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195 countries sign. World's second largest polluter pulls out. Trump just like like a spoiled baby. The world is laughing at him. 2 billion dollars worth of US renewable energy changes and he just flicked the v's at them. Lo Carbon is the future whether he believes it or not. You do not even have to believe in climate change. On pollution levels alone it makes sense.
'Trump pulls out of Paris Accord, stocks rise. Why isn't the end of civilization priced into the market? '-Scott Adams
Paris Accord to cost U.S. 1.1 million industrial jobs & cost every U.S. family an extra 20% per yr on electric bill.
fuck Paris and fuck Al Gore.:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
Another example of Trump being an ignorant and reckless man. Actually pollution has become a big issue out here and people want an end to coal which is making the air very toxic. Even if it's not global warming you need clean air. If they would invest as much as they do into bombs in the West the prices of renewables would fall drastically. America has shown itself to be quite fundamentalist and only bothered about short term gain again. It will tell in the long run as other countries think more long term.
You hear arguments like those from Lyle, but surely quality of life is more important than an energy bill. It's like Tories who don't want to fund free lunches. Healthy kids means long term NHS costs go down. It's another example of short termism and lack of concern about quality of life. It is a right wing mentality. Same mentality as that towards the environment. Deregulate, frack, pollute, short term profit, to heck with the rest of you. Me, me, me for those who already control and dominate. Those that invest will have a better environment and pull ahead.
You idiots trump campaigned saying he would do this. It would cost us three trillion dollars. You fools there are reasons for this you ignoramus
Why is the economic cost the only one under consideration? If you willfully ignore other factors - factors that have the potential to be even more costly, economically speaking - then you truly fail to make an objective, informed decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
We have moved well into environmental protection. It has no teeth and China doesn't have to do anything for a decade or more and they have overtaken us in emissions. The fact that this would cost us three trillion dollars is unnacptable. We are 20 trillion in debt. We just need to look at the bottom line. Trump is fulfilling a campaign promise that the people voted him in for. We would also have to give India billions of dollars in foreign aid as that's what they wanted prior to agreeing to sign. Many countries won't follow the rules as there is no inspections or penalties for not following the agreement. It really was just a feel good photo op and a waste of money putting a bunch of dignitaries in fancy hotels as they hammered out this useless deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by bcollinsWhy is the economic cost the only one under consideration? If you willfully ignore other factors - factors that have the potential to be even more costly, economically speaking - then you truly fail to make an objective, informed decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
oh , air pollution a thing in South Korea? Blame China, not the US!
Stop making excuses, Walrus. If you really want a decent world for tomorrow then things have to change. Maybe the air is good where you are, but where I live people have to wear masks just to go outside. Microscopic particles get lodged in the lungs and cause asthma, lung disease and cancer. That isn't even mentioning global warming. The least we can do is keep the air clean and keep the planet inhabitable. The burning of coal and use of petrol is done simply because a few entities make a lot of money and want to maintain the existing order. There is plenty of energy out there and it can be clean and not particularly expensive as seen in India where solar energy is at record low prices due to investment. Trump is ignorant and/or vested in the status quo. Obviously he doesn't care as him and his closest are not going to be around fracking, high pollution areas or low level islands. I guess that is why they have all those nuclear bunkers all prepared and none of us are getting in. They risk it all and know they have an escape route. Nobody else does.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusWe have moved well into environmental protection. It has no teeth and China doesn't have to do anything for a decade or more and they have overtaken us in emissions. The fact that this would cost us three trillion dollars is unnacptable. We are 20 trillion in debt. We just need to look at the bottom line. Trump is fulfilling a campaign promise that the people voted him in for. We would also have to give India billions of dollars in foreign aid as that's what they wanted prior to agreeing to sign. Many countries won't follow the rules as there is no inspections or penalties for not following the agreement. It really was just a feel good photo op and a waste of money putting a bunch of dignitaries in fancy hotels as they hammered out this useless deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by bcollinsWhy is the economic cost the only one under consideration? If you willfully ignore other factors - factors that have the potential to be even more costly, economically speaking - then you truly fail to make an objective, informed decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
