Am I the only one who still wants to see Wilder vs Joshua?

[Memphis]

As Primo said it's easy to say these things. Our perspectives are slightly different. Stick millions of quids in my bank overnight and I'll fight the next guy for fuck all, bring it on. Saying you've got the biggest pile of cash so you should make things happen is a bit too over simplistic. Saying you paid through the nose once, you should do it again is also a bit basic.

Some of us pretend to know the skinny on the Joshua Wilder 'negotiations'. Truth is we don't, it's speculation and nothing more.

[Fenster]

Not that the truth matters to these clowns (AJ would fight for free if he was a real man) but Lou DiBella was sacked and blacklisted for setting up a meeting between Wilder, Haymon, Finkel and John Skipper (DAZN) to make the AJ fight for a $100 million.

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/6...nthony-joshua/

You saw Saturday night why this geezer has been protected all his career from anyone with a pulse and a dig (under 50).

[TitoFan]

As Primo said it's easy to say these things. Our perspectives are slightly different. Stick millions of quids in my bank overnight and I'll fight the next guy for fuck all, bring it on. Saying you've got the biggest pile of cash so you should make things happen is a bit too over simplistic. Saying you paid through the nose once, you should do it again is also a bit basic.

Some of us pretend to know the skinny on the Joshua Wilder 'negotiations'. Truth is we don't, it's speculation and nothing more.

Yeah... I said as much myself.

TBH, any of us claiming Joshua ducked Wilder OR Wilder ducked Joshua is merely speculating...... nothing more.

Who gives a shit at this point who ducked who?

I added my thoughts that Fury taking the Wilder fight looked worse for Joshua than it did for Wilder.... but the truth of the matter is nobody knows who ducked who, if there was any ducking at all.


On the financial aspect, sure..... it's a business. Fighters will of course look to maximize their earnings over their lifetimes. But it's also true that at that level, most fighters make more money than they or the future half dozen generations will be able to spend. Of course that doesn't mean they need to fight for free. But once you've dispensed with the "I just want to support my family" aspect of it, is it wrong to expect them to care about their legacy in the history of boxing? Too many on here pretend to be the de facto financial managers of these fighters when in truth they're just as removed from reality as the rest of us are. Why talk about legacies and places in history, if you're just going to squash potential career defining fights with ridiculous offers and squabble over 5 percentage points?

[GAME]

AJ and Wilder wouldn't have agreed to a fight at any stage. They had plenty of chances to make the fight but neither guy truly wanted it.

it would make sense for wilder to go after AJ now and rebuild himself. He still has a chance of landing his power on AJ and it's a 50-50 fight unlike the afury fight which is pretty much a guaranteed Ko loss.

PBC will probably stick him in with Ruiz if it's not the trilogy with Fury

[TonnnnUK]

It was continuous merry go round until Fury came back and threw a spanner in the works.

Now AJ and Wilder have both tasted defeat so their power and standing has diminished. Fury is now the rightful, recognised number 1. He is a rich and MAN took on a rosky fight and came out on top.

The landscape could have been much different is these two, their teams, managers, promoters and tv backing stopped fannying about avoiding the fight for a couple of years.

But all that said, AJ-Wilder is still the most explosive bout in sport and I would deffo want to see it! Now that they are vying for a spot at the top table with Fury, maybe it will just happen!

[sanatogen]

One scenario where AJ and Wilder may fight, is if Tyson beats AJ. This fight may happen this time next year if not sooner.

In that scenario Tyson would be undisputed Champ, with neither AJ or Wilder having any titles. They would then fight for the right to face Fury once again.

Again in that scenario, Tyson may retire after becoming undisputed. But I'd say stick around until both AJ and Wilder are actually in the ring together and then announce retirement to make the titles vacant, otherwise the AJ and wilder fight will not happen.

[TitoFan]

It was continuous merry go round until Fury came back and threw a spanner in the works.

Now AJ and Wilder have both tasted defeat so their power and standing has diminished. Fury is now the rightful, recognised number 1. He is a rich and MAN took on a rosky fight and came out on top.

The landscape could have been much different is these two, their teams, managers, promoters and tv backing stopped fannying about avoiding the fight for a couple of years.

But all that said, AJ-Wilder is still the most explosive bout in sport and I would deffo want to see it! Now that they are vying for a spot at the top table with Fury, maybe it will just happen!

I agree totally with this, except maybe the last sentence. Wilder and Joshua DID "fanny about", avoiding the fight for a couple of years. Now each has suffered devastating losses that have diminished their standing.

I also agree that Wilder-Joshua WOULD be the most explosive bout in boxing at this time. And as I said from the opening..... I'd love to see it.

But I'm less than optimistic on whether it will happen.

Wilder-Joshua will not happen unless...........

One scenario where AJ and Wider may fight, is if Tyson beats AJ. This fight may happen this time next year if not sooner.

In that scenario Tyson would be undisputed Champ, with neither AJ or Wilder having any titles. They would then fight for the right to face Fury once again.

Again in that scenario, Tyson may retire after becoming undisputed. But I'd say stick around until both AJ and Wilder are actually in the ring together and then announce retirement to make the titles vacant, otherwise the AJ and wilder fight will not happen.

Yes. The only way Joshua ever steps into a ring with Wilder is if he loses to Fury. And even then, it's an iffy proposition.

If Joshua somehow gets past Fury, then Wilder can just forget it. He'll never get a shot at AJ.