What are some things you shouldn't do when you jab?
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What are some things you shouldn't do when you jab?
Lifting the elbow. Leaning forward. Letting the weight ride up on the front foot. Pushing off the front foot.
When you step with the jab...the front foot hitting the floor before the fist hits the target. Not moving both feet.
Not turning your shoulder into the punch. Not turning the punch over. Short arming the punch, not driving the arm all the way out.
Trying too hard to land it, instead of seeing how the other guy opens up when he reacts to it.
Remember the bees knees which is left knee over left toe!
No. Not ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Touch of sleep
Be in the sprinters position inorder to gain full rotation of the hips including your body weight to come forward. Any other position runs the risk of telegraphing.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsooldNo. Not ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Touch of sleep
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Touch of sleepBe in the sprinters position inorder to gain full rotation of the hips including your body weight to come forward. Any other position runs the risk of telegraphing.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsooldNo. Not ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Touch of sleep
Get on a 10 speed bike and all will be revealed!;DQuote:
Originally Posted by greynotsooldNo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Touch of sleepBe in the sprinters position inorder to gain full rotation of the hips including your body weight to come forward. Any other position runs the risk of telegraphing.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsooldNo. Not ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Touch of sleep
go to a pub and play a simple game of darts.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
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Originally Posted by greynotsoold
What's wrong with pushing with the front foot? I thought that's where the power came from.
Pushing off the front foot angles the hips to the right a good position to throw the right hand.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by DouglasQuote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
What's wrong with pushing with the front foot? I thought that's where the power came from.
Yeah but dart players dont have to worry about openings on over commitment or recovery to balance or need to counter anything, some keep their arm out after the movement too and the rear leg balances them.Just wondering if you are talking about aim concerning them if not then what part; full extension?Quote:
Originally Posted by Touch of sleepgo to a pub and play a simple game of darts.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Another no no is leaving it out there. Unless in the rare case you are good enough to use it while its out there; turn that arm to face and block a counter you've called into play and then counter that. Or you have the aerial arm out there if they move or try to slip it,lower yourself behind it for disruption and search for them with it for cover or re gauging distance. Always some moment in time if you are switched on where you can bend any rules into advantage.
Understand the elasticity of a rubber band and its retraction;DQuote:
Originally Posted by AndreYeah but dart players dont have to worry about openings on over commitment or recovery to balance or need to counter anything, some keep their arm out after the movement too and the rear leg balances them.Just wondering if you are talking about aim concerning them if not then what part; full extension?Quote:
Originally Posted by Touch of sleepgo to a pub and play a simple game of darts.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Not really relevant, but not moving feet.
Most mistakes with the jab is trying to make it a power punch, or being square on.
Always remember the jab is a set-up punch it is neither heavier punch or leaves you off-balance.
Do not forget a feint is as good as a punch, so no need to punch all the time. Less action is better.
My best jab involve moving my front foot and I expend very little energy, I am never off balance and ready to throw a straight right, or if advanced a left hook off the jab as long as you move the front foot outside the opponents lead leg.
Common mistakes are trying to throw a fast punch, when you can throw a powerful punch.
Always trying to do double, triple jabs with the last punch being the most powerful, if you can not throw a triple jab without being off-balance or the last punch being powerful you are not boxing and need more practice.
Best advice is the jab is not a knock out punch so do not treat it as such
Understand Im a mod and can see all five of your other user names and prior history which adds up to exact reason you choose answer this way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Touch of sleepUnderstand the elasticity of a rubber band and its retraction;DQuote:
Originally Posted by AndreYeah but dart players dont have to worry about openings on over commitment or recovery to balance or need to counter anything, some keep their arm out after the movement too and the rear leg balances them.Just wondering if you are talking about aim concerning them if not then what part; full extension?Quote:
Originally Posted by Touch of sleepgo to a pub and play a simple game of darts.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Your future is in your hands here.
LolQuote:
Originally Posted by AndreUnderstand Im a mod and can see all five of your other user names and prior history which adds up to exact reason you choose answer this way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Touch of sleepUnderstand the elasticity of a rubber band and its retraction;DQuote:
Originally Posted by AndreYeah but dart players dont have to worry about openings on over commitment or recovery to balance or need to counter anything, some keep their arm out after the movement too and the rear leg balances them.Just wondering if you are talking about aim concerning them if not then what part; full extension?Quote:
Originally Posted by Touch of sleepgo to a pub and play a simple game of darts.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Your future is in your hands here.