The whole Paris deal was based on reducing the temperature two tenths of one degree. The whole thing was a side show. I'm stocked up in my mansion with a safe room and a bunker so I'm good no matter whatQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfStop making excuses, Walrus. If you really want a decent world for tomorrow then things have to change. Maybe the air is good where you are, but where I live people have to wear masks just to go outside. Microscopic particles get lodged in the lungs and cause asthma, lung disease and cancer. That isn't even mentioning global warming. The least we can do is keep the air clean and keep the planet inhabitable. The burning of coal and use of petrol is done simply because a few entities make a lot of money and want to maintain the existing order. There is plenty of energy out there and it can be clean and not particularly expensive as seen in India where solar energy is at record low prices due to investment. Trump is ignorant and/or vested in the status quo. Obviously he doesn't care as him and his closest are not going to be around fracking, high pollution areas or low level islands. I guess that is why they have all those nuclear bunkers all prepared and none of us are getting in. They risk it all and know they have an escape route. Nobody else does.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusWe have moved well into environmental protection. It has no teeth and China doesn't have to do anything for a decade or more and they have overtaken us in emissions. The fact that this would cost us three trillion dollars is unnacptable. We are 20 trillion in debt. We just need to look at the bottom line. Trump is fulfilling a campaign promise that the people voted him in for. We would also have to give India billions of dollars in foreign aid as that's what they wanted prior to agreeing to sign. Many countries won't follow the rules as there is no inspections or penalties for not following the agreement. It really was just a feel good photo op and a waste of money putting a bunch of dignitaries in fancy hotels as they hammered out this useless deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by bcollinsWhy is the economic cost the only one under consideration? If you willfully ignore other factors - factors that have the potential to be even more costly, economically speaking - then you truly fail to make an objective, informed decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Just when I thought Trump could not get any dumber he then goes and does this.
Did I blame the US for the pollution here? I brought it up because it is a serious problem. The pollution is 40% domestic and 60% from China. Here it is because of the use of coal and it has become a political issue. Obviously it cannot carry on like this as people are getting sick and dying. Isn't it a terrible thing when people die because they cannot even breathe the air? It's bad whoever does it wherever it happens. Most countries of the world accept it is a problem and want to do something. Do you not think Trump is being shortsighted on this or can he still do no wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
USA contribute 14% of the worlds pollution. With China and India they make up about 54% of the worlds pollution. If they have agreed to reduce then so should USA. Money does not matter when innocent lives are at stake and dying from poor air quality puts further strain on the health system.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfDid I blame the US for the pollution here? I brought it up because it is a serious problem. The pollution is 40% domestic and 60% from China. Here it is because of the use of coal and it has become a political issue. Obviously it cannot carry on like this as people are getting sick and dying. Isn't it a terrible thing when people die because they cannot even breathe the air? It's bad whoever does it wherever it happens. Most countries of the world accept it is a problem and want to do something. Do you not think Trump is being shortsighted on this or can he still do no wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Alright then....your end goal is what? What is the end game for a climate scientist? Do people have cars? Is there ANY industry at all? Please do lay out the homeostasis between man and the climate if such a thing is actually achievable, what does that world look like?Quote:
Originally Posted by bcollinsWhy is the economic cost the only one under consideration? If you willfully ignore other factors - factors that have the potential to be even more costly, economically speaking - then you truly fail to make an objective, informed decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Why do you have to take everything to extremes? You have turned into a conspiracy nut where even the waitress offering you sugar for your coffee has the potential to be giving you strychnine. You can run cars on Hydrogen and renewable power is already a tried and tested safe and cheap alternative to conventional fossil fuels. So there is absolutely no merit to your suggestion that responsible conservation can keep both cars and actually provide sustainable jobs in growing industries.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAlright then....your end goal is what? What is the end game for a climate scientist? Do people have cars? Is there ANY industry at all? Please do lay out the homeostasis between man and the climate if such a thing is actually achievable, what does that world look like?Quote:
Originally Posted by bcollinsWhy is the economic cost the only one under consideration? If you willfully ignore other factors - factors that have the potential to be even more costly, economically speaking - then you truly fail to make an objective, informed decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
We are not running out of hydrogen or wind or solar power anytime soon.
The world is changing. Better hop on before you get left behind.
Quick question. Why is it such an awful thing that America have pulled out of this deal?
Lets assume for one crazy moment that any pledges America made in signing this deal are still going to happen and that they aren't going to start an Eiffel Tower sized coal fire in the rain forest in celebration.
What difference does it make?
As an aside. It really fills me with embarrassment as an English man when I hear English commentary on all things Trump. It doesnt matter if its here, in the office or on the news, I find it unbearably arrogant. I genuinely dont know where we as a people get the stones to snigger over our tea and toast given that we're doing such a great job of running our country.
I really respect that honesty and frankness and self-analysis there. That is something that very few people are able to do. I also agree with what you just said there. Not only have the British not put their house in order at all but yes sniggering over toast and tea is a very good analogy to make their. I really like that a lot. Yes you are right it is just a Witch Hunt but it is not only happening in the UK my friend it is happening anywhere where the globalists are writing and speaking and commenting. It is happening on all the mainstream TV stations in this country as well. It is the globalists the globalists the ones who want a One World Government the ones who want to suck out the patriotism and the nationalism of every country, who want all the borders to disappear and who think that all human beings should be mixed together in one big soup because everybody is equal and we should all share in the same soup. Great points about the climate agreement there my friend great points I agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
Master cows contribute 18% of emissionsQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterUSA contribute 14% of the worlds pollution. With China and India they make up about 54% of the worlds pollution. If they have agreed to reduce then so should USA. Money does not matter when innocent lives are at stake and dying from poor air quality puts further strain on the health system.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfDid I blame the US for the pollution here? I brought it up because it is a serious problem. The pollution is 40% domestic and 60% from China. Here it is because of the use of coal and it has become a political issue. Obviously it cannot carry on like this as people are getting sick and dying. Isn't it a terrible thing when people die because they cannot even bretathe the air? It's bad whoever does it wherever it happens. Most countries of the world accept it is a problem and want to do something. Do you not think Trump is being shortsighted on this or can he still do no wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
So it is all India's fault?Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Ummm I'm sorry I thought Climate Change was an EXXXXXTREME threat to humanity ergo rights must be taken away, livelihoods must be ruined, power plants must be closed, and any kind of industrialization must be halted or else _________ might happen be it the sea levels rising millimeters over a period of decades OR giant storms that we created :vd: OR manbearpig.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Hydrogen is a volatile gas there are car multiple wrecks every single day that MIGHT be a bad idea to run 100% of vehicles on that gas. What renewable power can you run cars on? Wind? Solar?
Let me just ask you a question (which I already know the answer to by the way)....Where does hydrogen come from? You know, so you can use it for all of these wonderful things like cars and industry. Also how would one go about moving Hydrogen....through a pipeline? On a tanker truck? A boat? This isn't the EXTREME it's a matter of being pragmatic and practical. These are veryday questions that people in the working world will have to address.
Just in case you'd care for an opinion that is not mine here you go...
http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie.../a926/4199381/
Yeah, the world changes regardless of what us humans do, the climate has changed before and will change again.....regardless of what people do. The human impact on the climate is small to nil, now people might disagree with that, but 1 big volcano eruption will make anything the Paris Accord set out to do moot
Why the Paris climate deal is meaningless - Oren Cass
http://www.politico.com/agenda/story...ingless-000326
Life comes at you fast ;D
Remaining Paris signatories plan to save planet by building 2,440 NEW coal plants.
http://climateactiontracker.org/asse...fing_COP21.pdf
But you were saying about renewable energy HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......hold on......HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Trump has shattered this Neo-techno-feudalism, this Global Austerity garbage.
