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Canelo has suggested he wants the rematch.
Where? Conditions?
You would have to think GGG's team need to be quite strong on those without scuppering the chance of another big payday and the chance to put that W in it's column
http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2017/...rematch-in-may
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That's your Mate's fault. Golovkin wanted it December.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
I'd really like to see Golovkin start acting like he owns the room. Don't just ho hum along happy to be in 'big drama show' :-X reacting to every whim. I mean get a chip on his shoulder and mess up his hair at least. And ffs stop speaking Canelos language..'look for tiebreaker'. It wasn't a tie, you won, act like it ;D. Draws should have mandatory rematch timeline and it surely isn't 8-10 months.
I’m intrigued to see if GGG stays in shape between. He looked like crap entering camp for the first go.
By agreeing to May GGG is letting Canelo dictate the conditions. He won the last fight, he is the champion, at least demand a rematch sooner. May is too long when GGG probably has 2 years maximum. Personally, I would be a lot more nasty about it all. I would call Oscar the Trump of boxing and Canelo his cloned lookalike. Ask Oscar if he ever dressed up for Adelaide Byrd. You know, spice it all up a little. Tear down the walls. Ask for the judges to be put on camera while the scores are read. All that stuff.
It's no coincidence it's in May it's because of Cinco De Mayo, it's the most lucrative Vegas/American/PPV date in the calendar, one that Oscar exploited for years before Floyd took it and now Canelo. No conspiracy, purely good business.
That’s because Canelo is the A side and he can go elsewhere. What’s GGG going to do, Fight Jacobs again for a lot less money and Potentially lose? Of course not he’ll wait for the super-welterweight like a good boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Will he boat.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoThat’s because Canelo is the A side and he can go elsewhere. What’s GGG going to do, Fight Jacobs again for a lot less money and Potentially lose? Of course not he’ll wait for the super-welterweight like a good boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
GGG will probably pick up the WBO strap or keep himself active in between.
Canelo lost the fight. He has lost several fights now (to the non-blind) and it is a joke that he can still dictate. Should have been a rematch for January or February on Golovkin's terms. Once again, Canelo lost the fight (to the non-blind or utterly incompetent).Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoThat’s because Canelo is the A side and he can go elsewhere. What’s GGG going to do, Fight Jacobs again for a lot less money and Potentially lose? Of course not he’ll wait for the super-welterweight like a good boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
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Originally Posted by GandalfCanelo lost the fight. He has lost several fights now (to the non-blind) and it is a joke that he can still dictate. Should have been a rematch for January or February on Golovkin's terms. Once again, Canelo lost the fight (to the non-blind or utterly incompetent).Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoThat’s because Canelo is the A side and he can go elsewhere. What’s GGG going to do, Fight Jacobs again for a lot less money and Potentially lose? Of course not he’ll wait for the super-welterweight like a good boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
He didn’t lose and has only lost once (check the record books) Golovkin should give Jacobs a rematch instead trying to fight Cotto (another smaller man)
He lost to Trout, Lara, Mayweather and Golovkin. He's pretty lucky with the judges. Golovkin should give SMW a jog IMO. There is nothing more to prove at MW.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfCanelo lost the fight. He has lost several fights now (to the non-blind) and it is a joke that he can still dictate. Should have been a rematch for January or February on Golovkin's terms. Once again, Canelo lost the fight (to the non-blind or utterly incompetent).Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoThat’s because Canelo is the A side and he can go elsewhere. What’s GGG going to do, Fight Jacobs again for a lot less money and Potentially lose? Of course not he’ll wait for the super-welterweight like a good boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
He didn’t lose and has only lost once (check the record books) Golovkin should give Jacobs a rematch instead trying to fight Cotto (another smaller man)
Though to be fair, Jacobs does actually deserve a rematch. Maybe Canelo could rematch Lara. ;):)
He lost to Mayweather, drew with Golovkin and beat both Trout and Lara. Golovkin gets dominated at 168 by Ramirez, Eubank and Degale (he complained about the size of Jacobs)Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfHe lost to Trout, Lara, Mayweather and Golovkin. He's pretty lucky with the judges. Golovkin should give SMW a jog IMO. There is nothing more to prove at MW.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfCanelo lost the fight. He has lost several fights now (to the non-blind) and it is a joke that he can still dictate. Should have been a rematch for January or February on Golovkin's terms. Once again, Canelo lost the fight (to the non-blind or utterly incompetent).Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoThat’s because Canelo is the A side and he can go elsewhere. What’s GGG going to do, Fight Jacobs again for a lot less money and Potentially lose? Of course not he’ll wait for the super-welterweight like a good boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
He didn’t lose and has only lost once (check the record books) Golovkin should give Jacobs a rematch instead trying to fight Cotto (another smaller man)
So Canelo can go elsewhere can he? So where exactly are all these options?Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoThat’s because Canelo is the A side and he can go elsewhere. What’s GGG going to do, Fight Jacobs again for a lot less money and Potentially lose? Of course not he’ll wait for the super-welterweight like a good boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
None of them are options he WANTS to take.