Look Charley, its best to keep a ClosedGuard while Harry potter is in a full Sprint or you could experience a Touch of sleep.
In case nobody realized, you're all being trolled by the guy imitating scrap.
Didn't see this before making my post. It's sad how obvious it is every time this guy does this, and how much time he's spent doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreUnderstand Im a mod and can see all five of your other user names and prior history which adds up to exact reason you choose answer this way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Touch of sleepUnderstand the elasticity of a rubber band and its retraction;DQuote:
Originally Posted by AndreYeah but dart players dont have to worry about openings on over commitment or recovery to balance or need to counter anything, some keep their arm out after the movement too and the rear leg balances them.Just wondering if you are talking about aim concerning them if not then what part; full extension?Quote:
Originally Posted by Touch of sleepgo to a pub and play a simple game of darts.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Your future is in your hands here.
Greys got it spot on. If using full extension and shoulder touching chin, plus in balance, thats it. By leaning onto the front foot to get more distance, you dont the head goes forward with the punch. Leaving you open to counters, of balance with your chin nearer his fist.
Coach, it's the first time I post something here, but I have been roaming these forums for some years now, and have learned a great deal and new perspectives from your posts and videos. I would like to ask you, is there any way I could contact you personally? I cannot PM you because I have to have over 25 posts to do that. Thing is, it happens that I am in the UK at the moment and I don't know when I'll have again this opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
Thanks in advance,
Filotas
Ha. You must be the same as me mate ,come in and read from the latest post upwards,I think we all do at times. That same issue starting me thinking a few arguments probably occur inside on the deeper boards that have longer threads when people do exactly that and get a hold of the wrong end of the stick from the start. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jmsDidn't see this before making my post. It's sad how obvious it is every time this guy does this, and how much time he's spent doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreUnderstand Im a mod and can see all five of your other user names and prior history which adds up to exact reason you choose answer this way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Touch of sleepUnderstand the elasticity of a rubber band and its retraction;DQuote:
Originally Posted by AndreYeah but dart players dont have to worry about openings on over commitment or recovery to balance or need to counter anything, some keep their arm out after the movement too and the rear leg balances them.Just wondering if you are talking about aim concerning them if not then what part; full extension?Quote:
Originally Posted by Touch of sleepgo to a pub and play a simple game of darts.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Your future is in your hands here.
@ScrapQuote:
Originally Posted by ditsiousCoach, it's the first time I post something here, but I have been roaming these forums for some years now, and have learned a great deal and new perspectives from your posts and videos. I would like to ask you, is there any way I could contact you personally? I cannot PM you because I have to have over 25 posts to do that. Thing is, it happens that I am in the UK at the moment and I don't know when I'll have again this opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
Thanks in advance,
Filotas
@Scrap: Hi again coach. Thanks for the reply. Sent you a message at FB, but the darn thing probably filters it and saves it to "Other" rather than your Inbox. Please look it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
@Andre: I am aware that I somewhat bend the rules of the forums with these posts. Thanks for the understanding. Any chance of somehow allowing me to send PM in Saddo Boxing?
no problem.
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I didnt know you couldnt private message mate, I get them from people who havent been here long what does it say? I'll try to look into it but Im not the owner of the site and havent got those controls myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by ditsious@Scrap: Hi again coach. Thanks for the reply. Sent you a message at FB, but the darn thing probably filters it and saves it to "Other" rather than your Inbox. Please look it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
@Andre: I am aware that I somewhat bend the rules of the forums with these posts. Thanks for the understanding. Any chance of somehow allowing me to send PM in Saddo Boxing?
thats the way archie moore threw the jab. he was asked in an interview leading into his fight with rocky marciano does the power of a jab come from pushing off of the back foot and he said in no uncertain terms that this is wrong and that the jab must be thrown from the front foot. he said that in boxing the front foot is the key and that everything you do in boxing is to be done around it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
archie moore is an interesting fighter. he does everything from the front foot leaning in and sending body weight over it. i think that by leaning in toward punches you shorten where the punches are going to go thereby giving you a lot of room to pull away from where you just set that punch to go. moore does this a lot. i think it was why he was hard to hit. he gives you a target. he takes it away. he already knows where your punch is going to go because he made it go there.
i think he threw jabs from the front foot because he always wanted to have body weight over the front foot. he wanted body weight to be over the front foot because he pushed off of it to pull back and away. that is to say that he would be leaning in and sending body weight over the front foot to shorten your punches and then push off of it to pull back and away to make you miss. floyd mayweather fights this way when he is sending his body weight over his front foot and leaning in then pushing off of it and pulling back and away to throw his pull counter. its the same thing those two are doing.
is archie moore wrong? your point that by jabbing from the front foot you throw your body forward into counters is true. you leave out that by jabbing from the front foot you can't send your body weight from back foot to front foot when you throw a right hand because your body weight starts out already on the front foot. rocky marciano was good at throwing a right hand because he fought from a stance that would have his body weight over his back foot. i think that is why he jabbed by pushing off of the back foot too. that is to say that he had to jab this way to throw the right hand the way he needed to throw it for the style he wanted to have to work the way he wanted it to work. i think the same thing is true for moore.
