Floyd claims that if it were not for the weight difference GGG would be "easy work"

He views him as “straight up and down, no special effects” fighter.

(warning first 8 seconds are Johnny Nelson so you may need three cans of Red Bull to get through them)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4kGw8q_Pds

Former pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather Jr claimed he would have made “easy work” of unified middleweight titlist Gennady Golovkin at 160 pounds if a fight had happened before his retirement.
Mayweather has never fought at 160 pounds in his illustrious boxing career, but “Pretty Boy” is confident that he could defeat Golovkin, whom he described as a “straight up and down, no special effects” fighter.
“I can barely make 147, so how can I fight at 160,” Mayweather told “Triple G, I mean, not being disrespectful, but he’s straight up and down, no special effects. That’s easy work…with the Pacquiao fight, you know, 10 rounds to 2, that was a blowout.”... Gennady Golovkin would be easy fight: Floyd Mayweather

For sure! TBE!

Who cares ?

If there wasn't such a weight difference, Floyd is probably right. But there is such a weight difference , so that's why the fight never happened, and that's fine.
But you're retired. Don't start sounding like Carl Froch, you don't need to. I know he was merely answering a question , but really there's no need.
And wtf is Johnny Nelson trying to be? Some sort of gangsta! :rolleyes:

4 cans at least.

Floyd would beat GGG at a catchweight quite easily and it would be called another boring fight.

Floyd is tiny and has no place at 160.

The truth is that after garcia next fight in summer he will be floyds dance partner (if successful) in September...and finally floyd can close the curtain.

Duran had no place at 160 either. Instead of running his mouth, he fought Marvin Hagler.

He could say that a bout a whole lot of guys. I've always felt that the difference between welter and middle is immense, and that's sort of where the trade off between dexterity and strength starts to tell more than in any other weight gap, it really separates big from small men.

as much as I dislike Floyd, I still must admit he is right, GGG is kinda slow

........ and Naz would still be a featherweight champ and James toney would still be a middle weight champ if it wasn't for the hamburgers...

He can barely make 147 but wouldn't weigh in on fight night and needed an IV to re-hydrate at 147 for the pac fight? :rolleyes:

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Duran had no place at 160 either. Instead of running his mouth, he fought Marvin Hagler.

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You can add Armstrong, Gavilan and Napoles. They all started around Featherweight but challenged themselves at 160.

Floyd vs GGG was a fight I wanted to see. Unfortunately I doubt it ever will. Floyd stirring the medias attention.

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Duran had no place at 160 either. Instead of running his mouth, he fought Marvin Hagler.

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Duran has no place being mentioned at all after that no mas faggot shit

Floyd is TBE.

Armstrong fought a bunch of bums and the highest he weighed was 146... Your lies are pathetic!

I think Floyd has a valid point here.

eg I always felt that Dave Macauley would have beaten Lennox Lewis in his prime if not for Lennox weight advantage

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Floyd is TBE.

Armstrong fought a bunch of bums and the highest he weighed was 146... Your lies are pathetic!

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He fought Cerefino Garcia for the middleweight title and was robbed on a highly disputed draw. Hard for me to take you seriously if you are calling guys like Garcia, Ray Robinson, and Benny Leonard "bums".

I would really like to see Floyd come out of retirement and fight GGG. I feel like it's a winnable fight for Floyd, but an extremely dangerous challenge. If afloyd were to come back and beat GGG he would easily be in my top 3-4 all time greatest fighter list. I don't blame Floyd if he doesn't come back against GGG, because the size differential is so significant.

Mayweather Jr is right, but he could have said that same about Wladimir Klitschko too, so ultimately, it's a meaningless statement.

I bet Floyd still tries to fight the winner Canelo v Khan for the middleweight title. He is a scum bag if he tries to sell that fight.

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Floyd is TBE.

Armstrong fought a bunch of bums and the highest he weighed was 146... Your lies are pathetic!

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He fought Cerefino Garcia for the middleweight title and was robbed on a highly disputed draw. Hard for me to take you seriously if you are calling guys like Garcia, Ray Robinson, and Benny Leonard "bums".

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Those guy weren't bums but look at his other opponents. Utter garbage many of them!

Also... his middleweight fight was him weighing 142 vs Ceferino Garcia weighing 153.5 -- doesn't really compare to facing GGG who would weigh in at 170+ on fight night.