Exactly. He never avenges his admittedly close losses. He's doing this one because at 154 there are men who know they can beat him and 160 is GGG. He cannot go up or down without taking a lot of heat. GGG could rematch Jacobs or move up and people would say 'Cool'. He's nothing to prove. Canelo has a lot to prove as there are question marks aplenty.
He can fight any of the guys who are fighting tonight at a catch weightQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraSo Canelo can go elsewhere can he? So where exactly are all these options?Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoThat’s because Canelo is the A side and he can go elsewhere. What’s GGG going to do, Fight Jacobs again for a lot less money and Potentially lose? Of course not he’ll wait for the super-welterweight like a good boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
None of them are options he WANTS to take.
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Originally Posted by Gandalf
Golovkin has plenty to prove! He blatantly avoided Ward and waited for Alvarez to move up to fight him and when he did GGG failed to beat him. Then there was the close and debatable win against Jacobs. The only two good fighters he fought arguably both beat him so he has plenty to prove at the top level.
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Originally Posted by GaMo
Check the record books Gamo, neither of them beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
If GGG has something to prove against Jacobs then why don't you accept that Canelo has something to prove against Lara and Trout?
Because Canelo isn’t fighting at 154 anymore. Trout has lost three of his last six and will probably be beaten again tonight. Lara is on a nice run but unless he wants to move up to 160 there’s no reason it should happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanQuote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
Check the record books Gamo, neither of them beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
If GGG has something to prove against Jacobs then why don't you accept that Canelo has something to prove against Lara and Trout?
And so because Canelo isn't fighting at 154 that means he isn't avoiding them and he has nothing to proveQuote:
Originally Posted by GaMoBecause Canelo isn’t fighting at 154 anymore. Trout has lost three of his last six and will probably be beaten again tonight. Lara is on a nice run but unless he wants to move up to 160 there’s no reason it should happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by BatmanQuote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
Check the record books Gamo, neither of them beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
If GGG has something to prove against Jacobs then why don't you accept that Canelo has something to prove against Lara and Trout?
Canelo fought at SWW just 12 months ago, I'm sure that he could have quite easily arranged one of his beloved catchweights.
Canelo could have gave Lara a rematch at any point before he moved up to MW but he avoided him
Why is it acceptable for Canelo to get a pass on fighting Lara for being in a different division for 2 fights?
Why is it not acceptable for GGG to get a pass on fighting Ward who has been 2 divisions above him for the past 4 years?
Nobody likes Lara, the man has no fans and there’s nobody calling for that fight (apart from you) Lara was on the run and tried to steal it but Alvarez still out landed him with his power punches 88 to 52 (In a shit fight) Jacobs outlanded Golovkin with his power shots (144 to 126)
I haven't called for the fight, I have asked a question as to why you don't feel that Canelo had anything to prove against him when the general consensus is that Canelo lost the fight, you came up with the excuse that they are in different divisions now and I pointed out that the remained in the same division for a few years after the initial fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
If GGG is avoiding Jacobs then surely the same applies to Canelo.
Your reasoning is that Jacobs 'arguably' beat GGG well if that is the case then Lara 'arguably' beat Canelo therefore he should have had something to prove
You can't just give a standard response of 'check the record books' to defend Canelo and not accept the exact same response for GGG
Okay Golovkin should never fight Jacobs again, is that what you want me to say? I don’t think he ever will so don’t worry yourself ;) nobody wants to see Lara fight Canelo because it was a shitty fight the first time. We’ll see how Lara and Trout look tonight and if either of them deserve another big fight.