Junckers today: "You will not be America First."
uhhhhh............WRONG.
new world order can ***KISS IT***
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVOOMyYde0c
And there you have it....China, India, they can do as they please, the US on the other hand (thanks to Barry Obama) pledged to do the MOST.
We are already have being the military protector for the rest of the world on our plate but we have to do that AND stifle our industry?!?! It makes no sense, but hey this is the Socialist "Eat the rich" mentality.
In a press conference putin called for calm reminding people much of the accords don't come into effect until 2021. He said jokingly now all bad weather can be blamed on western imperialism
When 97% of the world's scientists agree about the problem, that we've been able to measure quite accurately the amount of C02 in the air at staggering levels and when greedy bastards like Disney's CEO got out of Trump gov for this retraction, I think that we can easily say that yes, climate change is a PROBLEM and it would be about time for the denial-ers to get their fact straights and to evaluate the consequences for the species (including ours) VERY seriously.
Trump is as idiot as he is ignorant. At least, there is a glimpse of sun: on a procedural level, the US can't pull out before 2020 and Trump is quite likely to not get reelected.
God bless Lemmy. What a legend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pMVfpKBuyI
@Nameless, bruh I respect you and all but there's a few things wrong with what you're sayingQuote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
#1. That whole "97% of the world's scientists agree" deal is false John Cook started this myth and yeah it's a MYTH that 97% of "The World's Scientists" his survey sample was in the double digits, I think there's more than 99 scientists in the world don't you? ALSO even if you accept that "study" it doesn't provide a magnitude of climate change is it millions of degrees in a matter of years or thousands of feet of seas level change in months? NO! We're not talking whole degrees and we're barely talking millimeters in sea levels OVER DECADES! And it also NEVER weighs in on the benefits of cheap fuels.
#2. CO2 regardless of where it comes from is plant food and therefore limiting that would be bad for????? PLANTS! https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms13428
#3. The Paris Climate Accord is an "Accord" and not a Treaty ergo Jean Claude Junker can fuck right off with his "Meeeh, you can't leave for years meeeeeeh" bullshit, Treaties have to pass through congress and Barack Obama decided (for some unknown reason :scratchchin: ) decided NOT to send this agreement through Congress and therefore it's not a binding treaty because the representatives of the people didn't have their say and President Obama acted like a dictator.
#4. Donald Trump will be reelected people voted for him to do EXACTLY like that. The United States alone isn't flipping the bill for Global Warming/Climate Change et al.
If you see rising water no worries, those are just the tears of Al Gore and Leo DiCaprio.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwqIy8Ikv-c
Global warming is a phenomenon which occurs naturally. Mankind has very little to do with it if anything at all. These are fluctuations which occur on waves whose crests and troughs are separated by millions and millions of years
Is everyone ready??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY
It's the end of the Paris Climate Agreement as we know it and I feel fine :cool:
Maybe this is where I can explain my lack of worry in regards to this issue, not the Paris agreement but the Anthropogenic Climate Change issue as a whole....I see the people talking the most about how Anthropogenic Climate Change is an "Existential threat to our planet/lives/etc" and I don't see them living their lives as if they believe what they are saying for example Al Gore he says quite a lot about climate change: massive storms, rising sea levels, fossil fuels = death etc
And yet we see Al Gore buy a beachfront home in California, we see him jet set in private jets, we see him sell his television company to Al Jazeera which was built and is run with with oil money.
We hear Leo DiCaprio yada yada yada about the Climate and then we see him fly on a private jet from NY to LA SIX times in SIX weeks.
The average person can look at those guys and know for a FACT they don't practice what they preach and when there are people in Pennsylvania and Michigan who have been out of work due to the real life effects of the Paris Climate Accord who don't want to ruin the Earth they just want to be able to provide for their families Anthropogenic Climate Change become an extremely hard sell regardless of what any scientist might say.....sorry dude, feeding my family is priority #1 and if Bill DeBlasio can have a motorcade of SUVs then the world ain't going to go down because I have a hamburger....oh what's that??? Nobody is saying I can't/shouldn't grill out????
http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marb...ls-smoky-truth
.....and there you have it
"Military protector of the world"?? After destroying the entire Middle East you have the audacity to say that? It would be funny if it wasn't so deluded. :-\
The Middle East was destroyed well before the United States got there so sell it to someone else miles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
If you recall BP and the UK got the US involved in Iran to start with
Miles the US is the ,military protector of South Korea. That place would be a sea of fire if it werent for the US of A in force there since 53.
