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So..... Brook-Khan will never happen then?
Boxing news: Kell Brook vs Amir Khan not happening, Twitter row ensues | Metro News
Great. :rolleyes:
Here are two perfectly able-bodied British fighters, with no love for each other, who the boxing world would love to see in the ring.... and yet they'd rather fight through Twitter. I guess it goes with the times, since that seems to be the preferred mode of doing business and/or trading insults nowadays. Maybe we boxing fans should just get on board. Let's see... who would I favor in a Twitter fight between Brook and Khan.... In that case, it's gotta be Khan. He's better known globally, I guess. Probably has the better Twitter following. Pretty good whiner, too. Remembering his epic crying over Floyd, trying every trick in the book to get Floyd to fight him. At least Khan's chin wouldn't be at risk here. I say Tweet on!! Trump himself would be proud.
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Forget them both. Not too bothered if they fight one another or not. Just want them beaten whoever they fight next for some strange reason
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The fight will happen eventually. Looks like Khan has a divorce coming up.
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Saw the Khan interview on this morning. He says Brook has walked away from negotiations and doesn't want the fight. I don't believe that
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If Brook did walk away from negotiations I can only imagine it being something to do with weight, maybe Khan is refusing to go up to fight and Brook can't get back down to 147.
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70-30 split in Khans favour to right Brook said fuck off, Amir don't want the fight.
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70-30 split in Khans favour to right Brook said fuck off, Amir don't want the fight.
Yeah..... DAMN that Brook for not taking 30% to Khan's 70. Who does he think he is?
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70-30 split in Khans favour to right Brook said fuck off, Amir don't want the fight.
Yeah.....
DAMN that Brook for not taking 30% to Khan's 70. Who does he think he is?
Diva, I mean pride alone means it should be 50 - 50.
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Khans demanded a 70% slice of the cake and Eddie Hearn then tweeted him back claiming that even if he took a 50-50 split he'd still earn more than he did against Canelo
Khan on Twitter
"Eddie I'm the A side and you and kell know he will make more then he did against GGG. Don't you agree."
Hearns response on Twitter
"And on 50-50 you will make more than you did v Canelo."
Khan claiming he's the "A side" when he doesn't even have a belt is crazy talk as far as i'm concerned, maybe a few years ago but not now and if the fight was gonna happen in the USA then maybe he'd have more bragging rights but it's only gonna make serious money PPV wise and will sell more tickets in a bigger venue here in the UK.
Seems to me it's Khan deliberately pricing himself out of this knowing full well Hearn won't buckle - a kind of way to bottle the fight but keep some face if that makes sense ;)
Shame as it's a Brilliant matchup and a fight i'd still love to see.
Hearn speaks out on Khan v Brook: At 70-30, no we won't fight! | World Boxing News
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Khan is a complete cunt! He's never wanted the fight and wanting a 70% cut is just a way of squirming out of it.
I couldn't give a flying fuck if it happens or not.
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Who are you fellas talking about? One of the names seems familiar, think I heard of this Brooks chap giving 100 reasons he shouldn't have to fight Spence.
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Didn't know Khan had demanded 70% - if true then yep , it's him that doesn't want it
Cock
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has khan got a point though
yeah he sounds like a bellend saying he is the a side and all of that
but say they both faced opponents of the same standing in their next fights, what kind of money would they both generate?
I dunno, id have to see some figures for the fight and for other options to really decide if kell is getting a good deal or not
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Khan generates money because of his weak chin - even in a fight on paper that looks one sided the other guy always has a chance
But his prime days are over
Kell has been stopped once whilst still on his feet with a fucked up eye.
Can't see how anyone can argue this shouldn't be 50-50
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Mark TKO
Khan generates money because of his weak chin - even in a fight on paper that looks one sided the other guy always has a chance
But his prime days are over
Kell has been stopped once whilst still on his feet with a fucked up eye.
Can't see how anyone can argue this shouldn't be 50-50
in terms of boxing standing/ability/potential yes it deserves 50-50
maybe even more in kell's favour
but khan generates more money, why should he give some of that up? he has fought better fighters and has more fans
and his weak chin does contribute but also his race and his background
if he was fighting a journeyman would he give him half the proceeds?
I know kell is a long way from that, but as you step up the money generating ladder, does kell reach the kind of heights that khan does? therefore should kell only be worth the amount of money he attracts?
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Neither can Get the same pay day without the other. This will be huge over here.
If you were Brook would you accept less than half.
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Who are you fellas talking about? One of the names seems familiar, think I heard of this Brooks chap giving 100 reasons he shouldn't have to fight Spence.
I don't disagree that if Brook fights at 147 he should have to fight Spence and that's it. My view was based on the thread and Khan wanting 70%.
Btw, surely you recognise this "Brooks chap" Ron? He's the one that beat America's new "Mini Mike Tyson" in his own back yard and destroyed that little myth. Admittedly that was a while ago, but that's because Garcia and Thurman have been lining up bums between them and avoiding coming here to fight him despite the fact that they would've been guaranteed more money.
I agree that this is getting out of hand and the best should fight the best, but what can you do when someone as influential as America's Golden Boy is allowed to let fights marinate and make fights at 6 ounces above or below a weight limit so as not to lose a title. Come to think of it, didn't Garcia do that as well? Fuck , it's a stateside epidemic!!! ;D
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Ron Swanson
Who are you fellas talking about? One of the names seems familiar, think I heard of this Brooks chap giving 100 reasons he shouldn't have to fight Spence.
I don't disagree that if Brook fights at 147 he should have to fight Spence and that's it. My view was based on the thread and Khan wanting 70%.
Btw, surely you recognise this "Brooks chap" Ron? He's the one that beat America's new "Mini Mike Tyson" in his own back yard and destroyed that little myth. Admittedly that was a while ago, but that's because Garcia and Thurman have been lining up bums between them and avoiding coming here to fight him despite the fact that they would've been guaranteed more money.
I agree that this is getting out of hand and the best should fight the best, but what can you do when someone as influential as America's Golden Boy is allowed to let fights marinate and make fights at 6 ounces above or below a weight limit so as not to lose a title. Come to think of it, didn't Garcia do that as well? Fuck , it's a stateside epidemic!!! ;D
So USA is to blame for what Mexicans and Puerto Ricans do? Love it!
Reminds me of how Ukrainians respond to Russians who blame Obama for every problem in Russia "yeah, it's Obama pissing in your halls" haha
147 seems to be the epicenter of the problem that permiates the whole of the sport. Everyone has a reason why they shouldn't fight another guy. Of course Thurman wanted Garcia, every top fighter at 147 wanted Garcia. Of course Kell wants Pacquiao or Khan, money money money money. I don't think Spence is some boogeyman, I don't believe in any of the guys that get that rep. Some are good, some are really good, some are over hyped. In the end it comes down to money. If it pays enough they get fights. But part is fighters need to get back to being fighters. It has been proposed for over a year now that Kell would give up his belt when it is time to fight Spence. There is no way Kell has not heard this. If he gives it up it is a bad bad look.
I don't give two shits about a Khan/Brook matchup. I want to see top guys determine who is best. Khan/Brook does nothing to determine this. Brook/Thurman/Spence all need to fight each other. Even if each finishes 1-1 the sport is better off.
It's funny how easy it is to become a legend in this sport and nobody seems to want to follow the simple path. The UK had that era at 168, all they had to do was fight each other and now we will remember them forever. Over here we had the 4 horsemen, all they did was fight each other. Imagine these guys now fight each other twice now, does anyone think they don't come out ahead for it? Go 1-3 and you will still be better for it. Makes the sport extremely frustrating. Because we will be lucky to see these guys fight once. (SMDH)
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Ron Swanson
So USA is to blame for what Mexicans and Puerto Ricans do? Love it!
Although I'd love to take credit for it....
https://roberto00.wordpress.com/2011...weight-fights/
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Khan is being smart.
Let Brook fight Spence first and see what happens.
Let's see if Spence is everything that he's made up to be..
Should be 60-40 in khans favour..Khan has fought far better competition.
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Ron Swanson
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Primo Carnera
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Ron Swanson
Who are you fellas talking about? One of the names seems familiar, think I heard of this Brooks chap giving 100 reasons he shouldn't have to fight Spence.
I don't disagree that if Brook fights at 147 he should have to fight Spence and that's it. My view was based on the thread and Khan wanting 70%.
Btw, surely you recognise this "Brooks chap" Ron? He's the one that beat America's new "Mini Mike Tyson" in his own back yard and destroyed that little myth. Admittedly that was a while ago, but that's because Garcia and Thurman have been lining up bums between them and avoiding coming here to fight him despite the fact that they would've been guaranteed more money.
I agree that this is getting out of hand and the best should fight the best, but what can you do when someone as influential as America's Golden Boy is allowed to let fights marinate and make fights at 6 ounces above or below a weight limit so as not to lose a title. Come to think of it, didn't Garcia do that as well? Fuck , it's a stateside epidemic!!! ;D
So USA is to blame for what Mexicans and Puerto Ricans do? Love it!
Reminds me of how Ukrainians respond to Russians who blame Obama for every problem in Russia "yeah, it's Obama pissing in your halls" haha
147 seems to be the epicenter of the problem that permiates the whole of the sport. Everyone has a reason why they shouldn't fight another guy. Of course Thurman wanted Garcia, every top fighter at 147 wanted Garcia. Of course Kell wants Pacquiao or Khan, money money money money. I don't think Spence is some boogeyman, I don't believe in any of the guys that get that rep. Some are good, some are really good, some are over hyped. In the end it comes down to money. If it pays enough they get fights. But part is fighters need to get back to being fighters. It has been proposed for over a year now that Kell would give up his belt when it is time to fight Spence. There is no way Kell has not heard this. If he gives it up it is a bad bad look.
I don't give two shits about a Khan/Brook matchup. I want to see top guys determine who is best. Khan/Brook does nothing to determine this. Brook/Thurman/Spence all need to fight each other. Even if each finishes 1-1 the sport is better off.
It's funny how easy it is to become a legend in this sport and nobody seems to want to follow the simple path. The UK had that era at 168, all they had to do was fight each other and now we will remember them forever. Over here we had the 4 horsemen, all they did was fight each other. Imagine these guys now fight each other twice now, does anyone think they don't come out ahead for it? Go 1-3 and you will still be better for it. Makes the sport extremely frustrating. Because we will be lucky to see these guys fight once. (SMDH)
We'll gloss over the Mexican Puerto Rican thing otherwise we'll be here all night , but you're all happy to have the star spangled banner played when Oscar won Gold and call Swift an American champion.
As for the rest of your post, I 100% agree, couldn't put it better myself.
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Mark TKO
Neither can Get the same pay day without the other. This will be huge over here.
If you were Brook would you accept less than half.
depends on what I could get else where compared to what khan can get else where
yes its huge for both financially, but just coz the money goes up does it mean the margins should change?
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Just reading their twitter exchanges - love Brook's 'Wanker' emoji
I get what you're saying but come on 70-30 is an 'I don't want it' offer
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Mark TKO
Just reading their twitter exchanges - love Brook's 'Wanker' emoji
I get what you're saying but come on 70-30 is an 'I don't want it' offer
yeah 70-30 seems a bit too much of a gap
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Mark TKO
Just reading their twitter exchanges - love Brook's 'Wanker' emoji
I get what you're saying but come on 70-30 is an 'I don't want it' offer
yeah 70-30 seems a bit too much of a gap
I would not care as long as I get the sum I wanted but pride and principle means that you do not want your opponent to get way more than you.
That is a major factor in this as they hate each other so much that they do not want to give the other an inch.
It is part of the negotiation and I think they will come to a compromise.
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Wouldn't you love contracts where the purse split hinged on the result
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Wouldn't you love contracts where the purse split hinged on the result
It would be nice, start out with a 30-30 leave 40% up for grabs if it's a draw then 50-50 if it's a decision 60-40 and if it's a KO 70-30....wouldn't be horrible to test that out especially with undercard bouts first.
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Mark TKO
Wouldn't you love contracts where the purse split hinged on the result
It would be nice, start out with a 30-30 leave 40% up for grabs if it's a draw then 50-50 if it's a decision 60-40 and if it's a KO 70-30....wouldn't be horrible to test that out especially with undercard bouts first.
Ultimate payment by results. :)
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70-30 is taking the piss even as a starting point for negotiations. If he's not moving off 70% then he doesn't really want the fight.
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Just take their pay for the last 4 fights, add it up, divide one by the other and you know what percentages either deserves. If it is 70/30, f it, 70/30. If it is some other number fight for that. Just end the charade and fight so nobody has to listen to either wanker anymore. Fighters talk too f'n much these days
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Mark TKO
Wouldn't you love contracts where the purse split hinged on the result
That's exactly what Brook has done (more or less) offering Khan a 70-30 purse to the winner :cool: Very clever move by Brook/Hearn and Khan is now firmly backed into a corner and will look an absolute wanker if he doesn't agree to it.
"Put your money where your mouth is" indeed ;)
Kell Brook sends fight ultimatum to Amir Khan after money spat | GiveMeSport
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This is yet another "BAD RIVALRY"
Kell and Amir hate each other, I mean DESPISE each other! They are going to attempt to humiliate each other in the ring!
The purse is what? Nah, nah that ain't happening.
Don't give me fake hatin' Amir Khan! I want the REAL bleeding from the eyes urge to kill hatred....at least before the fight, but I guess we will just have to accept the fact that Amir just doesn't have the sack for this fight.
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El Kabong
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Mark TKO
Wouldn't you love contracts where the purse split hinged on the result
It would be nice, start out with a 30-30 leave 40% up for grabs if it's a draw then 50-50 if it's a decision 60-40 and if it's a KO 70-30....wouldn't be horrible to test that out especially with undercard bouts first.
Great idea, only problem is you get so many dodgy decisions that it'd never work out, one boxer clearly wins the fight, the home judges give it the other way, not only does the (flase) winner keep his 0 but he also gets the lions share of the money
there is too much scrutiny on judges from fans for that idea to ever work, in a perfect world then yeah definitely it would be great.
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Batman
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El Kabong
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Mark TKO
Wouldn't you love contracts where the purse split hinged on the result
It would be nice, start out with a 30-30 leave 40% up for grabs if it's a draw then 50-50 if it's a decision 60-40 and if it's a KO 70-30....wouldn't be horrible to test that out especially with undercard bouts first.
Great idea, only problem is you get so many dodgy decisions that it'd never work out, one boxer clearly wins the fight, the home judges give it the other way, not only does the (flase) winner keep his 0 but he also gets the lions share of the money
there is too much scrutiny on judges from fans for that idea to ever work, in a perfect world then yeah definitely it would be great.
Perhaps the crowd would more accurately judge the fight? IDK something outrageous like that might need to happen in boxing
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El Kabong
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Batman
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Mark TKO
Wouldn't you love contracts where the purse split hinged on the result
It would be nice, start out with a 30-30 leave 40% up for grabs if it's a draw then 50-50 if it's a decision 60-40 and if it's a KO 70-30....wouldn't be horrible to test that out especially with undercard bouts first.
Great idea, only problem is you get so many dodgy decisions that it'd never work out, one boxer clearly wins the fight, the home judges give it the other way, not only does the (flase) winner keep his 0 but he also gets the lions share of the money
there is too much scrutiny on judges from fans for that idea to ever work, in a perfect world then yeah definitely it would be great.
Perhaps the crowd would more accurately judge the fight? IDK something outrageous like that might need to happen in boxing
so what you are saying is that the fighter with the biggest fan base who sells the most tickets wins every time?
I could just see Eubank Jr on Twitter now, ''whoever buys tickets and votes for me gets 10% off my next PPV event which is being broadcast exclusively on BBC radio 4''
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so what you are saying is that the fighter with the biggest fan base who sells the most tickets wins every time?
I could just see Eubank Jr on Twitter now, ''whoever buys tickets and votes for me gets 10% off my next PPV event which is being broadcast exclusively on BBC radio 4''
That's worse than crooked judges?
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Batman
so what you are saying is that the fighter with the biggest fan base who sells the most tickets wins every time?
I could just see Eubank Jr on Twitter now, ''whoever buys tickets and votes for me gets 10% off my next PPV event which is being broadcast exclusively on BBC radio 4''
That's worse than crooked judges?
Far from it but its still far from ideal
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Batman
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El Kabong
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Batman
so what you are saying is that the fighter with the biggest fan base who sells the most tickets wins every time? I could just see Eubank Jr on Twitter now, ''whoever buys tickets and votes for me gets 10% off my next PPV event which is being broadcast exclusively on BBC radio 4''
That's worse than crooked judges?
Far from it but its still far from ideal
Could make it 70/30 to the winner by knockout only. Otherwise 50-50.I know I know then we'd get one crying about a premature stoppage if they lost.