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Floyd is TBE.

Armstrong fought a bunch of bums and the highest he weighed was 146... Your lies are pathetic!

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He fought Cerefino Garcia for the middleweight title and was robbed on a highly disputed draw. Hard for me to take you seriously if you are calling guys like Garcia, Ray Robinson, and Benny Leonard "bums".

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Those guy weren't bums but look at his other opponents. Utter garbage many of them!

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There has never been 1 great fighter that never fought a garbage fighter in their career it all part of the learning whilst earning.

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Floyd is TBE.

Armstrong fought a bunch of bums and the highest he weighed was 146... Your lies are pathetic!

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He fought Cerefino Garcia for the middleweight title and was robbed on a highly disputed draw. Hard for me to take you seriously if you are calling guys like Garcia, Ray Robinson, and Benny Leonard "bums".

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Those guy weren't bums but look at his other opponents. Utter garbage many of them!

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There has never been 1 great fighter that never fought a garbage fighter in their career it all part of the learning whilst earning.

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Armstrong didn't fight "a garbage fighter", he fought maaany. Look at his record:

99th pro fight - Tommy Brown 1-1-0
96th pro fight - Johnny Jones 0-2-0
56th pro fight - Dommy Ganzon 4-0-1
38th pro fight - Perfecto Lopez - 16-12-7 (infact, they fought 6 times and Lopez never won once!!!!!)

Do I need to continue? It's a beautiful career full of accomplishments and also full of garbage fights against garbage fighters.

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Floyd is TBE.

Armstrong fought a bunch of bums and the highest he weighed was 146... Your lies are pathetic!

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He fought Cerefino Garcia for the middleweight title and was robbed on a highly disputed draw. Hard for me to take you seriously if you are calling guys like Garcia, Ray Robinson, and Benny Leonard "bums".

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Those guy weren't bums but look at his other opponents. Utter garbage many of them!

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There has never been 1 great fighter that never fought a garbage fighter in their career it all part of the learning whilst earning.

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Armstrong didn't fight "a garbage fighter", he fought maaany. Look at his record:

99th pro fight - Tommy Brown 1-1-0
96th pro fight - Johnny Jones 0-2-0
56th pro fight - Dommy Ganzon 4-0-1
38th pro fight - Perfecto Lopez - 16-12-7 (infact, they fought 6 times and Lopez never won once!!!!!)

Do I need to continue? It's a beautiful career full of accomplishments and also full of garbage fights against garbage fighters.

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In those days you had to fight often to get paid, 99 fights tells you he fought a lot. Different time different boxing conditions. Still held 3 titles at the same time. :)

So... You agree that he fought a bunch of shit fighters.
I'm not saying Armstrong wasn't great but let's recognize that he was a nibblet of corn in a steamy pile of shit.

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So... You agree that he fought a bunch of shit fighters.
I'm not saying Armstrong wasn't great but let's recognize that he was a nibblet of corn in a steamy pile of shit.

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He was pure gold in any era ever in the history of boxing. Floyd is just a fanny in comparison.

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Floyd is TBE.

Armstrong fought a bunch of bums and the highest he weighed was 146... Your lies are pathetic!

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Imo Greb is but and sure Armstrong has a few notches staying active.

He won the triple crown however brief. He went 27 and 0 in a year with 27 ko’s grabbing the only featherweight title available. When he lost to Ambers in a rematch for the 135 title it broke a run of 46 and 0 with 39 knockouts. He went to welter and was 133 at the weigh in when he beat Ross. He defended his title 19 times which is still a record. People always cop to opponents and their records w/o considering the times. People fought everyone all the time unless you were unfortunate enough to be and individual caught up in the colour barrier. The numbers also outright lie at times. All kinds of people have 0’s today but you know as well as anyone what those represent in most cases. Some of these atg’s fought two or three times a month. Staying undefeated today and staying undefeated in past eras are two different things. There are more belts today then there are elites to carry them. And let’s face it, many of the people Floyd beat would be the same opponents you call bums from other eras had they fought in them. Fighting twice a year against no hopers or with little hope is what it is. Floyd struggled against Castillo, Maidana and Hatton until Cortez injected himself into the fight and Armstrong by all accounts fought that style but at a different level. Armstrong fought almost 200 times in 13 years, Floyd fought 49 times in 18 years. Armstrong beat 10 hall of famers, how many did Floyd beat.

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Floyd is TBE.

Armstrong fought a bunch of bums and the highest he weighed was 146... Your lies are pathetic!

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Imo Greb is but and sure Armstrong has a few notches staying active.

He won the triple crown however brief. He went 27 and 0 in a year with 27 ko’s grabbing the only featherweight title available. When he lost to Ambers in a rematch for the 135 title it broke a run of 46 and 0 with 39 knockouts. He went to welter and was 133 at the weigh in when he beat Ross. He defended his title 19 times which is still a record. People always cop to opponents and their records w/o considering the times. People fought everyone all the time unless you were unfortunate enough to be and individual caught up in the colour barrier. The numbers also outright lie at times. All kinds of people have 0’s today but you know as well as anyone what those represent in most cases. Some of these atg’s fought two or three times a month. Staying undefeated today and staying undefeated in past eras are two different things. There are more belts today then there are elites to carry them. And let’s face it, many of the people Floyd beat would be the same opponents you call bums from other eras had they fought in them. Fighting twice a year against no hopers or with little hope is what it is. Floyd struggled against Castillo, Maidana and Hatton until Cortez injected himself into the fight and Armstrong by all accounts fought that style but at a different level. Armstrong fought almost 200 times in 13 years, Floyd fought 49 times in 18 years. Armstrong beat 10 hall of famers, how many did Floyd beat.

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Excellent post cc

Pete Degrasse 75-45-28
Frankie Klick 84-21-12
Wally Hally 24-7-1
Mark Diaz 11-25-8
Jackie Carter 32-16-7
Alf Blatch - 40-5-3
Lew Massey 68-32-9
Benny Bass 153-26-5
Eddie Brink 36-28-12
Johnny Cabello 16-8-4
Orville Drouillard 43-31-13
Charley Burns 35-12-6
Johnny DeFoe 23-17-9
Bobby Dean 38-16-6
Joe Marciente 43-56-18
Petey Sarron 93-21-12
Billy Beauhuld 34-0-4
Joey Brown 18-14-20
Tony Chavez 58-18-25
Johnny Jones 0-2-0
Enrico Venturi 61-10-12
Frankie Castillo 24-15-5
Tommy Brown 1-1-0
Chalky Wright 80-20-17
Al Citrino 60-7-16
Everett Rightmire 84-9-8
Charley Burns 36-16-6

BUMS

Lots of those "bums" have impressive records. Chalky Wright is in the HOF.

Only flomos and casuals are dazzled by the 0. What makes 49-0 more impressive than 151-21? If someone has 3x the amount of fights it's more likely they will lose.

It's impossible to compare fighters from history because things are so different. Floyd may well have gone 151-21 back then just like Armstrong might be 49-0 today. They're both great fighters of their time and neither beat a load of "bums."

Well he is right the mw is a fucking waste land with no talent not named GGG. I mean for fucksake Cotto a man who could never be the man at ww and lmw won the fucking lineal title for god sake. I mean the lineal title guy is Canelo who not even weight over 160 in the weigh in. Mw is a joke division look through the history there a great fighter like Hagler,Monzon and Hopkins that is it. The rest of the talent is either at ww or they are just passing through mw to go to lhw division. I use to think highly of the mw division but more i look at the history the more i think that Lhw is above mw and maybe even fw in talent. It still does not make sense to me because 160-180 is the size of most people should have talent. Either way there reasone why GGG not going up in weight and is waiting the same reason Hagler did not move up because he get his ass kicked by the top dogs at lhw. The difference is that for Hagler there was Spinks and for GGG there the Russian they need lmw guys to make there money pretty much. Hopkins was the same way there is a reason why he did not go to lhw because then he would lose ever great mw champ just seems to be king of the jungle in a shitty era.