No Lyle, it's pretty much true and all the biggest independent agencies all agree on it and there is not one top scientist, from Bill Nye to Neil Degasse who don't agree, including the MIT scientists (which Trump did got schooled because he did misquote them.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong@Nameless, bruh I respect you and all but there's a few things wrong with what you're sayingQuote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
#1. That whole "97% of the world's scientists agree" deal is false John Cook started this myth and yeah it's a MYTH that 97% of "The World's Scientists" his survey sample was in the double digits, I think there's more than 99 scientists in the world don't you? ALSO even if you accept that "study" it doesn't provide a magnitude of climate change is it millions of degrees in a matter of years or thousands of feet of seas level change in months? NO! We're not talking whole degrees and we're barely talking millimeters in sea levels OVER DECADES! And it also NEVER weighs in on the benefits of cheap fuels.
#2. CO2 regardless of where it comes from is plant food and therefore limiting that would be bad for????? PLANTS! https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms13428
#3. The Paris Climate Accord is an "Accord" and not a Treaty ergo Jean Claude Junker can fuck right off with his "Meeeh, you can't leave for years meeeeeeh" bullshit, Treaties have to pass through congress and Barack Obama decided (for some unknown reason :scratchchin: ) decided NOT to send this agreement through Congress and therefore it's not a binding treaty because the representatives of the people didn't have their say and President Obama acted like a dictator.
#4. Donald Trump will be reelected people voted for him to do EXACTLY like that. The United States alone isn't flipping the bill for Global Warming/Climate Change et al.
If you see rising water no worries, those are just the tears of Al Gore and Leo DiCaprio.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwqIy8Ikv-c
Just for a fact, Exxon Mobil knew 40 years ago that the petrol operation were causing climate change (man made, that is), they just refused to never reveal it. HOw do you explain that? The petrol guys themselves admitting it!!! https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-40-years-ago/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...climate-change
NOW, just for a fun fact, did you know that the 20 senators that did lobby very very very hard to the orange retard to get out of Paris agreements... did receive 20 millions from the petrol cartel?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ergy-donations
Sorry but when official documents prove the bad guys knew it before climate change was much talked about, it blow the whole bubble that "climate change doesn't exist" in an instant and when they are caught read hand in the jar paying senators to do their dirty job...
Oh, as for the 97% agreeing: https://www.fraserinstitute.org/arti...cientists-many
One important fact checker at forbes listed the whole as more like "between 90 too 100% but not necessarily 97% for various reasons and calling it " a robust consensus" which is still, even when one tries to be picky and sceptic, highly significative. https://www.forbes.com/sites/uhenerg.../#c8eb69911576
Every senator and both parties receive money from the oil cartels. They don't take any chancesQuote:
Originally Posted by NamelessNo Lyle, it's pretty much true and all the biggest independent agencies all agree on it and there is not one top scientist, from Bill Nye to Neil Degasse who don't agree, including the MIT scientists (which Trump did got schooled because he did misquote them.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong@Nameless, bruh I respect you and all but there's a few things wrong with what you're sayingQuote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
#1. That whole "97% of the world's scientists agree" deal is false John Cook started this myth and yeah it's a MYTH that 97% of "The World's Scientists" his survey sample was in the double digits, I think there's more than 99 scientists in the world don't you? ALSO even if you accept that "study" it doesn't provide a magnitude of climate change is it millions of degrees in a matter of years or thousands of feet of seas level change in months? NO! We're not talking whole degrees and we're barely talking millimeters in sea levels OVER DECADES! And it also NEVER weighs in on the benefits of cheap fuels.