Interesting, every fighter that beat Moore boxed of there back foot, plus He got beat a lot Charles, Burley to name two. I think today we understand the bodys mechanics a bit better. Having said that dont think Boxing techniques have improved, lots of reasons for that. one reason is understanding what moves you and why. Answer what moves you is your environment, in boxing its the floor, basic newtons law. why the body moves is to take the head where it wants to go, not the other way round, Mayweather, does it superbly. So has great propreioceptive ability. Interesting post.
A lot of fighters do things in a less than optimum way. I wonder if, when he was young and had good legs, Moore felt the same way? Terry Norris, when he lost some of his legs, got real front foot heavy.
archie moore vs rocky marciano is a really interesting fight. moore is leaning in to marciano with body weight over his front foot and marciano is leaning away from moore with body weight over his back foot. to hit moore, marciano must shorten his punches thereby creating a lot of space for moore to use escapology and pull back and away to safety, and to hit marciano, moore must over extend his punches to overcompensate for the extra space that marciano is creating by leaning away. this makes sense to me and i dont think moore is any wronger than marciano or marciano any wronger than moore.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
floyd mayweather is very front foot heavy when he jabs. but he is hard to counter when he jabs because by having body weight over his front foot he can always push off of it, thereby stepping away and moving out of range from punches at any time. that is to say that because when mayweather throws a jab it is from his front foot, he can push off of it at any time, stepping away from any counter even when a jab is just half way out. he can always choose to push off of his front foot and to move out of range, stepping away from your counter.
i think this is why fighters jab from the front foot. i think this is why archie moore threw jabs from the front foot and it is something that is congruous with his greater philosophy of escapology in general. that is to say that it would not make sense for a fighter like moore to jab pushing off of his back foot the way it makes sense for a fighter like rocky marciano to. moore is different, but i dont think that being different means that he is wrong.
I haven't seen Moore v Marciano in ages but, from what you describe, I can see what he is trying to do. And you are spot on when you say that it is easier to anticipate and counter when you make him throw the punch you want. Personally I think you can do the same thing by stepping with the left foot only as you jab, then stepping back. But Moore was in the ring and I would never dare to question his tactics. Do you know if he fought Durelle, or anybody else, that way?
One of my closest friends has sparred many rounds with Mayweather and we have talked about this often. He rock's up on the jab, which stops the guy over there, you know? Then he rock's back to his right foot, creating distance and leaving him ready to land the right when you try to close. My thought is that you need to time his jab with your own, his rock forward with a push off. You land a jarring punch or you close on him as he rock's back; as you slip his jab you take your head away from his right and control his left shoulder.
My friend pointed out that,1, Floyd plots each move well in advance,2, when you do outsmart him he is very fast and elusive and,3, it is very difficult to fool him the same way twice.
You are dead right when you say that there is more than one way to do things. Ultimately the 'right' way is the one that works. When you are teaching it to somebody starting out, you teach to an ideal. As the boxer gains experience he developed ways of doing things based on his strengths and weaknesses. As his trainer you have to observe this, keep working on weaknesses so they don't become limitations, and help him learn his style.
I don't feel comfortable, in many situations, working with an experienced fighter until I see him in the ring. Then I can get a feel for what he is trying to do And how he is looking to do it. Then I can tighten his footwork, work on his right hand, or, most important, talk strategy.
If that makes sense.
