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There will not be a Ward fight... there may not even be a Froch fights... might never be a Chavez Jr. fight... but there certainly is a Peter Quillen fight. And at the very least, an Ande Lee showdown.
Vanes Matriyosan... Boo-Boo Andrade... just to name a few...
GGG does not have to chase Ward to be great. He is an elite fighter. He needs to just keep on beating the other best out there and let Ward come to him, and unless Ward fights, Ward may be needing GGG more than GGG needs Ward.
Greatness is decided by who you fight. Chavez does nothing for GGG but make him money. Froch is half retired. Don't get it confused GGG has never beat anyone as good as prime Kessler, prime Froch or prime Dawson. And he doesn't have anyone in his division that is as good in his division(I put in the qualifier because Cotto is as good but not as good at Middleweight). So GGG will always need Ward if he wants to prove greatness. If he wants to be famous and make money he can keep KOing inferior fighters. But to be great he has to fight a great.
No he does not at this time. Like Holmes, just cleaning stuff up is good enough for me. He does not need a Ward fight if folks had their heart set on it. He just does not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Then he won't be a great. It's really that simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaNo he does not at this time. Like Holmes, just cleaning stuff up is good enough for me. He does not need a Ward fight if folks had their heart set on it. He just does not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Sad for you, is that he probably is closer to being great than not! The Ward mystique is done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonThen he won't be a great. It's really that simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaNo he does not at this time. Like Holmes, just cleaning stuff up is good enough for me. He does not need a Ward fight if folks had their heart set on it. He just does not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
It's not sad for me. I called him the best middleweight in the world before he was a champion. His dominance of this sad division proves me right.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaSad for you, is that he probably is closer to being great than not! The Ward mystique is done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonThen he won't be a great. It's really that simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaNo he does not at this time. Like Holmes, just cleaning stuff up is good enough for me. He does not need a Ward fight if folks had their heart set on it. He just does not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
What's sad for me is I'm utterly bored with watching him beat up people that aren't on his level.
GGG is a great fighter, no doubt in my mind. I would like to see him completely clean out the division and think that with the excitement he brings and his fan friendly style he will be considered one of the greats without Ward. That being said, GGG needs to stay away from Ward. Ward has the perfect combination of speed, boxing ability, defense and just enough power to frustrate GGG with movement and break him down over 12 rounds. Prime Hop would have eaten him alive also.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Clean out the division, clean out the division, clean out the division. Someone stop this record, it's been scratched for a long time. You all realize he has been a champion for 4 years right?!
Fight a fighter on your level.
No one wants to fight. Murray reluctantly took the fight, apparently. No one aside from Ward wants the fight. But he doesn't need Ward now, because it is a wrap- he is on his way to stardom without him and in fact is already there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Think no one say Mayweather made the announcement of the Pac fight on the eve of the GGG fight, huh?? Stealing thunder much... lolol
Rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Let's forget that ward exists and steer GGG away from him and keep hyping him up like matthysse before he got outboxed like garcia.
The fact that anyone can simply ignore andre wards achievements in his young career and keep writing him off is crazy!
Andre ward is still the best fighter in the world after floyd mayweather and rather than GGG getting pressured to pick on the smaller guys he should be reaching for the top dog in the middleweight divison and that still is the inactive andre ward.
We don't want GGG vs cotto or GGG vs canelo (oscar would never allow that) we want GGG to start openly making up some noise and calling out ward for a super fight!
(At least kovalev wants to fight the best)
This is the best time to beat ward and you don't want to miss it before he starts getting active again.
Quillin avoids anyone his manager tells him to and GGG would be on top of that list.
GGG is where Sergio Martinez was a few years ago. Untouchable.
[QUOTE=Ron Swanson;1304958]Then he won't be a great. It's really that simple.[/QUOTE]Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaNo he does not at this time. Like Holmes, just cleaning stuff up is good enough for me. He does not need a Ward fight if folks had their heart set on it. He just does not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Let me define the word simple as is quoted in the Oxford dictionary .
Simple - Ron Swanson.
I'm not saying that Ward is not good or we should gloss over his achievements, but my main argument is that GGG does not need him to be a great elite fighter. He just does not. He will prove it over time and he is proving it right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by impRubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Let's forget that ward exists and steer GGG away from him and keep hyping him up like matthysse before he got outboxed like garcia.
The fact that anyone can simply ignore andre wards achievements in his young career and keep writing him off is crazy!
Andre ward is still the best fighter in the world after floyd mayweather and rather than GGG getting pressured to pick on the smaller guys he should be reaching for the top dog in the middleweight divison and that still is the inactive andre ward.
