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Froch needs the rematch with ward. After the JCC Jr. thing fell through, he needs Ward.
Ward needs Froch too. Or else, he will not be back in the lights the way he could of had he not had that long layoff.
They need to hook it up. No other Super Middle fight matters.
Bottom line, if he doesn't fight and beat Ward, he'll retire as never having been "the man" in his division.
Joe Calzaghe, Ricky Hatton, Prince Naseem... all dominated their weight divisions for a time.
The fact that he isn't chomping at the bit to get at Ward says he knows that he's not going to beat him, and that's a punk move.
He'll retire having been the warrior of the division tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
It is a fight I'd like to see, if Froch was interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
I agree , if Froch is to fight again then Ward is the only fight out there.
Not Ricky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
This is the next big fight outside of Mayweather/Pac in my estimation. The reason why it has not taken steam is because we were swept up in Manny/May hysteria.
This is the opportune time to goad both of them into a big fight such as this. This can happen early next year if they want it. This can happen. Froch just needs to nut it up and Ward needs to decide if he wants to fight in England or not.
The solid money is on Ward, but you can't ever count Froch out. Especially since he has won every rematch he ever had.
A warrior would have the balls to fight Ward! Death before dishonour!Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoHe'll retire having been the warrior of the division tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
YES RICKY!Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaNot Ricky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
He whipped the #1 guy in the division, Kostya, and became the #1 himself at 140!
Kostya was on his way out at that time. Very lame. More lame than Sergioe Martinez was when he fought Cotto and we saw how much of a shape Martinez was in.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerYES RICKY!Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaNot Ricky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
He whipped the #1 guy in the division, Kostya, and became the #1 himself at 140!
If the fight doesn't come off Froch walks off into the sunset with plenty of dough in the bank and great career behind him.
Ward, whether the fight happens or not continues to be a guy that gets respect for his art but on the whole no one gives a shit about.
Hahaha maybe so, but at least he was still the #1 in that division for a while!Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaKostya was on his way out at that time. Very lame. More lame than Sergioe Martinez was when he fought Cotto and we saw how much of a shape Martinez was in.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerYES RICKY!Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaNot Ricky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
He whipped the #1 guy in the division, Kostya, and became the #1 himself at 140!
Carl Froch was the #1 at 168... never! ;D
I disagree on the Ward angle. With his talent, skills and being on the media by being a commentator, he has more upside in this second half of his career. All Ward has is GREAT options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
1. GGG if GGG wants it
2. Chavez Jr if Ward wants to move up and Chavez wants to get in shape
3. Andy Lee
4. Quillen if Quillen decides to cash out and retire
5. Chilemba if Ward wants to move up
6. Ramirez (good choice)
8. Bute if Bute can get his nuts back
9. DeGale
10. Groves
Ward has all of the playing field to review and make the right choices. He is back in the driving seat.
Maybe, maybe not, who knows how boxing will look at these two in the years to come?Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
I'm thinking the fighter who won the 'Super Six World Boxing Classic' is going to shin brighter in the long run, with him being undefeated and all.
Ward has so many options, which explains why his next fight is against Paul Smith on the black channel.
He's the B-side against Froch.
He's the B-side against GGG.
And he knows it.
@Beanflicker - i happen to disagree with you about this. Ward is arguably better than anyone Calzaghe, Hatton, or Naseem, had to face when they were in their prime in their divisions. Also, Froch already lost to him by a pretty wide decision. Maybe you disagree, but I don't think that fight was close. And he lost to Kessler in their first fight so he would have to beat Kessler in a third fight to legitimately claim to be the better man between the two of them. Froch has to settle for being the second or third best super middleweight of his day. It is what it is. However, a win over GGG wouldn't be a bad note to end his career on.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerA warrior would have the balls to fight Ward! Death before dishonour!Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoHe'll retire having been the warrior of the division tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
And for Ward, I'd prefer to see him move up a division after he has dominated super middleweight. Ward is fighting closer to the light heavyweight division than the super middleweight division in his next fight. A bigger fight than Froch for Ward is Kovalev. Ward already beat Froch - why does he need to do it again? The only fight at super middleweight that I'd like to see Ward take is DeGale.
I agree Rant, there is really nothing unfinished between them. Froch is the bigger draw, but that isn't going change if Ward beats him again is it? Ward is in the dark because of is own inactivity/promotional dispute, whoever's fault it was. He has made pretty good money for his last few fights, it's not as if the guy is blackballed or something, and he might do well with is new deal.
Call it that Floyd shit with this a-side/b-side all you want. Fact of the matter is who can kick ass? Ward is the one bonafide to bring it and can be unbeatable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
The whats and wherefores you can argue with but you can't argue with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Calzaghe obviously beats Ward like a drum and Calzaghe-Froch wouldn't be competitive. Come on guys, you've seen these fellas fight?
He only needs one fight though and then he is the a-side against anyone. Just needs activity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I agree 100% about the initial fight: I think Ward dominated and embarrassed Froch for the most part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
But great fighters are not supposed to quit. Great fighters fear no man, and losses eat away at great fighters.
When Schmelling KO'd Louis, Louis wanted to return the favour. When Ingmar knocked out Patterson, Floyd got back in there and returned the favour twice. When Ali got whipped by Frazier and Norton, he wanted to get back in there. Same thing when Leonard got whipped by Duran, ect ect ect.
Great fighters don't think "oh that guy was way better than me", they think "he was better that night, I'll make the adjustments and I'll beat his ass next time." They don't run from challenges: great fighters want to be the best, and they want to beat the guy who people consider to be the best.
Andre Ward is the best, and he already embarrassed Froch in the ring. If Carl doesn't have the itch to even the score and be the best, if he's content with being 2nd best to a guy, then he doesn't deserve to be mentioned with the best British fighters of all time. It's a punk move. I don't see how anyone could disagree.
Froch is a massive draw compared to Ward and Ward would love a big PPV event at Wembley but Froch wants nothing to do with Ward so it won't happen. Froch has also now bottled GGG according to his promoter. If Froch fights again it'll be De Gale.
Ward would be too clinical for any version of Calzaghe. If Hopkins, who is a supreme technician as well, was robbed by Calzaghe in their fight, and Ward is a much better technician on the side of a Mayweather with more punching power and engagement, then Calzaghe stands no chance against any version of Ward.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
Hopkins was not robbed, stop that nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaWard would be too clinical for any version of Calzaghe. If Hopkins, who is a supreme technician as well, was robbed by Calzaghe in their fight, and Ward is a much better technician on the side of a Mayweather with more punching power and engagement, then Calzaghe stands no chance against any version of Ward.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
Ward is the B-side on the money aspect but the A-side on everything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Ward would possibly beat froch and GGG in the same night.
Froch is a warrior and I really like him as a person, but if he avenged his loss to kessler that same warrior instinct should want to beat ward in the rematch but he knows deep down he can't do it which is a bit disappointing.. but the money has overruled everything for his last fight rather than legacy and a massive cherry on the top if he beat andre ward.
lolol... ok. It could have gone either way. B-Hop had great moments.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHopkins was not robbed, stop that nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaWard would be too clinical for any version of Calzaghe. If Hopkins, who is a supreme technician as well, was robbed by Calzaghe in their fight, and Ward is a much better technician on the side of a Mayweather with more punching power and engagement, then Calzaghe stands no chance against any version of Ward.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
I don't understand why anyone would want to see Froch fight Ward again.
Ward beat Froch easily. A comfortable win for Ward in the first fight is no grounds for a rematch. The first fight wasn't even entertaining.
People are getting a little carried away with Froch. Sure, he comes to fight and he is a warrior, but when it comes to skill, he's very limited and is never going to beat a guy like Ward in a million years.
He's had a couple of decent wins since Ward schooled him and we know he's retiring soon and we're already missing him, but let's not get carried away. This is the same Froch who looked anything but impressive against Groves and Groves is nothing to write home about.
Ward doesn't need him, he already beat his ass once, and did so clearly, he has plenty of options, GGG, Degale, Dirrel, and at 175 Pascal, Stevenson, Kovalev, Fonfara, and Chavez Jr
Froch isn't a big numbers guy anyways so it isn't as if he'd be raking in PPV buys
Froch isn't a big numbers guy?
Not even Floyd can match fighting in front of 80,000 at Wembley :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xU0byYmcqI
It takes two to tango. The A-side gets to call the shots - as your hero Floyd so strenuously exhibits. Ward, being the B-side, refused to fight in England unless it was at Wembley stadium. Which is ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by impWard is the B-side on the money aspect but the A-side on everything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Ward would possibly beat froch and GGG in the same night.
Froch is a warrior and I really like him as a person, but if he avenged his loss to kessler that same warrior instinct should want to beat ward in the rematch but he knows deep down he can't do it which is a bit disappointing.. but the money has overruled everything for his last fight rather than legacy and a massive cherry on the top if he beat andre ward.
This is a guy that is a "nobody" in America let alone the rest of the world. He's not a PPV fighter. He's not a Vegas fighter. He never leaves his home turf and gets booed to fuck in his own State.
Personally I quite like him - but that's the truth ruth.
Froch doesn't need Ward. He's earned more in his last couple of fights than Ward has his entire career.
name one big ppv he's ever headlined and sold, cause there isn't any, comparing Froch to Mayweather or Pacquiao in sales is ridiculous, cause even if they haven't fought in stadiums as big as Wembley, they do more in sales than Froch ever has, which in reality generates the biggest portion of fight salesQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Gennady Golovkin's promoter 'waiting' on Carl Froch | Boxing News | Sky Sports
apparently GGG is calling Froch out, so no need to wait on Ward for a big money fight
Froch-Groves II did a million PPVs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Now sit down, because this is going to stun you - boxing is not just an American business.
I live in Britain, and yes Froch can make a shit load of dough here, but this whole thread is irrelevant. Froch don't want Ward, he don't want Degale, he don't want GGG, all he did want was Chavez, and the only reason that fight was doable is because Chavez is Vegas and Chavez is PPV in the states, not Froch. The only reasons Froch wanted Chavez was because he wanted his name in lights and and he saw (probably rightly so,) Chavez as easy money. Despite the fact he would make more money with any of the other 3 fights. Some Warrior who'll take on anyone.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterFroch-Groves II did a million PPVs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Now sit down, because this is going to stun you - boxing is not just an American business.
But that cash cow is gone , and that means Froch is retired.
Btw, whether we like it or not, if Floyd wanted a stadium fight against Manny, that would've filled a stadium of 200,000 people! But in the states, the Money is in Vegas, not in Stadiums. The hotels and high rollers pay the big bucks, it's different there.