Golovkin v Alvarez rematch May 2018

[Gandalf]

Exactly. He never avenges his admittedly close losses. He's doing this one because at 154 there are men who know they can beat him and 160 is GGG. He cannot go up or down without taking a lot of heat. GGG could rematch Jacobs or move up and people would say 'Cool'. He's nothing to prove. Canelo has a lot to prove as there are question marks aplenty.

[GaMo]

By agreeing to May GGG is letting Canelo dictate the conditions.

That’s because Canelo is the A side and he can go elsewhere. What’s GGG going to do, Fight Jacobs again for a lot less money and Potentially lose? Of course not he’ll wait for the super-welterweight like a good boy.

So Canelo can go elsewhere can he? So where exactly are all these options?
None of them are options he WANTS to take.

He can fight any of the guys who are fighting tonight at a catch weight

[GaMo]

Exactly. He never avenges his admittedly close losses. He's doing this one because at 154 there are men who know they can beat him and 160 is GGG. He cannot go up or down without taking a lot of heat. GGG could rematch Jacobs or move up and people would say 'Cool'. He's nothing to prove. Canelo has a lot to prove as there are question marks aplenty.

Golovkin has plenty to prove! He blatantly avoided Ward and waited for Alvarez to move up to fight him and when he did GGG failed to beat him. Then there was the close and debatable win against Jacobs. The only two good fighters he fought arguably both beat him so he has plenty to prove at the top level.

[Batman]

He didn’t lose and has only lost once (check the record books) Golovkin should give Jacobs a rematch instead trying to fight Cotto (another smaller man)

Golovkin has plenty to prove! He blatantly avoided Ward and waited for Alvarez to move up to fight him and when he did GGG failed to beat him. Then there was the close and debatable win against Jacobs. The only two good fighters he fought arguably both beat him so he has plenty to prove at the top level.

Check the record books Gamo, neither of them beat him.

If GGG has something to prove against Jacobs then why don't you accept that Canelo has something to prove against Lara and Trout?

[GaMo]

He didn’t lose and has only lost once (check the record books) Golovkin should give Jacobs a rematch instead trying to fight Cotto (another smaller man)

Golovkin has plenty to prove! He blatantly avoided Ward and waited for Alvarez to move up to fight him and when he did GGG failed to beat him. Then there was the close and debatable win against Jacobs. The only two good fighters he fought arguably both beat him so he has plenty to prove at the top level.

Check the record books Gamo, neither of them beat him.

If GGG has something to prove against Jacobs then why don't you accept that Canelo has something to prove against Lara and Trout?

Because Canelo isn’t fighting at 154 anymore. Trout has lost three of his last six and will probably be beaten again tonight. Lara is on a nice run but unless he wants to move up to 160 there’s no reason it should happen.

[Batman]

He didn’t lose and has only lost once (check the record books) Golovkin should give Jacobs a rematch instead trying to fight Cotto (another smaller man)

Golovkin has plenty to prove! He blatantly avoided Ward and waited for Alvarez to move up to fight him and when he did GGG failed to beat him. Then there was the close and debatable win against Jacobs. The only two good fighters he fought arguably both beat him so he has plenty to prove at the top level.

Check the record books Gamo, neither of them beat him.

If GGG has something to prove against Jacobs then why don't you accept that Canelo has something to prove against Lara and Trout?

Because Canelo isn’t fighting at 154 anymore. Trout has lost three of his last six and will probably be beaten again tonight. Lara is on a nice run but unless he wants to move up to 160 there’s no reason it should happen.

And so because Canelo isn't fighting at 154 that means he isn't avoiding them and he has nothing to prove
Canelo fought at SWW just 12 months ago, I'm sure that he could have quite easily arranged one of his beloved catchweights.
Canelo could have gave Lara a rematch at any point before he moved up to MW but he avoided him

Why is it acceptable for Canelo to get a pass on fighting Lara for being in a different division for 2 fights?
Why is it not acceptable for GGG to get a pass on fighting Ward who has been 2 divisions above him for the past 4 years?