Canelo would never risk a fight against Jacob's. His level at middleweight is old Cotto. He only took Triple G because he was boxed into a corner.
Quick point, I don’t think anyone has suggested Canelo beat GGG. I haven’t seen a single person say that. But then again I don’t go out looking for crazy opinions.
Many have suggested Jacobs beat GGG.
These are different situations. Both fighters are chasing the money. That is obvious and they are prize fighters, that should be accepted. What shouldn’t be accepted is fans getting caught up in the BS “It’s the fight for number 1 at middleweight” and such.
Jacobs v GGG is quite clearly the fight for number 1 at middleweight. Unless GGG looks older in the rematch, Canelo clearly wins, then Canelo vs Jacobs is the fight for number 1 at Middleweight. In other words if Canelo clearly wins the rematch we will never see the fight for number 1 at middleweight because Canelo will not fight Jacobs, GGG probably won’t either. But at least maybe
GGG won’t fight him again either so what of it :confused: Alvarez has already stepped up in weight (something GGG will never do)Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Canelo weight meant he was always a middleweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoGGG won’t fight him again either so what of it :confused: Alvarez has already stepped up in weight (something GGG will never do)Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
GGG fought a light heavyweight Jacobs so in that sense he did fight above his weight. :)
You make 160 at the weigh-in then you’re a middleweight. Doesn’t matter how much weight you put on after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterCanelo weight meant he was always a middleweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoGGG won’t fight him again either so what of it :confused: Alvarez has already stepped up in weight (something GGG will never do)Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
GGG fought a light heavyweight Jacobs so in that sense he did fight above his weight. :)
If you are familiar with Master you know the rules are valid or invalid depending on the fighter. Not on the validity of the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoYou make 160 at the weigh-in then you’re a middleweight. Doesn’t matter how much weight you put on after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterCanelo weight meant he was always a middleweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoGGG won’t fight him again either so what of it :confused: Alvarez has already stepped up in weight (something GGG will never do)Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
GGG fought a light heavyweight Jacobs so in that sense he did fight above his weight. :)
Good summary. Canelo clearly lost to GGG but IMO showed that he belongs as a top MW. He is below GGG and Jacobs for sure. He needs to fight another MW to prove his place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Why should or would any of those guys want to fight at a catch weight? I don't think Canelo will be fighting at Catchweights any more either, he is a MW Now.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoHe can fight any of the guys who are fighting tonight at a catch weightQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraSo Canelo can go elsewhere can he? So where exactly are all these options?Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMoThat’s because Canelo is the A side and he can go elsewhere. What’s GGG going to do, Fight Jacobs again for a lot less money and Potentially lose? Of course not he’ll wait for the super-welterweight like a good boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
None of them are options he WANTS to take.
So his only options are :
1. Making one of the LMW's go up a weight. Doubt that happens , they've got enough fights at their proper weight. Charlo might go up, but Canelo won't fight him.
2. Jacobs - he'll avoid that same as GGG has.
3. Saunders - same option as GGG. In reality, it's not an option because Saunders will avoid them both!
So you see, Canelo is running out of dance partners that will cater to Oscar's every whim. I believe that's why he's only fighting twice a year.
Money! It’s as simple as that. Nobody gives a shit about those guys and they’re probably getting paid peanuts tonight. Canelo makes more in one fight than they will combined tonight so of course they would love to fight him and get paid. This is prize fighting after all.Quote:
Why should or would any of those guys want to fight at a catch weight?
If that's the case and they're queuing up, why is he talking a GGG rematch? Because they can't be fucked with Canelo and Oscar any more. That's why Canelo ends up fighting a joke like Khan. That made him a laughing stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
No doubt you'll come back with "same as GGG fighting Brook....." but it's not. GGG didn't want to fight Brook, but your other mate and his Dad shit himself and lost his pen and they never had time to arrange anything else.
Canelo / Khan was a calculated circus act load of bollocks.
Knocking out Khan was funny and it added to both the bank account and the highlight reel. Not sure how knocking a guy cold makes you look bad... but if that’s the logic I’ve come to expect from this place. I honestly don’t care if Alvarez and Golovkin beat up Welterweights as every fighter takes a soft fight now and then. You can defend Golovkin for it but he’s the champion (apparently) he should be defending against people in his own division
Golovkin came for Eubank but had to settle for Brook.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
Canelo fought diva Khan.
