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Let's define a Robbery...
Let's Stop crying Robbery..
Too much moaning about last nights fight when the corrupt judge made the mistake in the wide scores but not the choice of opponent.
Do you consider any of these recent fights a robbery?
Pac vs Bradley 1?
Pac vs Horn?
Ward vs Kovalev 1?
Degale vs Jack?!
In all your saddo experience as a fan or boxer, what fights have you seen that has been a complete and utter robbery that have left you completely disgusted.
Give me a breakdown of your definition of what makes a robbery in a boxing match.
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Erislandy Lara vs Paul Williams
Nicolas Walters vs Jason Sosa
Joel Casamayor vs Jose Santa Cruz
Evander Holyfield vs Lennox Lewis 1
Bernard Hopkins vs Jermain Taylor 1
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Canelo having 10 rounds won against GGG is corrupt.
The fight between GGG and Canelo was close I had it 8-4 but it could be 7-5. That is close not a robbery.
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Master
Canelo having 10 rounds won against GGG is corrupt.
The fight between GGG and Canelo was close I had it 8-4 but it could be 7-5. That is close not a robbery.
Completely agree, the actual result is not a robbery it is the scorecard of Adelaide Byrd that is the problem.
It is the fact that people have been calling her out for her bullshit cards for over 10 years and nothing has been done.
It is the fact that fighters try to get her removed from their fights as a judge
It is the fact that Abel Sanchez raised the issue before the fight yet this still happened
It is the fact that the NSAC have defended her and said she 'Had an off night'
It is the fact that Oscar says 'She has been scoring fights accurately for years and the only winner of the night was boxing
I'm not one to scream robbery when a decision doesn't go how I want but it pisses me off when someone is as blatantly corrupt as her.
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Master
Canelo having 10 rounds won against GGG is corrupt.
The fight between GGG and Canelo was close I had it 8-4 but it could be 7-5. That is close not a robbery.
My point on robbery in Vagas GGG had a cat in hells chance of getting a points win it was stacked against him the ginger monster was made out to be something he was not.!
The build up was in my eyes very much Canelo and GGG was playing the understudy in a rematch GGG will catch him and hurt him Canelo punches had very little affect on GGG simple.
Vagas is a bad place to get a fair decision plenty of bad ones,! it was a City built by mobsters and it remains corrupt I was pissed off because I new it would be a screw job.
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Master
Canelo having 10 rounds won against GGG is corrupt.
The fight between GGG and Canelo was close I had it 8-4 but it could be 7-5. That is close not a robbery.
I agree on the 7-5...it was close.
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Master
Canelo having 10 rounds won against GGG is corrupt.
The fight between GGG and Canelo was close I had it 8-4 but it could be 7-5. That is close not a robbery.
I agree on the 7-5...it was close.
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Looking at the official scores that Batman put on here all 3 judges had Canelo winning the first 2 and the last 3 rounds. So that does make the fight close.
The fact that the corrupt judge had Canelo winning every round from 8 to 12 is a joke. the other 2 judges had GGG winning 8 and 9.
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I think that there is a fine line between a controversy and a robbery, a dubious decision and a really bad decision. A fine line, but a line nonetheless.
I can accept very well that sometimees, a judge will give all the tight rounds to one of the two boxers, even though I strongly disagree. Fine.
But when a judge makes a TOTAL miscalculation by such a wide margin as 118-110, it's absolutely scancalous. Canelo was nowhere near to "perhaps win". If we're VERY generous to Alvarez, losing 115-113 is acceptable. A draw? pretty dubious but let's call it a dubious decision. 118-110? I can't believe I've ever seen such score for that fight.
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On the Pac vs Horn fight, the three judges scoring the fight 117-111, 115-113 and 115-113 to the Australian after 12 rounds...I felt that was Bob arum keeping all the money in House and making rematches under his own greedy banner..plus it was in homegrown soil in Australia.
The judge was completely wrong in the fight last night which is something we can All agree on...BUT if that same judge made it 115-113 for Canelo I still don't see a robbery.
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Here's a simple way to understand the difference between the GGG robbery and the Pac-Horn "robbery."
The vast majority (95%) of people think Golovkin beat Canelo. Pac-Horn was split 50-50. Therefore Golovkin was robbed and Pac wasn't. Popular opinion. Simple.
You should be wondering why you're in the tiny minority that thinks Golovkin lost? You should be re-evaluating your own scoring (motives), what are you missing that everyone else can see, not trying to convince the world that they're wrong.
