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Top 20 Fighters Since 1980
**Any action prior to 1980 is null and void (e.g. Duran, Arguello, Larry Holmes), but can still be rated for success from that year on..
Best I could come up with. I know I am leaving some folks out. In order:
1. Sugar Ray Leonard
2. Julio Cezar Chavez
3. Roy Jones, Jr - An awesome fighter. I don't care about his loss of reflexes lack of fundamentals to fall back on as he aged. He is an ATG.
4. Marvin Hagler
5. Lennox Lewis
6. Floyd Mayweather
7. Evander Holyfield
8. Bernard Hopkins
9. Sweet Pea
10. Thomas Hearns
11. Oscar De La Hoya
121. Marco Antonio Barrera
13. Joe Calzaghe
14. Mike Tyson
15. Roberto Duran
16. Erik Morales
17. Winky Wright
18. George Foreman
19. Shane Mosley
20. Manny Pacquiao
Felix Trinidad (bumped off)
I had a hard time coming up with any lighter guys worth mentioning for this particular era.
EDIT: I TOTALLY forgot Pernell Whitaker. I squeezed him in at 9 and knocked Tito off...
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If you need a lighter guy, Ricardo Lopez should be high on this list.
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the only guy i would for sure kick off of your list would be winky. JMM should be on there in his place. i feel like JMM is a guy that has been underrated throughout his whole career but in years to come, he will be considered equal to other mexican legends.
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is this a best to worst list?
if it is theres no way manny is down at 19
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1. SRL
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14. Duran
what planet are you living on ???!!!
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1. SRL
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14. Duran
what planet are you living on ???!!!
One of those guys stepped up and beat all of his best peers.
The other guy got outboxed, knocked senseless and quit against his best peers.
SRL > Duran
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To be fair one of those guys was smaller too. You can't ignore that.
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Mannys 5th or 6th or 7th best win was MAB
yet mab is miles higher than manny
know what i mean
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Ron Swanson
To be fair one of those guys was smaller too. You can't ignore that.
If you don't have the discipline to consistently stay in shape and keep your weight down at a point where you are most effective, that's a reflection of you as a fighter. When assessing a fighter, you have to take into account the entire package. I never seen Leonard, Hearns or Duran come in out of shape, or quit during a world title match because of tummy aches.
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Ron Swanson
To be fair one of those guys was smaller too. You can't ignore that.
If you don't have the discipline to consistently stay in shape and keep your weight down at a point where you are most effective, that's a reflection of you as a fighter. When assessing a fighter, you have to take into account the entire package. I never seen Leonard, Hearns or Duran come in out of shape, or quit during a world title match because of tummy aches.
youre just adding rules to the question
top 20 fighters thats it
not the top 20 fighters considering their whole carear or top 20 fighters who were best at staying in shape
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Ron Swanson
To be fair one of those guys was smaller too. You can't ignore that.
If you don't have the discipline to consistently stay in shape and keep your weight down at a point where you are most effective, that's a reflection of you as a fighter. When assessing a fighter, you have to take into account the entire package. I never seen Leonard, Hearns or Duran come in out of shape, or quit during a world title match because of tummy aches.
youre just adding rules to the question
top 20 fighters thats it
not the top 20 fighters considering their whole carear or top 20 fighters who were best at staying in shape
Exactly cause then you'd have to throw in Manny's constant need for an excuse (no matter how ridiculous, be it socks, gloves, shoulder, leg cramps, lucky punches, etc.) after every close fight or loss into account also
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Ron Swanson
To be fair one of those guys was smaller too. You can't ignore that.
If you don't have the discipline to consistently stay in shape and keep your weight down at a point where you are most effective, that's a reflection of you as a fighter. When assessing a fighter, you have to take into account the entire package. I never seen Leonard, Hearns or Duran come in out of shape, or quit during a world title match because of tummy aches.
youre just adding rules to the question
top 20 fighters thats it
not the top 20 fighters considering their whole carear or top 20 fighters who were best at staying in shape
Exactly cause then you'd have to throw in Manny's constant need for an excuse (no matter how ridiculous, be it socks, gloves, shoulder, leg cramps, lucky punches, etc.) after every close fight or loss into account also
fucks up with you?
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erics44
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Beanflicker
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Ron Swanson
To be fair one of those guys was smaller too. You can't ignore that.
If you don't have the discipline to consistently stay in shape and keep your weight down at a point where you are most effective, that's a reflection of you as a fighter. When assessing a fighter, you have to take into account the entire package. I never seen Leonard, Hearns or Duran come in out of shape, or quit during a world title match because of tummy aches.
youre just adding rules to the question
top 20 fighters thats it
not the top 20 fighters considering their whole carear or top 20 fighters who were best at staying in shape
Exactly cause then you'd have to throw in Manny's constant need for an excuse (no matter how ridiculous, be it socks, gloves, shoulder, leg cramps, lucky punches, etc.) after every close fight or loss into account also
fucks up with you?
just agreeing with your ass
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erics44
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erics44
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Beanflicker
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Ron Swanson
To be fair one of those guys was smaller too. You can't ignore that.
If you don't have the discipline to consistently stay in shape and keep your weight down at a point where you are most effective, that's a reflection of you as a fighter. When assessing a fighter, you have to take into account the entire package. I never seen Leonard, Hearns or Duran come in out of shape, or quit during a world title match because of tummy aches.
youre just adding rules to the question
top 20 fighters thats it
not the top 20 fighters considering their whole carear or top 20 fighters who were best at staying in shape
Exactly cause then you'd have to throw in Manny's constant need for an excuse (no matter how ridiculous, be it socks, gloves, shoulder, leg cramps, lucky punches, etc.) after every close fight or loss into account also
fucks up with you?
just agreeing with your ass
i have a fine ass
sounds like there was a bit of a whinge in your post mind you
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The OP said specifically from 1980 on so duran is low because his lightweight reign was before that.
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top 20 fighters who were best at staying in shape
I thought staying in shape and being an athlete was a big part of boxing?
So a guy who doesn't have the discipline to stay in shape can go up and quit during a super fight because of a tummy ache or get destroyed in 2 rounds and we're supposed to say "this guy is great, he wouldn't have lost those if he was in shape and fighting at his best weight". The fuck is that shit?
Beast mostly nobodies at LW, got outboxed an embarrassed on multiple occasions, VASTLY overrated.
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top 20 fighters who were best at staying in shape
I thought staying in shape and being an athlete was a big part of boxing?
So a guy who doesn't have the discipline to stay in shape can go up and quit during a super fight because of a tummy ache or get destroyed in 2 rounds and we're supposed to say "this guy is great, he wouldn't have lost those if he was in shape and fighting at his best weight". The fuck is that shit?
Beast mostly nobodies at LW, got outboxed an embarrassed on multiple occasions, VASTLY overrated.
With don't get it sorry
Hatton is one of the top 20 fighters of the last 30 years innee
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These lists are sooo subjective.
IMO Trinidad had a better career and resume than DLH.
But he's not the crossover star DLH was, so he gets bumped.
Three losses his entire career, all to ATG's.....
He bumps a few people off that list, IMO.
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With don't get it sorry
Hatton is one of the top 20 fighters of the last 30 years innee
Yeah, but the fat ugly brit managed to stay in 2 weight classes his whole career.
He was a great fighter but of course he got steamrolled by Floyd because a great Brit isn't going to beat a great American.
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These lists are sooo subjective.
IMO Trinidad had a better career and resume than DLH.
But he's not the crossover star DLH was, so he gets bumped.
Three losses his entire career, all to ATG's.....
He bumps a few people off that list, IMO.
I've always thought that tito was overrated. He was good at what he did but had a major flaw against people who could box. And de la hoya easily beat him.
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erics44
top 20 fighters who were best at staying in shape
I thought staying in shape and being an athlete was a big part of boxing?
So a guy who doesn't have the discipline to stay in shape can go up and quit during a super fight because of a tummy ache or get destroyed in 2 rounds and we're supposed to say "this guy is great, he wouldn't have lost those if he was in shape and fighting at his best weight". The fuck is that shit?
Beast mostly nobodies at LW, got outboxed an embarrassed on multiple occasions, VASTLY overrated.
What's your hate with duran? He beat some solid fighters and lightweight and beat some good fighters at higher weights. You need to realize that most of his losses were way past his prime and way above his original weight. A fighter like duran usually has tons of problems going up in weight because their power doesn't carry. It's usually easier for lighter hitters to go up because they don't rely on power. Duran still did well at higher weights and fought fighters at those weights were way better than anyone Floyd fought.
I don't see mayweather beating Leonard, hearns, or hagler. I think he has tons of trouble with Benitez too. Also, Floyd couldn't last like duran did. Floyd isn't very durable and is fortunate boxing during a time when he could fight twice a year. His hands probably wouldn't hold up otherwise. This isn't a bashing mayweather post because I think that he is a great fighter but I just think that duran is better.
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Top as in made the covers, sold the ppv and made millions? Or top as in a boxing fool who treated the ring like the study at home? ;D A few did both, good list. Maybe I'm biased with favorites but with respect I'd bump Foreman, Mosley, Calzaghe, Wright, Duran and include JMM, Lopez, McCallum, Canizales and a Toney. Though frankly with Toney I preference everything now with "if".