Spot on, Greys.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Kenny Weldon? Spot on GreynotsooldQuote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
i know that archie moore was taught how to do a cross arm defense by a heavyweight named monroe harrison, who was a sparring partner for joe louis, before moore turned pro. when you see moore doing this in a fight he has his body weight over his front foot. i would say that moore was probably fighting from a stance that would have his body weight over his front foot when he started boxing or at least by the time that he encountered harrison. moore said that harrison was the greatest teacher he ever had in boxing and it was harrison who taught him his defensive techniques. moore said harrison rarely ever took a punch and didnt have a scar on him. thats not bad for a fighter that, like moore, was probably throwing jabs from his front foot. i think moore does do at least one thing from his back foot. when you throw a right hand at moore, he rocks from front foot to back foot, the way that your friend has described mayweather to rock from front foot to back foot, to take your right hand on his shoulder. i don't know when this move started being called a shoulder roll. bill miller called this move a twist. i like the way miller describes it. i think that way makes more sense. i think most boxing fans think floyd mayweather invented this move, or maybe george benton, but it is a move that has probably always existed in boxing, like the way that jabs and right hands have always existed in boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
the way that your friend is describing floyd mayweather sounds about right to me. he does not want to hit you with his jab so much as he wants to just hang you out on the end of it and then steal you as you try coming in. this is poison for a lot of fighters because they dont know how to get past his jab, and because they cant get past his jab, they cant do anything.
i think its hard to counter his jab because of the way he jabs from his front foot. when you try to counter it, he pushes off of his front foot, moving out of the way very suddenly. you know that he has pushed off of his front foot by the way his body twists and jerks away from a punch like a fish jumping out of the water. it is a very violent and sudden movement because of the force that can be created by pushing off of the front foot. it throws your entire body out of the way. this move is not exclusive to floyd mayweather. muhammad ali would do it constantly because of the way he fought with his body weight always over his front foot. when you would throw a punch at ali he would push off of it and move out of the way very suddenly with the same violent, twisting, jerking movement that floyd is doing.
when fighters try to jab with floyd mayweather you start to see this movement a lot. mayweather is setting up his pull counter which he throws from the same motion. that is to say that every time he pushes off of his front foot to get away from your jab, he can steal you with a right hand from the same motion, making a fighter become very tenative to continue to jab with mayweather because you are now always risking being hit by a pull counter. when carlos baldomir fought mayweather he countered it in the second round by throwing a jab, thereby creating a pull counter with it, and countering the pull counter he had just created with a right hand, with the motion of his right hand naturally slipping the pull counter he created through the space that he has next to his right ear and over his right shoulder. this punch stunned mayweather. when marcos maidana fought mayweather he countered it the same way baldomir countered it at the end of the third round of their rematch by creating a pull counter with a jab and countering it with a right hand, with the motion of his right hand naturally slipping it through the space that he has next to his right ear and over his right shoulder. this punch hurt mayweather but the round ends in the nick of time for mayweather and to the misfortune of maidana.
this is one of the ways that mayweather can be hit and i think a fighter that is going to fight mayweather should know it intimately. but this is hard to do, because for every pull counter that you create with your jab to counter with your right hand, there are many more times that you would only make mayweather push off of his front foot to safety with no pull counter to accompany it, and for every ten jabs you throw you may only ever make mayweather throw just one pull counter, therefore devolving your endeavor into a game of chance.
i think a good way to try to get past his jab would be to get your body weight over your back foot and to lean down and away from it. this would force mayweather to over extend his jab to hit you to overcompensate for the extra space that you are creating by leaning away from it and to jab down at you to do it. that is to say that you want to force mayweather to be coming in to you to jab. when mayweather is coming in to jab, you come over it with a counter right hand, sending your body weight from back foot to front foot, and slipping his jab through the space that you have next to your right ear and over your right shoulder in one smooth motion. your body weight is now going to be over your front foot loading that body weight into a left hook. this would do two things. it can reset your body back to your stance (emmanuel steward called this a clean up left hook because of the way it can be used to reset your body back to your stance when you have just thrown a right hand) and it would be scored as 2 punches to mayweather's 1 jab. you may not have hit mayweather but you would have just won this exchange in this part of the round. continue to repeat this 2 for 1 exchange again and again enough times and you would have won the round. continue to repeat these kinds of rounds enough times and you would win the fight. that is the way dwight muhammad qawi won a lot of rounds and the way he won a lot of fights.
there is one more thing. when you throw a right hand at mayweather and he takes it on his shoulder and comes back with a right uppercut, remember to throw your left hook under it to his body. that was how antonio margarito knocked out kermit cintron.