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Here's a simple way to understand the difference between the GGG robbery and the Pac-Horn "robbery."
The vast majority (95%) of people think Golovkin beat Canelo. Pac-Horn was split 50-50. Therefore Golovkin was robbed and Pac wasn't. Popular opinion. Simple.
You should be wondering why you're in the tiny minority that thinks Golovkin lost? You should be re-evaluating your own scoring (motives), what are you missing that everyone else can see, not trying to convince the world that they're wrong.
So you're calling the GGG fight a robbery?
Everyone was crying that Pac was robbed at the time..short memories on request.
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Fenster
Here's a simple way to understand the difference between the GGG robbery and the Pac-Horn "robbery."
The vast majority (95%) of people think Golovkin beat Canelo. Pac-Horn was split 50-50. Therefore Golovkin was robbed and Pac wasn't. Popular opinion. Simple.
You should be wondering why you're in the tiny minority that thinks Golovkin lost? You should be re-evaluating your own scoring (motives), what are you missing that everyone else can see, not trying to convince the world that they're wrong.
So you're calling the GGG fight a robbery?
Everyone was crying that Pac was robbed at the time..short memories on request.
No, once again, i'll dumb it down even more...
Lots of fans were saying Pac was robbed. He wasn't robbed because lots of other fans thought he lost. It was split 50-50. If 95% had thought Pac won then it would have been a robbery.
How many people have you seen score the fight for Canelo apart from YOU and a couple of trolls? YOU are in the minority. YOUR interpretation of the fight doesn't align with everyone else (no sensible fan/pundit/judge agrees with you). Therefore you should be wondering why you got it so WRONG.
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I think you will find that most people are more scarred by the 118-110 score which has intensified the feeling of the result.
If the Judge gave a 115-113 Canelo score would that be more acceptable in your eyes or did you have it wider than that?!
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This is going round in circles in many threads.
I just feel Canelo deserves a ton of credit for this fight as everyone was accusing him of ducking and was going to to get knocked out by the bogeyman...Canelo is not to blame for the dodgy judge.
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imp
I think you will find that most people are more scarred by the 118-110 score which has intensified the feeling of the result.
If the Judge gave a 115-113 Canelo score would that be more acceptable in your eyes or did you have it wider than that?!
It wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference whatever score Canelo "won" by. EVERYONE thought he lost (vast majority/every sensible viewer on the planet). That's the only part that is relevant. Canelo LOST. Golovkin WON.
The ridiculous scorecard disguises the robbery if anything, as it takes attention away from the main factor.
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I just feel Canelo deserves a ton of credit for this fight as everyone was accusing him of ducking and was going to to get knocked out by the bogeyman...Canelo is not to blame for the dodgy judge.
That's a fair comment.
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imp
I just feel Canelo deserves a ton of credit for this fight as everyone was accusing him of ducking and was going to to get knocked out by the bogeyman...Canelo is not to blame for the dodgy judge.
Also loads of fans said that GGG would get robbed if he didn't score a KO (just look at the main thread, loads of us said it).
Fans, pundits and writers - Doug Fischer is the editor of The Ring online (works for Golden Boy/Oscar) yet predicted Golovkin will get shafted unless he scores a blowout, Graham Houston, Steve Bunce, Steve Kim etc. They're not even "conspiracy/corruption" wafflers like Teddy Atlas, just, like many fans, knew the house fighter (money man) will be protected by Vegas.
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not very effective pressure from ggg, lots of missed punches, almost amateurish at times, never rocked canelo at all or even hurt him
................... not an all time great at all, not even close, choked bad in the last 3 rounds when he needed to really STEP UP AND LET IT ALL HANG OUT
********here he was in the Fight of his Life, the fight was close enough that he should have fought his ass off to win it, but instead Canelo OUTHUSTLED his ass in Rounds 10, 11 and 12.
Marvin Hagler would have found a way to pull that out against a guy like Canelo (who is not exactly the hardest puncher in the world :rolleyes:
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not very effective pressure from ggg, lots of missed punches, almost amateurish at times, never rocked canelo at all or even hurt him
................... not an all time great at all, not even close, choked bad in the last 3 rounds when he needed to really STEP UP AND LET IT ALL HANG OUT
********here he was in the Fight of his Life, the fight was close enough that he should have fought his ass off to win it, but instead Canelo OUTHUSTLED his ass in Rounds 10, 11 and 12.