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Mosley...??? There is nothing good about him, he was always average, fought some bums
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With don't get it sorry
Hatton is one of the top 20 fighters of the last 30 years innee
Yeah, but the fat ugly brit managed to stay in 2 weight classes his whole career.
He was a great fighter but of course he got steamrolled by Floyd because a great Brit isn't going to beat a great American.
You use the same jokes all the time
And he got steamrolled by joe Cortez
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These lists are sooo subjective.
IMO Trinidad had a better career and resume than DLH.
But he's not the crossover star DLH was, so he gets bumped.
Three losses his entire career, all to ATG's.....
He bumps a few people off that list, IMO.
I've always thought that tito was overrated. He was good at what he did but had a major flaw against people who could box. And de la hoya easily beat him.
He lost all of 3 fights his entire career.
BHop - One of the best MW's of all time, who had been a middleweight his entire 13-year career to that point, with only a previous UD loss to RJJ marring his record. Future first-ballot HOF'er.
Winky Wright - One of the best defensive fighters of his era and another future HOF'er.
RJJ - An ATG and first-ballot HOF'er. This fight was at 170-lb, I believe, and Trinidad had no business going up that high. That didn't deter him, though. It was Trinidad's last fight.
Against people who could box? Oba Carr could box, but nobody gives him credit for it, since he lost to Trinidad. :rolleyes:
The win over DLH was controversial, but DLH threw the fight away in the last 3-4 rounds while running all over the ring. He says he thought he had the fight won.... some of us say he had tasted some of Trinidad's leather and was in no mood to trade blows late in the fight. Regardless, the decision went against him in Las Vegas, supposed homefield advantage for DLH.
He polished off five undefeated fighters (Campas, Carr, DLH, Reid, Vargas).... three of them before DLH got up enough nerve to face those same damaged opponents. Overrated?? Kind of difficult to consider a 42-3-0 (35 KO's) fighter overrated, unless he faced a lineup of bums, which seems to be the norm for some fighters nowadays. No..... I respect your opinion, but I'll hold onto mine. Trinidad's resume is above DLH's any day of the week.
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Get fat hand picking George Foreman out of that list. Have some shame.
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With don't get it sorry
Hatton is one of the top 20 fighters of the last 30 years innee
Yeah, but the fat ugly brit managed to stay in 2 weight classes his whole career.
He was a great fighter but of course he got steamrolled by Floyd because a great Brit isn't going to beat a great American.
You use the same jokes all the time
And he got steamrolled by joe Cortez
Is there an excuse you don't like?
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How the fuck is Micheal Spinks not on this list he was the undefeated lhw champ and won the hw belt only lost to Tyson. Holy shit i just wrote about the dude in another thread there a reason that Hagler stayed at mw because Spinks would of whooped his fucking ass something awful.
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How the fuck is Micheal Spinks not on this list he was the undefeated lhw champ and won the hw belt only lost to Tyson. Holy shit i just wrote about the dude in another thread there a reason that Hagler stayed at mw because Spinks would of whooped his fucking ass something awful.
Going up 2 weights, if it was now is not easy even for the great Hagler. Also the big money fights were with smaller fighters.
B Hop and GGG know. :)
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How the fuck is Micheal Spinks not on this list he was the undefeated lhw champ and won the hw belt only lost to Tyson. Holy shit i just wrote about the dude in another thread there a reason that Hagler stayed at mw because Spinks would of whooped his fucking ass something awful.
Spinks was one hell of a LHW. One of the very best ever. But no man whoops Haglers "fucking ass something awful".
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How the fuck is Micheal Spinks not on this list he was the undefeated lhw champ and won the hw belt only lost to Tyson. Holy shit i just wrote about the dude in another thread there a reason that Hagler stayed at mw because Spinks would of whooped his fucking ass something awful.
Spinks was one hell of a LHW. One of the very best ever. But no man whoops Haglers "fucking ass something awful".
May I say.
Willie 'The Worm' Monroe
Even Marvin Hagler stated that >
"Willie beat my ass in our '1st-Bout' in Philadelphia. He was the only man to beat me, in the
true sense."
"He made me eat his left-jabs all night long. And when I got close to him, 'Bam' came in his
right-hand into my jaw."
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"That is true. Marvin had 'Nowhere to Run" that night. Willie turned 'the worm' on him"
Martha and the Vandella's
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Look Marvin Hagler fighting Spinks is no different then Hagler fighting Duran, Hearns and Leonard. But Hagler wanted the money no shame in that and sorry Bill fucking Micheal Spinks would send Hagler to his grave see what Hearns did to his face Spinks would make that look like a good day for Hagler. Also when were talking chins at lhw Spinks was never even floored and he fought some big punching fuckers. Anyhow alot of the greats have moved up even Hopkins did but there was no fucking Spinks there. So i guess i let Hagler slide for not wanting to move up and take on smaller guys instead of Spinks because god knows boxing just throws you away anyhow. I just can not believe that you mention Tito and not Micheal Spinks as well Spinks on whole another level dude need go watch the 1980s if your going to make a list.