Knocking out Khan was funny and it added to both the bank account and the highlight reel. AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
Not sure how knocking a guy cold makes you look bad... but if that’s the logic I’ve come to expect from this place. Well you're in luck as I'll explain it to you. The knockout doesn't make him look bad, the fact that they had to resort to not only fighting somebody 1 1/2 to 2 weights lower, but someone widely recognised as
A. Chinny
B. Feather fisted
C. Not in the top 10 of his own weight ffs. And
D. The closest thing to Lord Lucan in Boxing.
I honestly don’t care if Alvarez and Golovkin beat up Welterweights as every fighter takes a soft fight now and then. Liar! You are forever digging out GGG for fighting Brook!
You can defend Golovkin for it but he’s the champion (apparently) he should be defending against people in his own division See, you do care! Like I said, Golovkin wanted a fight, nobody wanted to fight him. He had to find a late replacement because your mate and his Dad bottled it (I notice you've chose to ignore that fact, because you have no answer as to why your little Bum boy superstar was scared as fuck!;D)
Golovkin has no previous for picking smaller guys , whereas Oscar constantly cherry picked smaller guys than Canelo for fights with his little "Caneloweight" matchups.
That little option has now been shut off as he won't be making less than 160 anytime soon.
So, the only catch weights he'll be doing are between 160 & 168. He's already done The obvious one in JCC Jr. so good luck with that. ;D
Here's a wild idea for Canelo, fight a top contender at middleweight??? Shat even a mid ranker would be fine. This talk of him slinking back to 154-CW or having guys come to him is kinda silly. After all didn't he just "beat" the number 1 man at 160 in some eyes, well maybe two eyes, but hard to argue he proved he more than belongs, won no less but be ok with him running back to his safe-space with a straight face simply because he can make a payday and needs a reset.
Love your post, but... GGG actually actually does have a sizable history of picking smaller guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraKnocking out Khan was funny and it added to both the bank account and the highlight reel. AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by GaMo
Not sure how knocking a guy cold makes you look bad... but if that’s the logic I’ve come to expect from this place. Well you're in luck as I'll explain it to you. The knockout doesn't make him look bad, the fact that they had to resort to not only fighting somebody 1 1/2 to 2 weights lower, but someone widely recognised as
A. Chinny
B. Feather fisted
C. Not in the top 10 of his own weight ffs. And
D. The closest thing to Lord Lucan in Boxing.
I honestly don’t care if Alvarez and Golovkin beat up Welterweights as every fighter takes a soft fight now and then. Liar! You are forever digging out GGG for fighting Brook!
You can defend Golovkin for it but he’s the champion (apparently) he should be defending against people in his own division See, you do care! Like I said, Golovkin wanted a fight, nobody wanted to fight him. He had to find a late replacement because your mate and his Dad bottled it (I notice you've chose to ignore that fact, because you have no answer as to why your little Bum boy superstar was scared as fuck!;D)
Golovkin has no previous for picking smaller guys , whereas Oscar constantly cherry picked smaller guys than Canelo for fights with his little "Caneloweight" matchups.
That little option has now been shut off as he won't be making less than 160 anytime soon.
So, the only catch weights he'll be doing are between 160 & 168. He's already done The obvious one in JCC Jr. so good luck with that. ;D
It'll take place where it'll make the most money. The conditions on the fight will be that both guys will sign up for the fight only if every possible revenue stream is maximised.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Golovkin made more money from the first fight than he had in his entire career. He's now rich and set for life and the rematch will just be a giant top up of his wealth, enough to make sure his family are financially secure for generations if it's invested correctly and none of future Golovkins fuck it up. He won't even care if he loses, he's already been robbed in the first fight and will definitely sign up to get robbed again.
Golovkin has lost a step. People were wondering why he didn't go to the body in the first fight and it's because he couldn't. The ginger has learnt to slip punches and be elusive really well. He's intent on lots of future paydays and would prefer to do them at 155 where he can fight welterweights for big paydays and be offensive without taking risks. Fighting somebody his own weight who is decent he's got to spend the whole fight on the back foot and relying on the judges. Golovkin won't do any better in the second fight. The ginger probably won't either. I would guess we see another twelve rounds the same as the first twelve. If the ginger can keep it a little closer on the cards he'll get the win.