Marvin Hagler would have found a way to pull that out against a guy like Canelo (who is not exactly the hardest puncher in the world :rolleyes:
Brock, your posts just get more stupider and stupider with each passing day.
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68 collected results from fighters/media
Lennox Lewis - Golovkin
Paulie Malignaggi - Golovkin
Austin Trout - Golovkin
Enzo Macarenelli - Golovkin
Terence Crawford - Golovkin
Liam Smith - Golovkin
Peter Quillin - Golovkin
Liam Williams - Golovkin
Ohara Davies - Golovkin
Luke Campbell - Golovkin
Dave Coldwell - Golovkin
Badou Jack - Golovkin
Kevin Kelly - Golovkin
Steve Kim - Golovkin
Doug Fischer - Golovkin
Ring TV - Golvokin
Michael Montero - Golovkin
Joe Rogan - Golovkin
Jim Rome (sports broadcaster) - Golovkin
Kovalev - Golvokin
Chavez Jr - Golovkin
Danny Jacobs - Golovkin
Murat Gassiev - Golovkin
Ed Robinson - Golovkin
Spencer Fearon - Golovkin
Johnny Nelson - Golovkin
James Brady (SB Nation) - Golovkin
Rosie Perez - Golovkin
Lou DiBella - Golovkin
Tony Jeffries - Golovkin
Martin Samuel (UK Daily Mail) - Golovkin
Kenny Porter - Golovkin
Adam Booth - Golovkin
Teddy Atlas --------------------------------> 118-110 GGG
Jeff Powell (UK Daily Mail) ----------------> 118-111 GGG
Mookie Alexander (Bloody Elbow) --------> 117-111 GGG
Brian Campbell (CBS) ---------------------> 117-111 GGG
Jack Rathborn (Mirror UK) ----------------> 117-111 GGG
Harold Lederman (HBO) ------------------> 116-112 GGG
Dan Rafael (ESPN) ------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Bryan Graham (Guardian UK) ------------> 116-112 GGG
Gareth Davies (UK Telegraph) -----------> 116-112 GGG
Sergio Martinez ---------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Amir Khan ---------------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Matthew Macklin --------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Steve Lillis (BoxNation) -------------------> 116-112 GGG
Bob Velin (USA Today) --------------------> 116-112 GGG
Kevin McRae (Bleacher Report) -----------> 116-112 GGG
Shaun Al-Shatti (MMA Fighting) ----------> 116-112 GGG
Ryan Frederick (Wrestling Observer) ----> 116-112 GGG
Patrick Stumberg (MMA Mania) ----------> 116-112 GGG
Kevin Mitchell (Guardian UK) ------------> 116-113 GGG
Josh Taylor --------------------------------> 116-113 GGG
Joshua Bautsi -----------------------------> 116-113 GGG
Jordan Breen (Sherdog) ------------------> 115-112 GGG
Caleb Truax -------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Kevin Iole (Yahoo) ------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Gary Locket -------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Will Esco (Bad Left Hook) -----------------> 115-113 GGG
Phil Murphy (ESPN) -----------------------> 115-113 GGG
Mike Harris (SI) ---------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Paul Fontaine (Wrestling Observer) ------> 115-113 GGG
MMA Brazil ---------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Sean Sheehan (Severe MMA) -------------> 115-113 GGG
Rob Tatum (Combat Press) ----------------> 115-113 GGG
Patrick Wyman (Bleacher Report) ---------> 115-113 GGG
Joel Diaz ------------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
De La Hoya - 115-113 Canelo
Bernard Hopkins - 115-113 Canelo
Golovkin - 66 votes (97%)
Canelo - 2 votes (3%)
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Wait one minute, Fenster!
Gary Lockett backed Canelo..
Stop fudging the figures..lol
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Oscar and Hopkins opinions can not count.
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Hopkins and DLH had Canelo winning? Priceless!
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imp
Wait one minute, Fenster!
Gary Lockett backed Canelo..
Stop fudging the figures..lol
No he didn't, check his twitter.
"I said GGG won?!"
"I had GGG up by 1 or 2 rounds, not as wide as most. All I said was the eye catching punches were Canelo but GGG outworked him mostly"
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How can so many "experts" be wrong, Imp?
