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The common man who represents us our local MP.!
Well here are some facts 78℅ of our MP s are millionaires, I wonder what they have in common with people on a minimum wage very little I imagine.
We are ruled by a eletist bunch very much so you could say they must be successful and a born to goven.
But how much empathy have these people got for there constituency.
I am afraid the common man is a forgotten soul.
That is an awful lot of millionaires. The political system has always been that way based in London for part time hours doing their main job in commerce. They will do their surgeries once in a while and knock on your door every 4 years for your vote. It is called democracy. ☺
Yes a awful lot of millionaires mate subserdise meals etc, well what do you expect .Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
its their actions, not their net worth, that will determine how well they represent the common man.
Remember the actions are of a millionaire it's a total different outlook, as they say walk in my shoes for a day.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Big business is King the common man just a comodety to be used and abused.
Not every millionaire was born into money, a lot of them struggled their way up from nothing and truly understand the common man.
I dont know who the hell he thinks he is coming across like that @walrusQuote:
Originally Posted by vidgil
The struggle of finding a decent paid job to pay your bills.
One MP tried to live on £55 a week benefit guess what he could not.
What a bunch of yousless twats they are.
With that hatred of wealthy people it sounds like Jeremy Corbyn is your man. @GandalfQuote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Generally speaking, people who are willing to work for minimum wage into their later years aren't remotely capable of governing, for a plethora of reasons. I don't know quite what the argument otherwise would be?
No not at all but remember if you goven you must keep in touch with the people.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustWith that hatred of wealthy people it sounds like Jeremy Corbyn is your man. @GandalfQuote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Most MPs have forgotten they are there to represent the people not themselves.
Eletisum is not good for the country remember we are looking after the extremely wealthy and not working class people.
Workers make wealth but are poorly rewarded we are devolving in wages as you no your self Steve.
That's code for they got it from the ZOGQuote:
Originally Posted by vidgil
I have nothing against wealthy people per se, but I think a lot of wealthy people have made their wealth through inheritance, abuse of their workers, wrongly allocated government contracts, privatisation etc. Jamie Dimon was for instance in charge of a bankrupt bank. The bank got bailed out and he is now a billionaire. That is what I don't like. Some call it envy, but I wouldn't want a billion dollars. I wouldn't spend it, I would continue to enjoy staying at home reading books. There is no point in having a lot of money. A decent person just wants enough and to be able to have a little comfort if they ever make it to an old age. These billionaires who just want to accumulate and buy governments to get what they want are not human IMO. It's a mentality that I do not understand. They don't deserve it and I think a little land redistribution is in order when it comes to somewhere like London or George Clooney and his 10 homes all around the world. You shouldn't be allowed to buy a home in a country that you do not live in.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustWith that hatred of wealthy people it sounds like Jeremy Corbyn is your man. @GandalfQuote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
You need a COMMON MAN, someone who knows hard times!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9py4aMK3aIU
I just do not understand Gandalf's point of you. I am not saying there is income in equity and I am not saying that some people have inherited millions and even billions of dollars and therefore had the advantage but that is simply just part of life and evolution. You cannot just redistribute land. How would that be possible people who own the land and buildings and companies on that land How Could You forcibly remove that land and those buildings from them and move other less fortunate people into those buildings. This is really a pie in the sky idealistic and completely unfeasible way of trying to rearrange the equity of the world. I just do not understand what the problem is some of you people have two words wealthy people. I just cannot understand that. If lightning strikes a building is that unfair? Should we then strike fire into all the other buildings because that person who's building got struck by lightning received an unfair lot in life? Things happen like that that's what I meant to last week when I said things happen. That's the life things happen it is all random things. You cannot try to rearrange the random chaos that happens in this universe. I just cannot understand the hatred towards billionaires are trillionaires. And I certainly could not understand why Gandalf would say that you should not have the right to buy a house in a country that you do not live in. That is unbelievably oppressive towards people's right. If I have money right now a couple of million dollars and I want to buy a house in South Korea I see no reason why I should not be able to do that.