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Pete Degrasse 75-45-28
Frankie Klick 84-21-12
Wally Hally 24-7-1
Mark Diaz 11-25-8
Jackie Carter 32-16-7
Alf Blatch - 40-5-3
Lew Massey 68-32-9
Benny Bass 153-26-5
Eddie Brink 36-28-12
Johnny Cabello 16-8-4
Orville Drouillard 43-31-13
Charley Burns 35-12-6
Johnny DeFoe 23-17-9
Bobby Dean 38-16-6
Joe Marciente 43-56-18
Petey Sarron 93-21-12
Billy Beauhuld 34-0-4
Joey Brown 18-14-20
Tony Chavez 58-18-25
Johnny Jones 0-2-0
Enrico Venturi 61-10-12
Frankie Castillo 24-15-5
Tommy Brown 1-1-0
Chalky Wright 80-20-17
Al Citrino 60-7-16
Everett Rightmire 84-9-8
Charley Burns 36-16-6

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This is why the term "bum" is meaningless. So vague and yet so broad. You helped to spell out what I said my young friend. A great many of those fighters wipe the floor with anyone Floyd fought in the weight area. It’s pretty much obvious that you look at w/l and draw all kinds of conclusions while the facts of the times do not even enter into it starting with that it was an era of 100 fights as the norm. Guys like Tommy Brown willing to fight with 10 minutes notice were everywhere because of the economy and society in general. Quite the opposite of today where you have millionaire fighters having never had a real fight. Artificial constructs with padded records fighting once a year and sleeping under velvet sheets. These guys fought in REAL p4p eras with 8 belts period not 72. Based on the qualifiers you apply ie: w/l column, Sam Langford was a bum along with a litany of all-time greats. Do you honestly believe that Floyd would have survived that era? Its and apples and oranges comparison because I doubt Armstrong survives this one. He probably couldn’t get a fight. It took Moore 160 to get a title shot. He'd be working a different job in this era. This all based on a functional time machine of course. You know one man forward and one man backward.

Oh and Ftr I think a middleweight version of Floyd beats Golovkin. But that Floyd doesn’t exist.

Remove the bums and tomato cans and Armstrong really won 16 in a row by KO.

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Floyd has never been able to do even that.

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You're obsessed with Mayweather.

I never compared the two fighters. Someone else brought Armstrong into the discussion and I just pointed out that he fought a bunch of shit fighters over his career and that people should consider that when they talk so highly of him.

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Floyd has never been able to do even that.

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Lol master you go over the top with your hate for Floyd. Just face it he's the TBE

Somebody said earlier that the jump from welter to middle seems to be larger than a corresponding leap between other divisions.

I hadn't thought about that, and I think it's a good point. Only the very best manage to hold welter and middle titles .... people like Emile Griffith, Carmen Basilio and Ray Robinson come to mind as possibly the only three who were the true undisputed world champions.

Even split title holders who have done this are an impressive bunch, Tommy Hearns, Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, Oscar de la Hoya, Felix Trinidad and Miguel Cotto. I had to look this up, so there may be more.

Perhaps, as it is in the 'middle' 😀 Of the divisions, it tends to be a bit of a crossroads. In the olden days of 8 weight divisions with a sizeable difference between them, it was much harder to become a multiple weight champion. In more modern times, nutrition has allowed people to move weights more effectively, and perhaps people start off lighter, such as Floyd and Manny, and then move up but are too physically small to get all the way up to middle from welter. Equally, people may start off at around middle and then fill out and move up from there, such as Roy Jones, James Toney etc.

Just comparing Floyd and Manny with Roy and James seems ridiculous doesn't it?

Always big of a guy to flap his gums from the sideline. Dumb point though, if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his arse when he hops, but who cares.

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The mans a tool. What did Leonard weigh when he fought Hagler? What did Robinson weigh when he fought Maxim? All this talk about p4p. Floyd should just shut his pie-hole. He's probably seriously considering fighting the winner of the sham middleweight/ring/bling championship and yet dismisses a fight with the real deal because of weight. He must have forgotten that Alvarez weighs the same as Golovkin on fight night.

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Lol master you go over the top with your hate for Floyd. Just face it he's the TBE

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That is just it! Floyd is far from being TBE boxer.

I'm pretty sure the stats show that Floyd is TBE.

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Lol master you go over the top with your hate for Floyd. Just face it he's the TBE

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That is just it! Floyd is far from being TBE boxer.

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Your being a bit harsh master at the very least he's belongs in the conversation of who's the TBE.

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Lol master you go over the top with your hate for Floyd. Just face it he's the TBE

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That is just it! Floyd is far from being TBE boxer.

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Your being a bit harsh master at the very least he's belongs in the conversation of who's the TBE.

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I don't see a logical, unbiased case for Floyd as TBE at this point in time. If Floyd came back and beat GGG, I would say he moves into the discussion. Right now Floyd is in the top 10-15, which is still pretty damn special.