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QUOTE=Mr140;1328292]Look Marvin Hagler fighting Spinks is no different then Hagler fighting Duran, Hearns and Leonard. But Hagler wanted the money no shame in that and sorry Bill fucking Micheal Spinks would send Hagler to his grave see what Hearns did to his face Spinks would make that look like a good day for Hagler. Also when were talking chins at lhw Spinks was never even floored and he fought some big punching fuckers. Anyhow alot of the greats have moved up even Hopkins did but there was no fucking Spinks there. So i guess i let Hagler slide for not wanting to move up and take on smaller guys instead of Spinks because god knows boxing just throws you away anyhow. I just can not believe that you mention Tito and not Micheal Spinks as well Spinks on whole another level dude need go watch the 1980s if your going to make a list.[/QUOTE]
Hagler didn't move up because he was a natural middle; he weighed 156 for one of the Hamsho fights. What did Hearns do to his face? A small cut, probably caused by a head, in a spot that bleeds profusely.
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Look Marvin Hagler fighting Spinks is no different then Hagler fighting Duran, Hearns and Leonard. But Hagler wanted the money no shame in that and sorry Bill fucking Micheal Spinks would send Hagler to his grave see what Hearns did to his face Spinks would make that look like a good day for Hagler. Also when were talking chins at lhw Spinks was never even floored and he fought some big punching fuckers. Anyhow alot of the greats have moved up even Hopkins did but there was no fucking Spinks there. So i guess i let Hagler slide for not wanting to move up and take on smaller guys instead of Spinks because god knows boxing just throws you away anyhow. I just can not believe that you mention Tito and not Micheal Spinks as well Spinks on whole another level dude need go watch the 1980s if your going to make a list.
Everybody bangs the drum for a certain fighter, 140... and I guess in your case it's Michael Spinks. A dominant LHW, to be sure.... but consider that LHW has never been a "glamour" division nor one populated by enormous talent and big names the way other divisions have always been (lightweight, welter, middle, HW, for example). I've seen some of Spinks' fights. He certainly is one of the best LHW's ever. But when you factor in consistent level of opposition (not just one or two great fighters) and compare him with some of the others you'd like to remove from the list.... it just doesn't cut it. Many of those other fighters moved up 2 or more weight divisions and were successful. Spinks tried to move up one and was annihilated. Sure it was against Mike Tyson (LOL.... bad timing on his part).... but the fact remains.
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Still manged to get a hw belt against the champ it was one those fights hell call it gift but manged to do it and are you saying Tito is better then Spinks is. If not for the robbery or gift he got against Oscar he pretty much lost his super Fights pretty bad. I don't know what is worse getting knocked out or losing every round and getting knocked out. Spinks is the only undefeated Lhw champ since the division was made and having Johnson, Muhammad, Qawi and Larry Holmes i think is more then enough for top 20.
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Oh yea and people talking about moving up in weight and all this shit let me tell you if you move up to heavyweight and win belt by beating the man it different then moving few division in lower weights. Holyfeild I feel is one of the best pound for pound fighters there has ever been. I mean tell me a guy being a lhw to start and then becoming a top10 hw of all time that better to me then what Hop, Hagler, Jones, Mayweather and Pacquio did. The reason that shit exist is because smaller fighters lose to big guys and hw division champ is the man that can kick anybody ass. Holyfeild didnt need pound for pound he went form lhw to cw to one greatest hw champs of all time beating giants to do so he been out weighed for pretty much most of his career fighting way bigger guys.
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There's a handful of fighters who can replace Spinks in that list, not just Trinidad. It is what it is.
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Leonard,Lewis,Holyfeild,Mayweather,Hearns,Jones,Ty son,Holmes,Duran,Spinks,Hopkins,Hagler,Whitaker,Ch avez,Pacquio,Calzaghe,Waldimar,Marquez,Dela Hoya, Trinidad thats about the list in order i have no trouble with Tito being in there but no way i rank him higher then Spinks. Say what you want tito about the glam division or what ever but Spinks division was consider top of the crop and people gave a shit when he came on. Should look at more of his fights at the weight Spinks skills were off the charts and could ko dudes with both hands in a flash being undefeated Lhw has never happen before as champ and he held the Hw lineal championship at the same time that has never been done before either. I cut out lower weights besides Lopez because he was unbeatable and Lewis is a heavyweight that could beat anyone in the division history.