Isn't that the basics of Philly shell fighting with the weight over the lead foot then pushing backwards and rolling the left shoulder towards the rear foot. Roy Jones was a master of this technique with his weight over his right leg allowed him to throw a solid right hand and transferring his weight over his left foot gave leverage for a big left hook. Also hitting with movement is done off the front foot what Moore called the locks. moore circled left simultaneously as he threw the LH and circled right as he threw the right uppercut. Moore later taught George Foreman to hit with movement later George said never to stand in front of the puncher. George threw thunderous body shots off the left foot. The sequence went two body's hots off the front foot followed by the weight going over the right foot to throw a right handed body shot then casting the weight over the left foot. This couldn't have been accomplished off the back foot. Ali threw his famous right handed jab off the left foot. Like Moore, Ali said that everything originates from the front foot. Dempsey was adamant that footwork start with the weight over the front foot and Dempsey like Ali had great mobility see his book. Mike MacCullum another fast footed fighter stole with his weight over the front foot. He later taught coach Louie Raposo that inorder to move in all 4 positions one's body weight must over the front foot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuzoi know that archie moore was taught how to do a cross arm defense by a heavyweight named monroe harrison, who was a sparring partner for joe louis, before moore turned pro. when you see moore doing this in a fight he has his body weight over his front foot. i would say that moore was probably fighting from a stance that would have his body weight over his front foot when he started boxing or at least by the time that he encountered harrison. moore said that harrison was the greatest teacher he ever had in boxing and it was harrison who taught him his defensive techniques. moore said harrison rarely ever took a punch and didnt have a scar on him. thats not bad for a fighter that, like moore, was probably throwing jabs from his front foot. i think moore does do at least one thing from his back foot. when you throw a right hand at moore, he rocks from front foot to back foot, the way that your friend has described mayweather to rock from front foot to back foot, to take your right hand on his shoulder. i don't know when this move started being called a shoulder roll. bill miller called this move a twist. i like the way miller describes it. i think that way makes more sense. i think most boxing fans think floyd mayweather invented this move, or maybe george benton, but it is a move that has probably always existed in boxing, like the way that jabs and right hands have always existed in boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
the way that your friend is describing floyd mayweather sounds about right to me. he does not want to hit you with his jab so much as he wants to just hang you out on the end of it and then steal you as you try coming in. this is poison for a lot of fighters because they dont know how to get past his jab, and because they cant get past his jab, they cant do anything.
i think its hard to counter his jab because of the way he jabs from his front foot. when you try to counter it, he pushes off of his front foot, moving out of the way very suddenly. you know that he has pushed off of his front foot by the way his body twists and jerks away from a punch like a fish jumping out of the water. it is a very violent and sudden movement because of the force that can be created by pushing off of the front foot. it throws your entire body out of the way. this move is not exclusive to floyd mayweather. muhammad ali would do it constantly because of the way he fought with his body weight always over his front foot. when you would throw a punch at ali he would push off of it and move out of the way very suddenly with the same violent, twisting, jerking movement that floyd is doing.
when fighters try to jab with floyd mayweather you start to see this movement a lot. mayweather is setting up his pull counter which he throws from the same motion. that is to say that every time floyd pushes off of his front foot to get away from your jab, he can steal you with a right hand from the same motion, making a fighter become very tenative to continue to jab with mayweather because you are now always risking being hit by a pull counter. when carlos baldomir fought mayweather he countered it in the second round by throwing a jab, thereby creating a pull counter with it, and countering the pull counter he had just created with a right hand, with the motion of his right hand naturally slipping the pull counter he created through the space that he has next to his right ear and over his right shoulder. this punch stunned mayweather. when marcos maidana fought mayweather he countered it the same way baldomir countered it at the end of the third round of their rematch by creating a pull counter with a jab and countering it with a right hand, with the motion of his right hand naturally slipping it through the space that he has next to his right ear and over his right shoulder. this punch hurt mayweather but the round ends in the nick of time for mayweather and to the misfortune of maidana.
this is one of the ways that mayweather can be hit and i think a fighter that is going to fight mayweather should know it intimately. but this is hard to do, because for every pull counter that you create with your jab to counter with your right hand, there are many more times that you would only make mayweather push off of his front foot to safety with no pull counter to accompany it, and for every ten jabs you throw you may only ever make mayweather throw just one pull counter, therefore devolving your endeavor into a game of chance.