You, Brock, Gamo, Yjfjghfkfhgh and two of Canelo's promoters. Three trolls, two bullshit merchants on the payroll and you. :D
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Imp has never forgiven GGG for not moving up weight and fighting his favourite fighter Andre Ward.
It burns inside of him so much that he wanted Canelo to win.
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Master
Imp has never forgiven GGG for not moving up weight and fighting his favourite fighter Andre Ward.
It burns inside of him so much that he wanted Canelo to win.
That made me chuckle..lol
Listen, I just want both cases to be justified.
Ward was at 168 when GGG refused to step up and fight him..Ward stepped up and beat the bogeyman in Kovalev.
Canelo was at 154 and stepped up (finally) to fight GGG..I felt the better power punches and ringmanship won him the fight on a very close fight.
Both Ward and Canelo stepped up to fight the best in the divison and should be given the props they deserve..yet GGG has never done this but gets praise for beating smaller guys (excluding Jacobs).
I like GGG and Canelo but please accept the fact that Canelo stepped up to 160 (not what he weighs on fight night) and he has nothing to do with the judge at ringside...he took all GGG best shots and took him the distance AND made GGG miss so many power shots with his improved defence.
Why are fighters not rewarded for making a fighter Miss..instead they are told the same story of being on their bike and running unless they conform to a rocky movie, roberto Duran, Gatti type fighter that takes punishment.
We all like a good fight but let's appreciate the art as well.
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Master
Imp has never forgiven GGG for not moving up weight and fighting his favourite fighter Andre Ward.
It burns inside of him so much that he wanted Canelo to win.
That made me chuckle..lol
Listen, I just want both cases to be justified.
Ward was at 168 when GGG refused to step up and fight him..Ward stepped up and beat the bogeyman in Kovalev.
Canelo was at 154 and stepped up (finally) to fight GGG..I felt the better power punches and ringmanship won him the fight on a very close fight.
Both Ward and Canelo stepped up to fight the best in the divison and should be given the props they deserve..yet GGG has never done this but gets praise for beating smaller guys (excluding Jacobs).
I like GGG and Canelo but please accept the fact that Canelo stepped up to 160 (not what he weighs on fight night) and he has nothing to do with the judge at ringside...he took all GGG best shots and took him the distance AND made GGG miss so many power shots with his improved defence.
Why are fighters not rewarded for making a fighter Miss..instead they are told the same story of being on their bike and running unless they conform to a rocky movie, roberto Duran, Gatti type fighter that takes punishment.
We all like a good fight but let's appreciate the art as well.
Ringmanship? Did Canelo put Golovkin where he wanted him to? No. The fighter dictating the fight was Golovkin. Just because GGG found it harder to breakdown Canelo compared to his many previous opponents you can not morph that into Alvarez dominating. This silly idea that Golvkin gets praise for beating up on smaller opponents is just bullshit. He is a middleweight fighting at middle weight, not catchweights skewed in his favour, and exactly when was he so much huger than his opponent even on fight? You are just extrapolating the logic that because Canelo often is much bigger than his opponent then the same must be true of GGG. It's just not the reality. It is quite clear when Floyd fights that even when he is fighting defensively he is the one in control. Canelo fought a great fight but he was the one responding . Even his ability to counterpunch off the ropes was severely compromised by Golvkins own work.
Credit where it is due. Canelo in spots was sublime and his experience shined through but he was the inferior fighter on the night. He could not halt Golvkin or throw him off his gameplan. He got tired of throwing that hook early which may have paid dividends down the stretch and he got reduced to fighting in spurts by the better man. It was a helluva fight soured by one judges card and the fact that Oscar and Hopkins are the only two backing up the card lets you know the fix is in. Not only was it a terrible score card but nobody even had it as a draw. It was a Golovkin win by any measure, whatever style you like or don't like.
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GGG should not be penalised for not moving up in weight. Hagler stayed at middleweight and dominated smaller opponents too but built a great legacy.
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Master
GGG should not be penalised for not moving up in weight. Hagler stayed at middleweight and dominated smaller opponents too but built a great legacy.
Going over old ground and I don't want to go off topic here but in that case why are you so desperate for a 40 year old man who has already moved up through numerous weights to move up yet again to fight someone who would be twice the size of him?
Just asking
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Master
GGG should not be penalised for not moving up in weight. Hagler stayed at middleweight and dominated smaller opponents too but built a great legacy.
