Am I the only one who still wants to see Wilder vs Joshua?

Wilder isn't completely done, IMO.

3rd fight vs Fury? No. Fury has already proven he's better than Wilder on any given day of the week.

But that bandwagon doesn't automatically include the sidelines-sitting Joshua, who can now crow about not needing Wilder from the safety of his couch.

In boxing, everyone knows that just because A>B, that don't mean that C can come prancing in claiming C>B also. That has to be proven in the ring.

I'd actually like Wilder's (at 100%) chances against Joshua.

Joshua ain't Fury. He doesn't have the ring smarts..... he doesn't have the same style..... he DEFINITELY doesn't have the same chin, nor the willingness to put it out there.



But..... boxing's all about posturing these days...... and Joshua can now claim he doesn't "need" Wilder which I guess in reality he doesn't. PHEW!!!!!!!

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Right now Fury is probably Joshua's favorite person in the world. He got him off the hook from ever having to face Wilder.

Too bad.

It would still be a pretty big fight, just not as big as this time yesterday.

I too don't believe Wilder is done, he's just not as good as Tyson Fury.

I'd make Joshua a favourite over him though, especially as he now seems to be able to box & has a plan B.

Wilder has a plan A & then there are no more letters in the alphabet as far as he's concerned.

Yes because I still want to match up the best fighters whether they are #1 and #2 in the division or not. Wilder shouldn’t take a Joshua fight next though. Take a tune up first. If Wilder loses then it is what it is. He made a ton of money in his career and proved to not be able to hang with the top guys.

Despite what happened to Wilder though, it would still be considered a big win for Joshua. If Wilder won, it would get him back to the top.

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It would still be a pretty big fight, just not as big as this time yesterday.

I too don't believe Wilder is done, he's just not as good as Tyson Fury.

I'd make Joshua a favourite over him though, especially as he now seems to be able to box & has a plan B.

Wilder has a plan A & then there are no more letters in the alphabet as far as he's concerned.

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LOL. No. Not even a Plan A 1/2.

I'd favor Wilder initially, unless Joshua decided to use Fury's tactic and press forward, forcing Wilder to play defense and fight off his back foot.

Only problem is I don't think Joshua would press forward and risk getting tagged. Fury proved (especially to himself) that he could take a punch from Wilder, something not very many heavyweights can do.

Joshua has proven no such thing yet.

It would be interesting nonetheless.

No I do too but fury v Joshua has to happen.

A British unification fight ffs. We need it.

I half think Joshua should cancel the Pulev fight in case....

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Wilder isn't completely done, IMO.

3rd fight vs Fury? No. Fury has already proven he's better than Wilder on any given day of the week.

But that bandwagon doesn't automatically include the sidelines-sitting Joshua, who can now crow about not needing Wilder from the safety of his couch.

In boxing, everyone knows that just because A>B, that don't mean that C can come prancing in claiming C>B also. That has to be proven in the ring.

I'd actually like Wilder's (at 100%) chances against Joshua.

Joshua ain't Fury. He doesn't have the ring smarts..... he doesn't have the same style..... he DEFINITELY doesn't have the same chin, nor the willingness to put it out there.



But..... boxing's all about posturing these days...... and Joshua can now claim he doesn't "need" Wilder which I guess in reality he doesn't. PHEW!!!!!!!

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Right now Fury is probably Joshua's favorite person in the world. He got him off the hook from ever having to face Wilder.

Too bad.

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If you think fighting everyone he has including Wlad and then a rematch with Ruiz is evidence of Joshua not being willing to "put it out there" or evidence of him "posturing" then you obviously already have your mind made up.

It is nuts how already within 24hrs Wilder losing is now supposedly evidence of Joshua ducking him from his couch sofa, when we all know that is complete bullshit. Whatever way you look at it Joshua is a better boxer then Wilder but Wilder is probably going to trigger the rematch clause allowing him to avoid challenging AJ for the other belts and proving one way or another who is the better fighter.

I seem to recall you saying you were not even going to watch the AJ/Ruiz rematch because you had heard it was boring.


An all British showdown for all the belts and a chance to be the true lineal champ would dwarf the feeble American crowds and be a great spectacle that does not require Wilder.

AJ did avoid Wilder and was more responble for the fight not happening.

The fight has gone now and I can not see them ever facing one another.

We'll probably end up with an all British showdown to unify the title just like we wanted..... held in Saudi Arabia...

Wilder is still a beast to reckon; he's definitely not done and I think that a fight with Joshua could be all fireworks. He has to start working more with his jab though, and I think he needs to focus on his mental a bit more; he did look pretty "I am done" after the third round and hasn't tried anything significative to turn the tables, if you ask me.

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We'll probably end up with an all British showdown to unify the title just like we wanted..... held in Saudi Arabia...

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The Mecca of boxing.

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AJ did avoid Wilder and was more responble for the fight not happening.

The fight has gone now and I can not see them ever facing one another.

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Ha! no he didn't.

Fury/AJ is the fight now. If Wilder could get himself back together it would be good in the future. But, Wilder seems like the type that will jump right back in with Tyson and that might be the end of the best version of Wilder.

I've dogged Wilder for years but really didn't like seeing him take that much punishment. He had zero plan or answers and think he needs to retool and ffs get away from that whorish hype of 'the most devastating right hand in modern boxing'. It was getting just silly. Take some time and explore what just basically happened back to back with Fury. That said I'd rather have Joshua and Wilder over Joshua v Pulev but seriously can't see Joshua clamoring for Wilder right away nor should he. Credit to Joshua he came back and revamped his approach and improved skill set, it's Wilders turn. AJ v Fury is the fight that must happen hands down.

deontay has never been any good. he has power & has been matched safely. the tyson he fought in the rematch is the closest to a peak worldclass fighter he has fought & we saw what happened. i would like to see all these guys fight each other but aj bombs out deontay

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AJ did avoid Wilder and was more responble for the fight not happening.

The fight has gone now and I can not see them ever facing one another.

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Ahh... once again the voice of reason.

TBH, any of us claiming Joshua ducked Wilder OR Wilder ducked Joshua is merely speculating...... nothing more.

I merely stated (and will continue stating) that when Fury swooped in and took the fight Joshua hadn't been capable (or willing) of making..... it just didn't look good on Joshua.

Had Fury swooped in and fought AJ instead, Joshua fans would've redoubled their claims that it was Wilder ducking AJ all along.



Who gives a shit at this point who ducked who?

The fact remains that AJ doesn't "need" Wilder anymore, and will never have to find out if he could indeed beat Wilder like Fury did.

No fanboy-ism....... just facts.

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AJ did avoid Wilder and was more responble for the fight not happening.

The fight has gone now and I can not see them ever facing one another.

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How the fuck do you work that out??

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AJ did avoid Wilder and was more responble for the fight not happening.

The fight has gone now and I can not see them ever facing one another.

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How the fuck do you work that out??

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I say that because AJ had the power/money/belts/network on his side so could have made a serious enough offer to unify the title if he really wanted it.

Wilder may never be the same again a busted eardrum takes some recovery remember he has to take punches to the head also his shield of invincibility has a flaw ! AJ lost but regained his title difference AJ did not take a beating were Wilder did interesting. This moment in time Fury is the man so Fury can call the shots undefeated really you have to say many great fights to be made.!

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Wilder may never be the same again a busted eardrum takes some recovery remember he has to take punches to the head also his shield of invincibility has a flaw ! AJ lost but regained his title difference AJ did not take a beating were Wilder did interesting. This moment in time Fury is the man so Fury can call the shots undefeated really you have to say many great fights to be made.!

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AJ himself may beg to differ. ;D

In any case, I'm reading it may not have been a busted eardrum but a cut inside his ear. Don't know how the hell that happens... but it did.

Still... the beating was wicked, and Wilder needs to take some time off, plus come back with a tuneup.

No matter what either of them does, Wilder Joshua is still a shoot out. Wilder will do what Wilder does and AJ is more susceptible to it. The flip side is that Wilder might get hammered worse than he did against Fury up against a legit super heavy with power.

Always 50/50

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AJ did avoid Wilder and was more responble for the fight not happening.

The fight has gone now and I can not see them ever facing one another.

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How the fuck do you work that out??

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I say that because AJ had the power/money/belts/network on his side so could have made a serious enough offer to unify the title if he really wanted it.

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Nah mate, it doesn’t work like that. Wilder’s demands were a piss take. He was offered 5 TIMES MORE than he had ever earnt.
When people like you say “just pay him what it takes” , I wonder if you would do that with your money?
Life ain’t like that.
None of us like this ”A side, B side” business, but that’s life. Joshua was bringing all the money making to the table and he’s expected to give Wilder more than what he’s worth? Nah.

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AJ did avoid Wilder and was more responble for the fight not happening.

The fight has gone now and I can not see them ever facing one another.

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How the fuck do you work that out??

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I say that because AJ had the power/money/belts/network on his side so could have made a serious enough offer to unify the title if he really wanted it.

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Nah mate, it doesn’t work like that. Wilder’s demands were a piss take. He was offered 5 TIMES MORE than he had ever earnt.
When people like you say “just pay him what it takes” , I wonder if you would do that with your money?
Life ain’t like that.
None of us like this ”A side, B side” business, but that’s life. Joshua was bringing all the money making to the table and he’s expected to give Wilder more than what he’s worth? Nah.

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AJ overpaid to win the title against Charles Martin. Other fighters have had to do it to win titles or unify titles.

The majority of the power was with AJ and if he really wanted to do it he could have become undisputed champion.

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AJ did avoid Wilder and was more responble for the fight not happening.

The fight has gone now and I can not see them ever facing one another.

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How the fuck do you work that out??

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I say that because AJ had the power/money/belts/network on his side so could have made a serious enough offer to unify the title if he really wanted it.

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Nah mate, it doesn’t work like that. Wilder’s demands were a piss take. He was offered 5 TIMES MORE than he had ever earnt.
When people like you say “just pay him what it takes” , I wonder if you would do that with your money?
Life ain’t like that.
None of us like this ”A side, B side” business, but that’s life. Joshua was bringing all the money making to the table and he’s expected to give Wilder more than what he’s worth? Nah.

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AJ overpaid to win the title against Charles Martin. Other fighters have had to do it to win titles or unify titles.

The majority of the power was with AJ and if he really wanted to do it he could have become undisputed champion.

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Yes he did. And Eddie said as much and said “we’re not gonna do that every time , now we’ve got the belt , we don’t need to.
So do you think he should overpay every time? Would you do that in his position? Does Canelo overpay?
Come on @Master, for fucks sake.

It's always the same shit with these fighters.

You've got way more money than you will EVER need in 10 lifetimes..... yet you claim you don't want to overpay..... thus giving you a ready-made excuse not to face X or Y.

Never mind that you've got public opinion weighing in on your decisions, and public perception is after all..... part of the game.

That's bull.

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AJ did avoid Wilder and was more responble for the fight not happening.

The fight has gone now and I can not see them ever facing one another.

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How the fuck do you work that out??

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I say that because AJ had the power/money/belts/network on his side so could have made a serious enough offer to unify the title if he really wanted it.

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Nah mate, it doesn’t work like that. Wilder’s demands were a piss take. He was offered 5 TIMES MORE than he had ever earnt.
When people like you say “just pay him what it takes” , I wonder if you would do that with your money?
Life ain’t like that.
None of us like this ”A side, B side” business, but that’s life. Joshua was bringing all the money making to the table and he’s expected to give Wilder more than what he’s worth? Nah.

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AJ overpaid to win the title against Charles Martin. Other fighters have had to do it to win titles or unify titles.

The majority of the power was with AJ and if he really wanted to do it he could have become undisputed champion.

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Yes he did. And Eddie said as much and said “we’re not gonna do that every time , now we’ve got the belt , we don’t need to.
So do you think he should overpay every time? Would you do that in his position? Does Canelo overpay?
Come on @Master, for fucks sake.

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If AJ never becomes undisputed champion he has only himself to blame. No matter how much money you have in the bank it does not buy you a legacy in boxing.

No wonder AJ hates Lennox, his criticism hurts.

As Primo said it's easy to say these things. Our perspectives are slightly different. Stick millions of quids in my bank overnight and I'll fight the next guy for fuck all, bring it on. Saying you've got the biggest pile of cash so you should make things happen is a bit too over simplistic. Saying you paid through the nose once, you should do it again is also a bit basic.

Some of us pretend to know the skinny on the Joshua Wilder 'negotiations'. Truth is we don't, it's speculation and nothing more.

Not that the truth matters to these clowns (AJ would fight for free if he was a real man) but Lou DiBella was sacked and blacklisted for setting up a meeting between Wilder, Haymon, Finkel and John Skipper (DAZN) to make the AJ fight for a $100 million.

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/6...nthony-joshua/

You saw Saturday night why this geezer has been protected all his career from anyone with a pulse and a dig (under 50).

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As Primo said it's easy to say these things. Our perspectives are slightly different. Stick millions of quids in my bank overnight and I'll fight the next guy for fuck all, bring it on. Saying you've got the biggest pile of cash so you should make things happen is a bit too over simplistic. Saying you paid through the nose once, you should do it again is also a bit basic.

Some of us pretend to know the skinny on the Joshua Wilder 'negotiations'. Truth is we don't, it's speculation and nothing more.

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Yeah... I said as much myself.

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TBH, any of us claiming Joshua ducked Wilder OR Wilder ducked Joshua is merely speculating...... nothing more.

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Who gives a shit at this point who ducked who?

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I added my thoughts that Fury taking the Wilder fight looked worse for Joshua than it did for Wilder.... but the truth of the matter is nobody knows who ducked who, if there was any ducking at all.


On the financial aspect, sure..... it's a business. Fighters will of course look to maximize their earnings over their lifetimes. But it's also true that at that level, most fighters make more money than they or the future half dozen generations will be able to spend. Of course that doesn't mean they need to fight for free. But once you've dispensed with the "I just want to support my family" aspect of it, is it wrong to expect them to care about their legacy in the history of boxing? Too many on here pretend to be the de facto financial managers of these fighters when in truth they're just as removed from reality as the rest of us are. Why talk about legacies and places in history, if you're just going to squash potential career defining fights with ridiculous offers and squabble over 5 percentage points?

AJ and Wilder wouldn't have agreed to a fight at any stage. They had plenty of chances to make the fight but neither guy truly wanted it.

it would make sense for wilder to go after AJ now and rebuild himself. He still has a chance of landing his power on AJ and it's a 50-50 fight unlike the afury fight which is pretty much a guaranteed Ko loss.

PBC will probably stick him in with Ruiz if it's not the trilogy with Fury

It was continuous merry go round until Fury came back and threw a spanner in the works.

Now AJ and Wilder have both tasted defeat so their power and standing has diminished. Fury is now the rightful, recognised number 1. He is a rich and MAN took on a rosky fight and came out on top.

The landscape could have been much different is these two, their teams, managers, promoters and tv backing stopped fannying about avoiding the fight for a couple of years.

But all that said, AJ-Wilder is still the most explosive bout in sport and I would deffo want to see it! Now that they are vying for a spot at the top table with Fury, maybe it will just happen!

One scenario where AJ and Wilder may fight, is if Tyson beats AJ. This fight may happen this time next year if not sooner.

In that scenario Tyson would be undisputed Champ, with neither AJ or Wilder having any titles. They would then fight for the right to face Fury once again.

Again in that scenario, Tyson may retire after becoming undisputed. But I'd say stick around until both AJ and Wilder are actually in the ring together and then announce retirement to make the titles vacant, otherwise the AJ and wilder fight will not happen.

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It was continuous merry go round until Fury came back and threw a spanner in the works.

Now AJ and Wilder have both tasted defeat so their power and standing has diminished. Fury is now the rightful, recognised number 1. He is a rich and MAN took on a rosky fight and came out on top.

The landscape could have been much different is these two, their teams, managers, promoters and tv backing stopped fannying about avoiding the fight for a couple of years.

But all that said, AJ-Wilder is still the most explosive bout in sport and I would deffo want to see it! Now that they are vying for a spot at the top table with Fury, maybe it will just happen!

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I agree totally with this, except maybe the last sentence. Wilder and Joshua DID "fanny about", avoiding the fight for a couple of years. Now each has suffered devastating losses that have diminished their standing.

I also agree that Wilder-Joshua WOULD be the most explosive bout in boxing at this time. And as I said from the opening..... I'd love to see it.

But I'm less than optimistic on whether it will happen.

Wilder-Joshua will not happen unless...........

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One scenario where AJ and Wider may fight, is if Tyson beats AJ. This fight may happen this time next year if not sooner.

In that scenario Tyson would be undisputed Champ, with neither AJ or Wilder having any titles. They would then fight for the right to face Fury once again.

Again in that scenario, Tyson may retire after becoming undisputed. But I'd say stick around until both AJ and Wilder are actually in the ring together and then announce retirement to make the titles vacant, otherwise the AJ and wilder fight will not happen.

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Yes. The only way Joshua ever steps into a ring with Wilder is if he loses to Fury. And even then, it's an iffy proposition.

If Joshua somehow gets past Fury, then Wilder can just forget it. He'll never get a shot at AJ.