i think a good way to try to get past his jab would be to get your body weight over your back foot and to lean down and away from it. this would force mayweather to over extend his jab to hit you to overcompensate for the extra space that you are creating by leaning away from it and to jab down at you to do it. that is to say that you want to force mayweather to be coming in to you to jab. when mayweather is coming in to jab, you come over it with a counter right hand, sending your body weight from back foot to front foot, and slipping his jab through the space that you have next to your right ear and over your right shoulder in one smooth motion. your body weight is now going to be over your front foot loading that body weight into a left hook. this would do two things. it can reset your body back to your stance (emmanuel steward called this a clean up left hook because of the way it can be used to reset your body back to your stance when you have just thrown a right hand) and it would be scored as two punches to mayweather's one jab. you may not have hit mayweather but you would have just won this exchange in this part of the round. continue to repeat this kind of exchange again and again enough times and you would have won the round. continue to repeat these kinds of rounds enough times and you would win the fight. that is the way dwight muhammad qawi won a lot of rounds and the way he won a lot of fights.
there is one more thing. when you throw a right hand at mayweather and he takes it on his shoulder and comes back with a right uppercut, remember to throw you left hook under it to his body. that was how antonio margarito knocked out kermit cintron.
i think what you need to think about when you try to take a right hand on your shoulder is getting hit high on your head because you can twist your hips and bring your shoulder out in front of your jaw but you can't twist your hips and cover your head anywhere above that. thats why you don't just twist your hips you lean back and away which is going to naturally send your body weight over your back foot. that is to say that you twist your hips to bring your shoulder out in front of your jaw and you lean back and away to take away right hands high on your head. you combine these two. archie moore fought from a stance where he would be leaning in, and when he would take a right hand on his shoulder, the right hand would miss bad because by leaning in he could shorten where a punch was going to go, and he would just lean back and away from it. i think thats pretty smart.Quote:
Originally Posted by red fox
a lot of fighters throw left hooks from the front foot. i think thats a good way to do it because you can push off of your front foot. but i think you should try to send that body weight from front foot to back foot, or from left foot to right foot. you get good follow through that way. a lot of fighters throw a left hook from the front/left foot, but not a lot of fighters end a left hook on the back/right foot, and because they don't, they don't get good follow through.
i don't think everything should be done from the front foot. but i can understand why some fighters try to do some things from it.
Yes mayweather could fight either that's a sign of a good fighter to have the ability to rock back and forth plus I agree about leaning in to shorten the punch that's smart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuzoi think what you need to think about when you try to take a right hand on your shoulder is getting hit high on your head because you can twist your hips and bring your shoulder out in front of your jaw but you can't twist your hips and cover your head anywhere above that. thats why you don't just twist your hips you lean back and away which is going to naturally send your body weight over your back foot. that is to say that you twist your hips to bring your shoulder out in front of your jaw and you lean back and away to take away right hands high on your head. you combine these two. archie moore fought from a stance where he would be leaning in, and when he would take a right hand on his shoulder, the right hand would miss bad because by leaning in he could shorten where a punch was going to go, and he would just lean back and away from it. i think thats pretty smart.Quote:
Originally Posted by red fox
a lot of fighters throw left hooks from the front foot. i think thats a good way to do it because you can push off of your front foot. but i think you should try to send that body weight from front foot to back foot, or from left foot to right foot. you get good follow through that way. a lot of fighters throw a left hook from the front/left foot, but not a lot of fighters end a left hook on the back/right foot, and because they don't, they don't get good follow through.
i don't think everything should be done from the front foot. but i can understand why some fighters try to do some things from it.
Greys I think when your leaning back on the right foot there's tension on the body to maintain balance.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsooldNo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Touch of sleepBe in the sprinters position inorder to gain full rotation of the hips including your body weight to come forward. Any other position runs the risk of telegraphing.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsooldNo. Not ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Touch of sleep
You don't lean back. The weight is evenly distributed. I favor a slight imbalance to the rear; Napoles is myQuote:
Originally Posted by red foxGreys I think when your leaning back on the right foot there's tension on the body to maintain balance.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsooldNo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Touch of sleepBe in the sprinters position inorder to gain full rotation of the hips including your body weight to come forward. Any other position runs the risk of telegraphing.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsooldNo. Not ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Touch of sleep
current favorite and he shaded his weight up front.
When you do 'lean' back, you are only turning your weight back over that leg. Like you would if you had thrown a hook, which sets up a right hand.
You guys have some long posts. I am going to have time tomorrow and I will address them.
Think what is being said is that when the front knees is over the toe the upper body is relaxed and the knees are full it's a 100% power stance linking from top to bottom since the elbows are harmonized with the knees While pulling the shoulder back would result in 50% less power and calorie burning just trying to maintain balance since the big muscle contraction is weak including the balance and structure the result is struggling. This is why Moore said everything restarts with the weight over the front.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsooldNo. Not ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Touch of sleep