We don't want GGG vs cotto or GGG vs canelo (oscar would never allow that) we want GGG to start openly making up some noise and calling out ward for a super fight!
(At least kovalev wants to fight the best)
This is the best time to beat ward and you don't want to miss it before he starts getting active again.
Sad that we won't see that Quillin/GGG fight any time soon. It should be in discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I'm confused by how you can say that Kov is willing to fight the best but GGG isn't. Kov is in the midst of cleaning his division out and never calls Ward out or seems to want to fight him. GGG is in the midst of cleaning his division out and never calls Ward out or seems to want to fight him. Both guys r focusing on their divisions now and destroying the best available guys in those divisions willing to fight them.Quote:
Originally Posted by impRubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Let's forget that ward exists and steer GGG away from him and keep hyping him up like matthysse before he got outboxed like garcia.
The fact that anyone can simply ignore andre wards achievements in his young career and keep writing him off is crazy!
Andre ward is still the best fighter in the world after floyd mayweather and rather than GGG getting pressured to pick on the smaller guys he should be reaching for the top dog in the middleweight divison and that still is the inactive andre ward.
We don't want GGG vs cotto or GGG vs canelo (oscar would never allow that) we want GGG to start openly making up some noise and calling out ward for a super fight!
(At least kovalev wants to fight the best)
This is the best time to beat ward and you don't want to miss it before he starts getting active again.
It's quite obvious that you don't rate Murray but that in itself is laughable. Murray gave Sturm (himslef a dominant champion) all that he could handle and matched if not edged out Martinez, himself the lineal and dominant Champion, and thereby proved his credentials. Neither he or Golovkin are in the same weight class as Kessler, Froch or Dawson but they are both certainly at, or above that ability level. They never had a super six tournament to prove themselves but Murray did better against Martinez than Kessler managed against Calzaghe and Martinez refused to fight Golovkin. Dawson? Come on man. Myself , Dia Bando and a host of others here, also like you, pointed out GGG's greatness years ago, most boxing fans could see his potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
You don't often get divisions stacked with more than two or three world class operators and the middleweights are no different. If Cotto et al refuse to fight Golovkin and he does go up he should fight that Armenian bum Abraham.:p
I'm with Ring Magazine on this- Ward just has not done enough as of late to be worthy of someone wanting to call him out. It's like that good ol'e girl that sucked and swallowed and had the best pussy in the world, TEN YEARS AGO!! No one has banged the broad in over TEN YEARS, so no one knows what the pussy is like at this juncture. Thus is Ward... and she, rightfully so, does not deserve to be called the best pussy on the planet. Just a broad that was a good fuck back then, but we have no clue on how good the pussy and head game is now!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodI'm confused by how you can say that Kov is willing to fight the best but GGG isn't. Kov is in the midst of cleaning his division out and never calls Ward out or seems to want to fight him. GGG is in the midst of cleaning his division out and never calls Ward out or seems to want to fight him. Both guys r focusing on their divisions now and destroying the best available guys in those divisions willing to fight them.Quote:
Originally Posted by impRubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Let's forget that ward exists and steer GGG away from him and keep hyping him up like matthysse before he got outboxed like garcia.
The fact that anyone can simply ignore andre wards achievements in his young career and keep writing him off is crazy!
Andre ward is still the best fighter in the world after floyd mayweather and rather than GGG getting pressured to pick on the smaller guys he should be reaching for the top dog in the middleweight divison and that still is the inactive andre ward.
We don't want GGG vs cotto or GGG vs canelo (oscar would never allow that) we want GGG to start openly making up some noise and calling out ward for a super fight!
(At least kovalev wants to fight the best)
This is the best time to beat ward and you don't want to miss it before he starts getting active again.
I don't think Quillin wants any of that.
Hes clearly a great fighter. You dont rack up 30 odd wins as a pro and an amateur rec like his being shit. As for being an all time great only time will tell. He doesnt need Ward to become an all time great but he needs a lot of big career wins. His main problems are the best at 160 wont fight him. Quillin and Cotto dont want anything to do with him. That seems pretty clear. His next problem, the rest of the division is no use at the moment. Lee, Murray, Ndam, Geale etc are all decent fighters but none are near elite. In fact there is no one in the Middleweight division that he will beat that will make me think hes an all time great. Even devasting KO wins over Quillin and Cotto will not make me think that as I dont think either are that good. Quillin isnt a special fighter in my view and Cotto is no middleweight.
So he really does have to move weight classes or wait around and hope some star comes through the MW rankings. So moving down would me my choice if I was him. The elite fighters are all 147 - 154 at the moment and Alvarez at 154+ would be a good fight. As would fights against Floyd, Lara or Andrade, or even a Charlo. His problem here is I dont think any would take the fight with him.