Going over old ground and I don't want to go off topic here but in that case why are you so desperate for a 40 year old man who has already moved up through numerous weights to move up yet again to fight someone who would be twice the size of him?
Just asking
I am not asking now because I know it would be impossible for him to do it.
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Master
GGG should not be penalised for not moving up in weight. Hagler stayed at middleweight and dominated smaller opponents too but built a great legacy.
Ward should not be penalised for staying at 168.
He could have stayed there and crushed the Degale, groves and Jacks of this world.
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GGG should not be penalised for not moving up in weight. Hagler stayed at middleweight and dominated smaller opponents too but built a great legacy.
Ward should not be penalised for staying at 168.
He could have stayed there and crushed the Degale, groves and Jacks of this world.
I have not penalised him, it was a great victory to beat big bad Kovalev. A mark of a great fighter.
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Let's Stop crying Robbery..
Too much moaning about last nights fight when the corrupt judge made the mistake in the wide scores but not the choice of opponent.
Do you consider any of these recent fights a robbery?
Pac vs Bradley 1?
Pac vs Horn?
Ward vs Kovalev 1?
Degale vs Jack?!
In all your saddo experience as a fan or boxer, what fights have you seen that has been a complete and utter robbery that have left you completely disgusted.
Give me a breakdown of your definition of what makes a robbery in a boxing match.
Pac vs Bradley 1? - I didn't agree with the result
Pac vs Horn? - I wouldn't argue with this one
Ward vs Kovalev 1? - a little fortunate to go to ward, more like a draw
Degale vs Jack?! - the correct result, six rounds each easy
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Canelo wasn't active enough and GGG wasn't active enough so it was far from a robbery. Golovkin forced the fight but Canelo did the better work, do you like quantity or quality?
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Canelo wasn't active enough and GGG wasn't active enough so it was far from a robbery. Golovkin forced the fight but Canelo did the better work, do you like quantity or quality?
Read Fensters post, the quantity was with GGG and so was the quality.
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Canelo wasn't active enough and GGG wasn't active enough so it was far from a robbery. Golovkin forced the fight but Canelo did the better work, do you like quantity or quality?
Read Fensters post, the quantity was with GGG and so was the quality.
I don't need to read his post. I watched the fight and the quality was obviously with Canelo, if you can't see that then you're either blind or stupid (maybe both) GGG was more marked up despite Alvarez wearing winning gloves (aka pillows) that tells you all you need to know.
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It was an excellent fight. Both guys gave everything. Golovkin won the fight, I say 8,4 . The lady judge had other things on her mind other than watching a great fight.
Shame, it spoiled a great show.
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Canelo wasn't active enough and GGG wasn't active enough so it was far from a robbery. Golovkin forced the fight but Canelo did the better work, do you like quantity or quality?
Read Fensters post, the quantity was with GGG and so was the quality.
I don't need to read his post. I watched the fight and the quality was obviously with Canelo, if you can't see that then you're either blind or stupid (maybe both) GGG was more marked up despite Alvarez wearing winning gloves (aka pillows) that tells you all you need to know.
You can not decide who won a fight based on what they looked like at the end of the fight. That is dumb.
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Canelo wasn't active enough and GGG wasn't active enough so it was far from a robbery. Golovkin forced the fight but Canelo did the better work, do you like quantity or quality?
Read Fensters post, the quantity was with GGG and so was the quality.
I don't need to read his post. I watched the fight and the quality was obviously with Canelo, if you can't see that then you're either blind or stupid (maybe both) GGG was more marked up despite Alvarez wearing winning gloves (aka pillows) that tells you all you need to know.
You can not decide who won a fight based on what they looked like at the end of the fight. That is dumb.
No but you can see who was landing the better punches. One guys swollen up and the other isn't :rolleyes:
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Canelo wasn't active enough and GGG wasn't active enough so it was far from a robbery. Golovkin forced the fight but Canelo did the better work, do you like quantity or quality?
Read Fensters post, the quantity was with GGG and so was the quality.
I don't need to read his post. I watched the fight and the quality was obviously with Canelo, if you can't see that then you're either blind or stupid (maybe both) GGG was more marked up despite Alvarez wearing winning gloves (aka pillows) that tells you all you need to know.
You can not decide who won a fight based on what they looked like at the end of the fight. That is dumb.
No but you can see who was landing the better punches. One guys swollen up and the other isn't :rolleyes:
No you can not because you could get a fighter who does not mark up but takes a beating.