#2. CO2 regardless of where it comes from is plant food and therefore limiting that would be bad for????? PLANTS! https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms13428
#3. The Paris Climate Accord is an "Accord" and not a Treaty ergo Jean Claude Junker can fuck right off with his "Meeeh, you can't leave for years meeeeeeh" bullshit, Treaties have to pass through congress and Barack Obama decided (for some unknown reason :scratchchin: ) decided NOT to send this agreement through Congress and therefore it's not a binding treaty because the representatives of the people didn't have their say and President Obama acted like a dictator.
#4. Donald Trump will be reelected people voted for him to do EXACTLY like that. The United States alone isn't flipping the bill for Global Warming/Climate Change et al.
If you see rising water no worries, those are just the tears of Al Gore and Leo DiCaprio.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwqIy8Ikv-c
Just for a fact, Exxon Mobil knew 40 years ago that the petrol operation were causing climate change (man made, that is), they just refused to never reveal it. HOw do you explain that? The petrol guys themselves admitting it!!! https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-40-years-ago/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...climate-change
NOW, just for a fun fact, did you know that the 20 senators that did lobby very very very hard to the orange retard to get out of Paris agreements... did receive 20 millions from the petrol cartel?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ergy-donations
Sorry but when official documents prove the bad guys knew it before climate change was much talked about, it blow the whole bubble that "climate change doesn't exist" in an instant and when they are caught read hand in the jar paying senators to do their dirty job...
Oh, as for the 97% agreeing: https://www.fraserinstitute.org/arti...cientists-many
One important fact checker at forbes listed the whole as more like "between 90 too 100% but not necessarily 97% for various reasons and calling it " a robust consensus" which is still, even when one tries to be picky and sceptic, highly significative. https://www.forbes.com/sites/uhenerg.../#c8eb69911576
:vd: Bill Nye doesn't even have a Master's Degree, he's a Mechanical Engineer who wears a bow tie and believes in Gender Fluidity I'll be damned if he's going to tell me ANYTHING about the environment or climate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
Dr. Patrick Moore, PHD in Ecology and founder of Greenpeace
Nobel laureate Ivar Giaever
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...global_warming
Among others....don't necessarily agree on Anthropogenic Climate Change
But yes, let's go down the rabbit hole Nameless....what are we as humans going to give up in order to "save the Earth"? HMMM? Has ANYONE thought of this at all? Anybody thought of the consequences of this at all? The remaining members of the Paris Accords are building 2,440 NEW coal plants and what is the crux of the argument? "Well Trump and America are HORRIBLE EVIL people for leaving the Paris Accords"........
Thank you, I'll accept that...now it's YOUR turn, it's YOUR turn to put your money where your mouth is, the Climate is warming due to man? Well I had guess YOU better get to doing something in order to mitigate that shit. Not you as an individual, you as a nation, you as a people who believe in that, you better stop TALKING about Climate Change and start ACTING like it's happening, and maybe then you'll win some people over but until then I'm not listening to Bill fucking Nye, I'm not listening to Al fucking Gore, and I'm not listening to Leo DiCaprio, they can save their "Buy carbon offsets" horse crap for the dupes who do listen to them! If it wasn't a fucking scam why did they copy the Catholic Church's buying of indulgences?!?!?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SxbZrubZzg
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/new...arctic-glacier
Climate Alarmists....
ALWAYS
REVISE
THEIR
BULLSHIT
This has devolved into the predictable argument of climate change..... believers vs. deniers.
What I don't understand is why..... when even many energy company CEO's in the US supported the Paris Agreement..... why did Trump decided against it. Is it possible that his objections, obviously rooted in money and jobs, were based on faulty information? Did Trump give this Agreement the analysis it deserves? Or was it just another knee-jerk reaction from Donald? Is there some sort of statement where people can feel assured that the U.S. does care about the environment.... and is not merely regressing back several decades?
Obviously support and criticism will predictably fall along party lines. What else is new.... :rolleyes: