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Povetkin has one more run before retirement!
Well, he fell short on his second world title try- First against Wlad and then again against the man who beat Wlad, Anthony Joshua.
There ain't much left for him at this stage aside from becoming a stepping stone OR waiting to see what pans out in the Wilder/Fury fight if AJ does not have next solidified.
I reckon he has one more good run in him if he wants it and then if he fails at that then he should just hang it up. To be honest, he deserves another shot because he has faced better opposition than all of the other challengers and contenders. But, if he cannot beat AJ and if he cannot beat the winner of Wilder/Fury then he will just have to sit it out for a long, looooonnnnggggg time and age will not permit that at this stage with him being 39.
He is a good fighter. But he is in an era where he fought Wlad and got hugged to death and at a time where Wilder and AJ can only be beaten by one another. It's just the way it is...
Unless someone gets stripped, which does not appear to be anytime soon, then the titles are staying with either man for the foreseable future.
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Absolutely not. It was a brave showing but he is done and has been on the slide a while. Think it once again shows the limitations in Joshua though. Ignore the judges, Povetkin was 4-2 up after 6. Maybe Povetkin could fight Ortiz as an oldies show which could be fun, but think he is way past his best now. Too old to be a come forward fighter. He cannot maintain it.
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I think he still makes for some interesting fights, Ortiz, Parker, the Wilder/ Fury loser, even for a guy like Usyk.
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Povetkin is a nightmare for Wilder and Fury (one can't box for toffee, the other can't punch for toffee). However, he has to deal with getting chinned for the first time in his life and he is of the old era.
Out with the old in with the new.
Ortiz would be good for the connoisseur/nerds though.
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Povetkin is a nightmare for Wilder and Fury (one can't box for toffee, the other can't punch for toffee). However, he has to deal with getting chinned for the first time in his life and he is of the old era.
Out with the old in with the new.
Ortiz would be good for the connoisseur/nerds though.
Tell that to Briggs and Oquendo.
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Absolutely not. It was a brave showing but he is done and has been on the slide a while. Think it once again shows the limitations in Joshua though. Ignore the judges, Povetkin was 4-2 up after 6. Maybe Povetkin could fight Ortiz as an oldies show which could be fun, but think he is way past his best now. Too old to be a come forward fighter. He cannot maintain it.
I agree. Those first 4 rounds were his last hurrah.
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Povetkin was very dangerous and really rattled AJ. He can definitely beat the other top fighters under the right conditions. Can Povetkin get up for these other challenges at his state of life? I think he can.
I think Povetkin could beat Whyte and Parker on that performance.
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Povetkin is a nightmare for Wilder and Fury (one can't box for toffee, the other can't punch for toffee). However, he has to deal with getting chinned for the first time in his life and he is of the old era.
Out with the old in with the new.
Ortiz would be good for the connoisseur/nerds though.
Agree with all the above, but reference the last sentence, it doesn’t make enough money.
Although he could still be competitive obviously, I’m not sure at 39 if he could have the desire to carry on for relative peanuts after last night’s payout.
Joshua is undisputedly the Money in the division and once you’ve had that, where do you go?
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I’d love to see Ortiz say he’s willing to go to Russia to hear why Povetkin won’t fight him. Just for the amusement. I’m curious what reasons they would give.
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Povetkin was very dangerous and really rattled AJ. He can definitely beat the other top fighters under the right conditions. Can Povetkin get up for these other challenges at his state of life? I think he can.
I think Povetkin could beat Whyte and Parker on that performance.
I'm not sure he beats either but those are the type of fights that I'd like to see Povetkin in, if he continues. He is still competitive, if not favored against most in the top 20.
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Povetkin reminds me a bit of Adamek in that he can beat most but will fall short against the super heavies due to size and in this case due to age. 39 is no age for most fighters unless you have a slick defence like a Toney or even a Hopkins and always have a plan b and c. Adamek and Povetkin are not those kinds of fighters. Very good at what they do, but you get old. That is where I respect Calzaghe. He knew his style had a time limit and knew when to stop. Few have that kind of sense about them.
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Povetkin is a nightmare for Wilder and Fury (one can't box for toffee, the other can't punch for toffee). However, he has to deal with getting chinned for the first time in his life and he is of the old era.
Out with the old in with the new.
Ortiz would be good for the connoisseur/nerds though.
Agree with all the above, but reference the last sentence, it doesn’t make enough money.
Although he could still be competitive obviously, I’m not sure at 39 if he could have the desire to carry on for relative peanuts after last night’s payout.
Joshua is undisputedly the Money in the division and once you’ve had that, where do you go?
Yes Povetkin does great business himself in Russia, he's certainly not short of a few quid, his mob even forced Wlad to Russia with a whopping $25 million purse bid. And before that he spent years with the Sauerlands headlining big German cards.
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Povetkin reminds me a bit of Adamek in that he can beat most but will fall short against the super heavies due to size and in this case due to age. 39 is no age for most fighters unless you have a slick defence like a Toney or even a Hopkins and always have a plan b and c. Adamek and Povetkin are not those kinds of fighters. Very good at what they do, but you get old. That is where I respect Calzaghe. He knew his style had a time limit and knew when to stop. Few have that kind of sense about them.
Nice arrempt to rewrite history. He has lost to Wlad and Joshua. That's it.
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Povetkin wants a title. He is 39 years old. Time is ticking. He has one more good, solid run for A TITLE before he becomes just a punching bag.
He should not angle himself for the winner of Fury/Wilder if the AJ angle does not work out.
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Who would be interested in seeing Usyk vs Povetkin after the Bellew fight?
Povetkin has been saying he is fighting in the UK in Apr. That's a damn good test for Usyk at heavy.
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Who would be interested in seeing Usyk vs Povetkin after the Bellew fight?
Povetkin has been saying he is fighting in the UK in Apr. That's a damn good test for Usyk at heavy.
That is to tough a first fight for Usyk at heavyweight. Give him time to get use to the weight.
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Who would be interested in seeing Usyk vs Povetkin after the Bellew fight?
Povetkin has been saying he is fighting in the UK in Apr. That's a damn good test for Usyk at heavy.
That is to tough a first fight for Usyk at heavyweight. Give him time to get use to the weight.
I don't think Povetkin would take the Usyk fight in his first bout back after AJ, but if he is fighting in the UK, there is the potential he could sign with DAZN and Hearn in a co-promotion type deal. That could lead to Usyk.
You could argue that Usyk is already a top 10 heavy.
As soon as he moves up, he enters the ratings.
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Who would be interested in seeing Usyk vs Povetkin after the Bellew fight?
Povetkin has been saying he is fighting in the UK in Apr. That's a damn good test for Usyk at heavy.
That is to tough a first fight for Usyk at heavyweight. Give him time to get use to the weight.
I don't think Povetkin would take the Usyk fight in his first bout back after AJ, but if he is fighting in the UK, there is the potential he could sign with DAZN and Hearn in a co-promotion type deal. That could lead to Usyk.
You could argue that Usyk is already a top 10 heavy.
As soon as he moves up, he enters the ratings.
True but Bellew to Povetkin is a big jump. I am thinking someone like Dave Allen. :)
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Who would be interested in seeing Usyk vs Povetkin after the Bellew fight?
Povetkin has been saying he is fighting in the UK in Apr. That's a damn good test for Usyk at heavy.
That is to tough a first fight for Usyk at heavyweight. Give him time to get use to the weight.
I don't think Povetkin would take the Usyk fight in his first bout back after AJ, but if he is fighting in the UK, there is the potential he could sign with DAZN and Hearn in a co-promotion type deal. That could lead to Usyk.
You could argue that Usyk is already a top 10 heavy.
As soon as he moves up, he enters the ratings.
True but Bellew to Povetkin is a big jump. I am thinking someone like Dave Allen. :)
Oh f-ck me.
Usyk will dominate at heavyweight.
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Who would be interested in seeing Usyk vs Povetkin after the Bellew fight?
Povetkin has been saying he is fighting in the UK in Apr. That's a damn good test for Usyk at heavy.
That is to tough a first fight for Usyk at heavyweight. Give him time to get use to the weight.
I don't think Povetkin would take the Usyk fight in his first bout back after AJ, but if he is fighting in the UK, there is the potential he could sign with DAZN and Hearn in a co-promotion type deal. That could lead to Usyk.
You could argue that Usyk is already a top 10 heavy.
As soon as he moves up, he enters the ratings.
True but Bellew to Povetkin is a big jump. I am thinking someone like Dave Allen. :)
Oh f-ck me.
Usyk will dominate at heavyweight.
That is a big call considering he will be a small heavyweight against these super heavyweights like AJ, Wilder and Fury. I am not so confident.
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Who would be interested in seeing Usyk vs Povetkin after the Bellew fight?
Povetkin has been saying he is fighting in the UK in Apr. That's a damn good test for Usyk at heavy.
That is to tough a first fight for Usyk at heavyweight. Give him time to get use to the weight.
I don't think Povetkin would take the Usyk fight in his first bout back after AJ, but if he is fighting in the UK, there is the potential he could sign with DAZN and Hearn in a co-promotion type deal. That could lead to Usyk.
You could argue that Usyk is already a top 10 heavy.
As soon as he moves up, he enters the ratings.
True but Bellew to Povetkin is a big jump. I am thinking someone like Dave Allen. :)
Oh f-ck me.
Usyk will dominate at heavyweight.
That is a big call considering he will be a small heavyweight against these super heavyweights like AJ, Wilder and Fury. I am not so confident.
Mark it down, save the thread.
Usyk has already beat guys like Mihai Nistor (who owned AJ) in what was basically a pro fight at heavy.
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Usyk is a great talent, but seems to rely a little too much oh physicality to beat the top few hws around,for me. These are much bigger men.
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Who would be interested in seeing Usyk vs Povetkin after the Bellew fight?
Povetkin has been saying he is fighting in the UK in Apr. That's a damn good test for Usyk at heavy.
That is to tough a first fight for Usyk at heavyweight. Give him time to get use to the weight.
I don't think Povetkin would take the Usyk fight in his first bout back after AJ, but if he is fighting in the UK, there is the potential he could sign with DAZN and Hearn in a co-promotion type deal. That could lead to Usyk.
You could argue that Usyk is already a top 10 heavy.
As soon as he moves up, he enters the ratings.
True but Bellew to Povetkin is a big jump. I am thinking someone like Dave Allen. :)
Oh f-ck me.
Usyk will dominate at heavyweight.
That is a big call considering he will be a small heavyweight against these super heavyweights like AJ, Wilder and Fury. I am not so confident.
Mark it down, save the thread.
Usyk has already beat guys like Mihai Nistor (who owned AJ) in what was basically a pro fight at heavy.
I hope you are right but I will be the first to let you know how wrong you have been when he loses. :)
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Who would be interested in seeing Usyk vs Povetkin after the Bellew fight?
Povetkin has been saying he is fighting in the UK in Apr. That's a damn good test for Usyk at heavy.
That is to tough a first fight for Usyk at heavyweight. Give him time to get use to the weight.
I don't think Povetkin would take the Usyk fight in his first bout back after AJ, but if he is fighting in the UK, there is the potential he could sign with DAZN and Hearn in a co-promotion type deal. That could lead to Usyk.
You could argue that Usyk is already a top 10 heavy.
As soon as he moves up, he enters the ratings.
True but Bellew to Povetkin is a big jump. I am thinking someone like Dave Allen. :)
Oh f-ck me.
Usyk will dominate at heavyweight.
That is a big call considering he will be a small heavyweight against these super heavyweights like AJ, Wilder and Fury. I am not so confident.
Mark it down, save the thread.
Usyk has already beat guys like Mihai Nistor (who owned AJ) in what was basically a pro fight at heavy.
I hope you are right but I will be the first to let you know how wrong you have been when he loses. :)
I'm sure you will, but if he dares to be great and takes the big fights at heavy that's all I can ask of him.
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ThAts just a way of sneaking around being wrong:p
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ThAts just a way of sneaking around being wrong:p
I've been wrong to many times in this sport to worry about that, anyone who says they haven't is lying.
For anyone really interested to see what Usyk can do at heavyweight, I'd suggest watching his World Series of boxing fights.
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ThAts just a way of sneaking around being wrong:p
I've been wrong to many times in this sport to worry about that, anyone who says they haven't is lying.
For anyone really interested to see what Usyk can do at heavyweight, I'd suggest watching his World Series of boxing fights.
Usyk is a top class ameteur and professional boxer who is skilled, southpaw and has speed to carry up at heavyweight and make them dizzy. He will have to win on points against the very best. I can not see him do that against them. He will get caught.
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ThAts just a way of sneaking around being wrong:p
I've been wrong to many times in this sport to worry about that, anyone who says they haven't is lying.
For anyone really interested to see what Usyk can do at heavyweight, I'd suggest watching his World Series of boxing fights.
Usyk is a top class ameteur and professional boxer who is skilled, southpaw and has speed to carry up at heavyweight and make them dizzy. He will have to win on points against the very best. I can not see him do that against them. He will get caught.
But what are you basing that on? You seem pretty high on AJ, and I already pointed out that Usyk dealt with a guy who stopped AJ. He dealt with Huck (all be it, a more past it Huck) who should have got the nod over Povetkin, he dealt with Hunter, who exposed Ilunga, he dealt with Glowacki, who defeated Cunningham, who had some success at heavy. And I'm just touching the surface here.
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ThAts just a way of sneaking around being wrong:p
I've been wrong to many times in this sport to worry about that, anyone who says they haven't is lying.
For anyone really interested to see what Usyk can do at heavyweight, I'd suggest watching his World Series of boxing fights.
I was only joking, but I have watched them all I believe. Unless I’m wrong, he hasn’t been in with anyone to compete at hw before? I think usyk would do well in general at hw and beat a lot of contenders, and that he’s technically better,naturally, just that the top few guys are so much bigger it would be a different world.
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ThAts just a way of sneaking around being wrong:p
I've been wrong to many times in this sport to worry about that, anyone who says they haven't is lying.
For anyone really interested to see what Usyk can do at heavyweight, I'd suggest watching his World Series of boxing fights.
I was only joking, but I have watched them all I believe. Unless I’m wrong,
he hasn’t been in with anyone to compete at hw before? I think usyk would do well in general at hw and beat a lot of contenders, and that he’s technically better,naturally, just that the top few guys are so much bigger it would be a different world.
All good I know, not sure what you mean by the highlighted part. Those fights were all at heavyweight and basically pro fights. Junior Fa is an unbeaten heavy prospect at the moment, Joyce is also, plus the guys I mentioned previously to Master that have had some success over former heavies.
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I guess I’m out to lunch here, I assumed you meant the WBss to be the cruiser tournament he just won. Do recall hearing about the other thing since you brought it up, but was it truly fighting top hws in a pro format?
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I guess I’m out to lunch here, I assumed you meant the WBss to be the cruiser tournament he just won. Do recall hearing about the other thing since you brought it up, but was it truly fighting top hws in a pro format?
There are many who feel the World Series of Boxing fights should be added to their pro records. Apart from singlets it's as close to pro as possible, no head gear, 10 to 12 oz gloves, 5 rounds, 10 point must system. He had 6 fights in that format at heavy. Like I said, Fa is now 15-0 as a pro, Joyce is 6-0, Majidov had an excellent amateur career which included a win over AJ. And Mihai Nistor stopped AJ.
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Povetkin-Uysk makes sense but where does an English promoter with a massive USA TV deal put that on? Uysk-Joyce rematch would be a great little seller for a major fight (AJ) undercard though.
Chisora, Allen or Whyte must be odds-on for Povetkin. Fat baby Miller would be a great setup for an AJ shot.