So that leaves stepping up to 168. Chavez is big cash fight but Chavez is nothing special and at 168 youd imagine Chavez having massive weight advantage at the night. This makes the fight interesting for me but again winning it doesnt sky rocket him to ATG level. Abraham and Froch would be massive in Europe but again as both were so comfortably beat by Ward that beating them and not fighting Ward doesnt mean much to me.
So that pretty much leaves Ward (who I still have plenty of questions about). This is a fight I want to see but not at 168. Id prefer to see it at a catchweight of 164. Meet halfway and fight at a neutralish venus of Vegas or New York. Ward in my view hasnt proved himself as an all time great. Hes a terrific fighter but his career defining wins are a TD over Kesseler in a fight where the ref was shocking, a KO win over a poor weight drained Dawson and a good UD over Froch. Non of which are much more imressive then GGGs win over Murray last night imo.
We would have all aged in ten years and that pussy is still the best pussy you ever had.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaI'm with Ring Magazine on this- Ward just has not done enough as of late to be worthy of someone wanting to call him out. It's like that good ol'e girl that sucked and swallowed and had the best pussy in the world, TEN YEARS AGO!! No one has banged the broad in over TEN YEARS, so no one knows what the pussy is like at this juncture. Thus is Ward... and she, rightfully so, does not deserve to be called the best pussy on the planet. Just a broad that was a good fuck back then, but we have no clue on how good the pussy and head game is now!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodI'm confused by how you can say that Kov is willing to fight the best but GGG isn't. Kov is in the midst of cleaning his division out and never calls Ward out or seems to want to fight him. GGG is in the midst of cleaning his division out and never calls Ward out or seems to want to fight him. Both guys r focusing on their divisions now and destroying the best available guys in those divisions willing to fight them.Quote:
Originally Posted by impRubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Let's forget that ward exists and steer GGG away from him and keep hyping him up like matthysse before he got outboxed like garcia.
The fact that anyone can simply ignore andre wards achievements in his young career and keep writing him off is crazy!
Andre ward is still the best fighter in the world after floyd mayweather and rather than GGG getting pressured to pick on the smaller guys he should be reaching for the top dog in the middleweight divison and that still is the inactive andre ward.
We don't want GGG vs cotto or GGG vs canelo (oscar would never allow that) we want GGG to start openly making up some noise and calling out ward for a super fight!
(At least kovalev wants to fight the best)
This is the best time to beat ward and you don't want to miss it before he starts getting active again.
I think someone like Andrade could take GGG. A taller, rangier fighter who can get off first and keep GGG at the end of his jab, just out of reach, unable to set up to deliver his punches. GGG is very hittable. His opponents need to get off first and keep him back so he doesn't get a chance to set up.
But try it today and it may be the worst pussy you ever had.Quote:
Originally Posted by impWe would have all aged in ten years and that pussy is still the best pussy you ever had.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaI'm with Ring Magazine on this- Ward just has not done enough as of late to be worthy of someone wanting to call him out. It's like that good ol'e girl that sucked and swallowed and had the best pussy in the world, TEN YEARS AGO!! No one has banged the broad in over TEN YEARS, so no one knows what the pussy is like at this juncture. Thus is Ward... and she, rightfully so, does not deserve to be called the best pussy on the planet. Just a broad that was a good fuck back then, but we have no clue on how good the pussy and head game is now!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodI'm confused by how you can say that Kov is willing to fight the best but GGG isn't. Kov is in the midst of cleaning his division out and never calls Ward out or seems to want to fight him. GGG is in the midst of cleaning his division out and never calls Ward out or seems to want to fight him. Both guys r focusing on their divisions now and destroying the best available guys in those divisions willing to fight them.Quote:
Originally Posted by impRubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Let's forget that ward exists and steer GGG away from him and keep hyping him up like matthysse before he got outboxed like garcia.
The fact that anyone can simply ignore andre wards achievements in his young career and keep writing him off is crazy!
Andre ward is still the best fighter in the world after floyd mayweather and rather than GGG getting pressured to pick on the smaller guys he should be reaching for the top dog in the middleweight divison and that still is the inactive andre ward.
We don't want GGG vs cotto or GGG vs canelo (oscar would never allow that) we want GGG to start openly making up some noise and calling out ward for a super fight!
(At least kovalev wants to fight the best)
This is the best time to beat ward and you don't want to miss it before he starts getting active again.
He can retire as an undefeated MW with over 50 wins and 40 plus ko's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe