and practiced, less reactive, less loose with it,more systematic.
Pep isn't in Mayweather's league to be honest. Pep was a quick runner with great reflexes who could control range, but he had a lot of trouble protecting himself on the inside. Saddler got him against the ropes and brutalized him. Floyd has the runner/range controller dimension, but he also had the ability to fight in the pocket and protect himself on the inside and under pressure.
In a nutshell, Pep excelled when he could control where the fight took place, Floyd excels wherever the fight takes place.
To be honest, in terms of defensive ability I don't think Pep is in the same league as Mayweather, Whitaker or Locche. Three guys who could slip punches from any distance, from any angle, and who were never knocked out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQYeSXpC244
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G5v_PNsl4Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8aerkHG_7A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h227sP9Gc-I
Willie Pep was great, but not in the same discussion with guys who were wizards on the outside AND the inside.
I would love to see Pep defending his title in a big ring and Mayweather chasing him all around. That would school mayweather in why fans hate bicycling in the ring
Remember that Pep fought Saddler after being severly injured in a plane accident, where many felt he wasn't the same fighter ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
The answer to the question is Pep :cool:
We all know it's Mayweather.
MAX POWERISM IN ACTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
OK, I will expand for those who are not familiar with FAMOUS Max Powerism 101:
1. Bigger is better
2. Newer is bigger
3. Newer is better
Mayweather is 1) newer 2) bigger => 3) he is better!!!!!111111111111111
Objectively though, lightweight Mayweather should have won over Pep
LOL Yes but you must augment those with the term "IN GENERAL" after those points.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminMAX POWERISM IN ACTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
OK, I will expand for those who are not familiar with FAMOUS Max Powerism 101:
1. Bigger is better
2. Newer is bigger
3. Newer is better
Mayweather is 1) newer 2) bigger => 3) he is better!!!!!111111111111111
Objectively though, lightweight Mayweather should have won over Pep
Smaller fighters DO beat bigger ones, just statistically much less.
Newer fighters from respective weight categories are bigger because of modern stripping and rehydrating, changing definitions of classes and increasing size of HW's
Newer is better in general the further removed but SOME past time fighters may hold their own across a significant span.
My analysis here was in fact based quickly and resolutely on nothing more than simply watching them fight.
Mayweather is hands down the most defensive fighter of all time (or was). Beyond dispute really. And if there's any fighter I can't stand more than Ali, it's Mayweather!
SugarRay Leonard was a better defensive fighter than Mayweather. FACT.
Whitaker was brilliant at his best :)Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Willie Pep is far better than Mayweather in this aspect.
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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Also I posted this video about a month or 2 back.
Bro you either have the skills in your brain or you don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by La Cucaracha
Bernard Hopkins is 50 and was hopeless vs Kov but he was still rolling and slipping punches like a champ because thats what he does.
What, did Willie Pep forget how to defend himself in the plane crash? ;D
Mayweather all day he's the best defensive fighter there's ever been and that's why I think no one beats him ever prime for prime
People bring up guys like Pep and Benitez, and don't get me wrong they were fantastic fighters and very slick, but they were guys who needed to control range and didn't have the skills to survive on the inside, which is why they were both knocked out several times. They're not even in the same discussion, they're "honourable mentions".
Did you miss the part about Pep being seriously injured? There were fears he wouldn't walk again and if I remember correctly many thought that was the end of his career ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerBro you either have the skills in your brain or you don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by La Cucaracha
Bernard Hopkins is 50 and was hopeless vs Kov but he was still rolling and slipping punches like a champ because thats what he does.
What, did Willie Pep forget how to defend himself in the plane crash? ;D
The point was his body had been damaged and he wasn't the same fighter :-\
Pernell was the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by La CucarachaWhitaker was brilliant at his best :)Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Thanks for the links, I just mentioned Niccolino Loche as a fighter from the past who had skills. It is almost as if most of todays fight fans feel ALL fighters from the past were brutes with no skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
This is one of my favorite compilation on Loche which proves otherwise. Oh & the music score is pretty slick as well!!
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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Not sure there is a right or wrong answer. Personally I dont think Floyd survives the Pep era and I think Saddler beats him up but Saddler would not get away with his dirty tactics today. Pep was only stopped 6 times in close to 250 fights and most of those came late in his career. His peak record was 135-1-1. Floyd is fresh in peoples minds because of the now effect but go back and take a look at Benitez's career and prime prior to his road to self destruction. Every bit as good as Floyd in every measure and made his opponents pay more. He's included in this first compilation. The guy was incredible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ct2jCu7y9Y
And in part two just take a peak at how slick even Walcott was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5Pw2elzBik
And Brock we shouldn't forget this man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81non05aKX4
or even this guy. Many think George was the best ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwYnF8SWNjs
Sumbu Kalambay had great defence :cool:
I think this post from Beans can only be viewed as the utter truth and has been worded very sympathetically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Pep, Benitez and yes Sweet Pea were solid defensive fighters.
But Floyd is on another level. Floyd is possibly my most hated boxer to be honest but to deny his real quality here is pointless.
He is the best defensive fighter of all time and it isn't even close.
That is a respectable opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerI think this post from Beans can only be viewed as the utter truth and has been worded very sympathetically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Pep, Benitez and yes Sweet Pea were solid defensive fighters.
But Floyd is on another level. Floyd is possibly my most hated boxer to be honest but to deny his real quality here is pointless.
He is the best defensive fighter of all time and it isn't even close.
flicker must love the way you gurgle his nuts :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerI think this post from Beans can only be viewed as the utter truth and has been worded very sympathetically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Pep, Benitez and yes Sweet Pea were solid defensive fighters.
But Floyd is on another level. Floyd is possibly my most hated boxer to be honest but to deny his real quality here is pointless.
He is the best defensive fighter of all time and it isn't even close.
The only thing that isn't even close is you getting some pussy ;)
Ah come on, why you wanna be a bully?Quote:
Originally Posted by La Cucaracha
Blowing out Max Power's candle isn't going to make yours shine any brighter.
Stating stuff like "utter truth" is just ridiculous ;) "He is the best defensive fighter of all time and it isn't even close" :-\ come on son, trolls should stay under the bridge :pQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerAh come on, why you wanna be a bully?Quote:
Originally Posted by La Cucaracha
Blowing out Max Power's candle isn't going to make yours shine any brighter.