If you can inherit then you can redistribute. Trump inherited Daddy's money. Bought up real estate on the cheap because the city of New York was bankrupt, did them up because he was able to get cheap loans from banks impressed by Daddy's money, and then they were sold for fortunes to rich people and overseas investors. Ordinary people lost out on what should have been social housing because of the improper power of money. Money as God is not an ideal way to run a society and the collapse of capitalism into police state authoritarianism in order to protect the elite is how it has evolved. Welcome to the world of Zuckerberg, Soros, Buffett, and Gates. The homeless now even have spikes put under their bridges.
Ordinary people lost out on Trump's father's money?
Partly, and then they lost out even more when that money was used to buy up assets on the cheap, and then even more when rich and foreign money bought the overinflated properties. You see it in the UK today. They have sold off a lot of council housing to developers who then sell the properties to rich people from overseas. It is against the interests of the common man who just wants a place to live and who now finds himself having to spend 70% of his income just to rent a box in London. Again I would argue the case for land redistribution. It gets to a stage where the problem is too big to fix in any natural kind of way.
I'm not saying there isn't huge income disparity. I'm saying its normal and natural. Not everyone has the same IQ. You can't give a landscaper $2 million of Trump's father's money. First its not his money. Second he will.squander it. If you don't think so, just look at all the free money inner city ghettos get or better yet look how SUDDEN rags to riches (lottery winners from ghettos) spend all the $ and end up homeless just as before. You can't give strawberries to donkeys. Sorry, thats just reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
This level of income disparity hasn't been seen in human history though and after the great depression we had supposedly learned that it only leads to devastation and suffering. Then we 'forgot' and decided to bail out the banks and let the people sink. That's not a natural or normal thing. The markets should have been controlled again, the assets brought back, and bankers dealt with. Instead they were rewarded and have become bigger and ordinary people have become poorer. These are remarkably unnatural times.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustI'm not saying there isn't huge income disparity. I'm saying its normal and natural. Not everyone has the same IQ. You can't give a landscaper $2 million of Trump's father's money. First its not his money. Second he will.squander it. If you don't think so, just look at all the free money inner city ghettos get or better yet look how SUDDEN rags to riches (lottery winners from ghettos) spend all the $ and end up homeless just as before. You can't give strawberries to donkeys. Sorry, thats just reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I agree that everyone is different, but I also think that everyone should start from an equal playing field. Some will fall behind and some will do well, but at least have the hospitals there, the libraries here, and give them a chance. Instead what we have is a system where bright, poor people cannot get ahead because the system is rigged from the start. It is rigged because you have systems where inheritance tax is minimal, social services are decimated, where people already own property in a system where property constantly rises, but wages do not, where the poor are indebted just to get an education. It's a terrible system and there needs to be a revolution. It is designed to be unequal. In the past we had it designed to reduce that inequality. That only really changed with the rise of neo-liberalism and the rich buying up the system for themselves. They want everything.
Well, I say forgot with the bail out of the banks, but the torturing of the poor has been going on since Reagan and Thatcher.
Steve you know things were better 10 years back in the big apple.
The Common Man has been screwed unaffordable rent's poorly paid jobs,! and no sign of things getting better would you say.
America is devolving mate just like the UK the rich are screwing every body I can't see things getting changing for some time to come.
Of course I realize that things were better for the average person 10 years ago. They were also better for the average person 20 years ago. And then they were better than that 30 years ago. And they were even better 40 years ago and 50 years ago was the golden time in American history and sixty years ago we were basically in heaven having just helped Russia in defeating at of Hitler and having a golden era in the late 1940s and all through the 1950s and Rocky Marciano was the heavyweight champion of the worldQuote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
But I cannot find any justification at all for seizing the money of rich people and redistributing it to the poor. That is absolutely and @Gandalf knows it and you know it too. How would you go about seizing the money from the rich? Would you go into their bank account and simply yank out the money with your two hands and then walk around the ghetto or walk around Spanish Harlem and just distribute 50 and 100 pound notes to the poor?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRATbL8eI18Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando