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Look how many weight classes great fighters like Floyd Mayweather and Roberto Duran for example and Oscar dela Hoya moved up through. Look at Roy Jones Jr who fought heavyweight. Tommy Hearns and Sugar Ray Leonard. Great fighters superstars have to prove themselves not only for the sake of their own self realization but for the excitement of the sport and the fans.
There is no such thing as an 'all time great'; no one was suggesting Duran for instance was great a century ago...
Thinly veiled dig at Rocky Marciano again. Stop it, Brock.
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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Had Marciano fought today he'd be a cruiserweight, how's that for a step up ;D Granted he'd demolish Glowaki and Lebedev and have BJ Flores serving him drinks at the weigh in.
IneverdigatMarcianoQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Since this is a dig at GGG Brock , then here is an ATG who didn't move up - Marvin Hagler who was a great MW. ;)
True. But I said "most" not "all".Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
He should be given the opportunity to unify and become undisputed middleweight champion just like those other guys did. He should also be commended for wanting that goal. Shame Don King does not own all the players like he did for the Hopkins run to be undisputed. Its also a sad testimony for this era that all of these pretenders get to pretend and make millions while the real deal composts. Same with Stevenson. The Kovalev fight ought to be forced on both of them.
Yes, most of the top P4P fighters of all time won titles in more than one weight class. That's what P4P is, who's the best regardless of weight.
Another one would be Willie Pep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
[QUOTE=VG_Addict;1356182]Another one would be Willie Pep.[/QUOTEQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Two more would be Aaron Pryor and Kostya Tszyu. Some fighters find that their body type and fighting style mesh perfectly at one particular weight and stay there. I don't necessarily agree that ATGs have to move up in weight to prove anything.
Pryor did move up though. Some suggest he peaked as a Lightweight before finally getting shot at the title when he moved up.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodTwo more would be Aaron Pryor and Kostya Tszyu. Some fighters find that their body type and fighting style mesh perfectly at one particular weight and stay there. I don't necessarily agree that ATGs have to move up in weight to prove anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_AddictAnother one would be Willie Pep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
ExactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by BritkidPryor did move up though. Some suggest he peaked as a Lightweight before finally getting shot at the title when he moved up.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodTwo more would be Aaron Pryor and Kostya Tszyu. Some fighters find that their body type and fighting style mesh perfectly at one particular weight and stay there. I don't necessarily agree that ATGs have to move up in weight to prove anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_AddictAnother one would be Willie Pep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Pryor is known and ranked for his work at 140. If I'm not mistaken, GGG ahead his first few fights at 154, so by your logic he had moved up already. Point is, if he destroys everyone and completely cleans out his division, that is enough for ATG status. Same with Hagler, Tyson, Louis, Pep...etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidPryor did move up though. Some suggest he peaked as a Lightweight before finally getting shot at the title when he moved up.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodTwo more would be Aaron Pryor and Kostya Tszyu. Some fighters find that their body type and fighting style mesh perfectly at one particular weight and stay there. I don't necessarily agree that ATGs have to move up in weight to prove anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_AddictAnother one would be Willie Pep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
But the difference is Pryor worked at Lightweight for three years. He was avoided so moved up and got his shot because of his top 10 ranking at Lightweight. Golovkin has made his name thus far as a Middleweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodPryor is known and ranked for his work at 140. If I'm not mistaken, GGG ahead his first few fights at 154, so by your logic he had moved up already. Point is, if he destroys everyone and completely cleans out his division, that is enough for ATG status. Same with Hagler, Tyson, Louis, Pep...etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by BritkidPryor did move up though. Some suggest he peaked as a Lightweight before finally getting shot at the title when he moved up.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodTwo more would be Aaron Pryor and Kostya Tszyu. Some fighters find that their body type and fighting style mesh perfectly at one particular weight and stay there. I don't necessarily agree that ATGs have to move up in weight to prove anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_AddictAnother one would be Willie Pep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Pryor's career at Lightweight adds to his legacy. As mentioned some believe he peaked as a 135lber he was that good...
Hank Armstrong
GGG is an overhyped untested charlatan. It's easy to knock people out when they work they are cowering in the corner in a defensive posture already three quarters psychologically beaten
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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
LOL..... you know I love ya, Brock.
But your hate for GGG comes out of your pores. ;D
IMO, GGG is neither the overhyped untested charlatan you say he is..... nor the second coming as some on here claim he is. He is a very good, unbeaten MW, with some big fights ahead of him. He's ducked no one that I know of..... takes on all comers.... and is a welcome sight away from Floyd and his boring style. He's by no means done yet.... and it remains to be seen how he'll do against the very elite competition (if it ever comes to pass).
Te quiero mucho tambien hermano mio. Te juro que no es odio y no es rancor....es que quiero knockearlo a ese tipo mi mismo. Pero tengo 51.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
LOL..... you know I love ya, Brock.
But your hate for GGG comes out of your pores. ;D
IMO, GGG is neither the overhyped untested charlatan you say he is..... nor the second coming as some on here claim he is. He is a very good, unbeaten MW, with some big fights ahead of him. He's ducked no one that I know of..... takes on all comers.... and is a welcome sight away from Floyd and his boring style. He's by no means done yet.... and it remains to be seen how he'll do against the very elite competition (if it ever comes to pass).
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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustte quiero mucho tambien hermano mio. Te juro que no es odio y no es rancor....es que quiero knockearlo a ese tipo mi mismo. Pero tengo 51.Quote:
Originally Posted by titofanQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
lol..... You know i love ya, brock.
But your hate for ggg comes out of your pores. ;d
imo, ggg is neither the overhyped untested charlatan you say he is..... Nor the second coming as some on here claim he is. He is a very good, unbeaten mw, with some big fights ahead of him. He's ducked no one that i know of..... Takes on all comers.... And is a welcome sight away from floyd and his boring style. He's by no means done yet.... And it remains to be seen how he'll do against the very elite competition (if it ever comes to pass).
;d ;d