[GaMo]

Nobody likes Lara, the man has no fans and there’s nobody calling for that fight (apart from you) Lara was on the run and tried to steal it but Alvarez still out landed him with his power punches 88 to 52 (In a shit fight) Jacobs outlanded Golovkin with his power shots (144 to 126)

[Batman]

Nobody likes Lara, the man has no fans and there’s nobody calling for that fight (apart from you) Lara was on the run and tried to steal it but Alvarez still out landed him with his power punches 88 to 52 (In a shit fight) Jacobs outlanded Golovkin with his power shots (144 to 126)

I haven't called for the fight, I have asked a question as to why you don't feel that Canelo had anything to prove against him when the general consensus is that Canelo lost the fight, you came up with the excuse that they are in different divisions now and I pointed out that the remained in the same division for a few years after the initial fight.

If GGG is avoiding Jacobs then surely the same applies to Canelo.

Your reasoning is that Jacobs 'arguably' beat GGG well if that is the case then Lara 'arguably' beat Canelo therefore he should have had something to prove

You can't just give a standard response of 'check the record books' to defend Canelo and not accept the exact same response for GGG

[GaMo]

Okay Golovkin should never fight Jacobs again, is that what you want me to say? I don’t think he ever will so don’t worry yourself nobody wants to see Lara fight Canelo because it was a shitty fight the first time. We’ll see how Lara and Trout look tonight and if either of them deserve another big fight.

[Master]

Canelo would never risk a fight against Jacob's. His level at middleweight is old Cotto. He only took Triple G because he was boxed into a corner.

[Ron Swanson]

Quick point, I don’t think anyone has suggested Canelo beat GGG. I haven’t seen a single person say that. But then again I don’t go out looking for crazy opinions.

Many have suggested Jacobs beat GGG.

These are different situations. Both fighters are chasing the money. That is obvious and they are prize fighters, that should be accepted. What shouldn’t be accepted is fans getting caught up in the BS “It’s the fight for number 1 at middleweight” and such.

Jacobs v GGG is quite clearly the fight for number 1 at middleweight. Unless GGG looks older in the rematch, Canelo clearly wins, then Canelo vs Jacobs is the fight for number 1 at Middleweight. In other words if Canelo clearly wins the rematch we will never see the fight for number 1 at middleweight because Canelo will not fight Jacobs, GGG probably won’t either. But at least maybe

[GaMo]

Canelo would never risk a fight against Jacob's. His level at middleweight is old Cotto. He only took Triple G because he was boxed into a corner.

GGG won’t fight him again either so what of it Alvarez has already stepped up in weight (something GGG will never do)

[Master]

Canelo would never risk a fight against Jacob's. His level at middleweight is old Cotto. He only took Triple G because he was boxed into a corner.

GGG won’t fight him again either so what of it Alvarez has already stepped up in weight (something GGG will never do)

Canelo weight meant he was always a middleweight.

GGG fought a light heavyweight Jacobs so in that sense he did fight above his weight.

[GaMo]

Canelo would never risk a fight against Jacob's. His level at middleweight is old Cotto. He only took Triple G because he was boxed into a corner.

GGG won’t fight him again either so what of it Alvarez has already stepped up in weight (something GGG will never do)

Canelo weight meant he was always a middleweight.

GGG fought a light heavyweight Jacobs so in that sense he did fight above his weight.

You make 160 at the weigh-in then you’re a middleweight. Doesn’t matter how much weight you put on after that.

[Ron Swanson]

Canelo would never risk a fight against Jacob's. His level at middleweight is old Cotto. He only took Triple G because he was boxed into a corner.

GGG won’t fight him again either so what of it Alvarez has already stepped up in weight (something GGG will never do)

Canelo weight meant he was always a middleweight.

GGG fought a light heavyweight Jacobs so in that sense he did fight above his weight.

You make 160 at the weigh-in then you’re a middleweight. Doesn’t matter how much weight you put on after that.

If you are familiar with Master you know the rules are valid or invalid depending on the fighter. Not on the validity of the rules.