WTF is stopping Canelo from fighting Benavidez?

Ok enough with the fukking excuses already. Benavidez is the elephant in the room... and no one seems to give a damn. Last I heard Benavidez is offering $50M to Ginger. What's the holdup?

But no... we're focused on Benavidez fighting David Morrell... while Canelo gets just a tad older and seeks some "gimmes" to round out his Hollywood resume.

Here are the different scenarios for Canelo:

1. Fighting Benavidez

Canelo knows he'll get his ass kicked... and he already had enough of that with Bivol. Any more of that... and it may mess with his movie deals down the line. So no... Canelo will continue ignoring the elephant in the room.

2. Fighting Bivol

Canelo insists on the rematch at 175. Bivol had said he wanted it at 168... but appears to have lost interest. WTF... he was the one who kicked Canelo's ass. Why should Canelo call the shots? Personally... I'd love for Bivol to KTFO Canelo in either weight. But all indications are it ain't gonna happen.

3. Fighting Berlanga

AHH... this is clearly the one that's gonna happen. Why they haven't announced this already is beyond me.
Look at all the upsides:

• Berlanga is overly hyped and INEXPLICABLY ranked in the top 10 by two of the boxing orgs.
• Berlanga is Puerto Rican, thus providing the perfect opponent for the famed "PR-Mexico" rivalry. Unfortunately... Berlanga is a hype job who will soon enough come crashing down.
• Perfect win for Ginger to go riding off into the sunset without having faced a real danger at 168 pounds.

You heard it here first. Canelo will face Berlanga as his next opponent. That will bring him to 60 wins. A good round number for his groupies to faint over. Then he'll ride off into the sunset... and his fanboys will not hold it against him that he never faced Benavidez, and had no excuse for doing so.

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Ok enough with the fukking excuses already. Benavidez is the elephant in the room... and no one seems to give a damn. Last I heard Benavidez is offering $50M to Ginger. What's the holdup?

But no... we're focused on Benavidez fighting David Morrell... while Canelo gets just a tad older and seeks some "gimmes" to round out his Hollywood resume.

Here are the different scenarios for Canelo:

1. Fighting Benavidez

Canelo knows he'll get his ass kicked... and he already had enough of that with Bivol. Any more of that... and it may mess with his movie deals down the line. So no... Canelo will continue ignoring the elephant in the room.

2. Fighting Bivol

Canelo insists on the rematch at 175. Bivol had said he wanted it at 168... but appears to have lost interest. WTF... he was the one who kicked Canelo's ass. Why should Canelo call the shots? Personally... I'd love for Bivol to KTFO Canelo in either weight. But all indications are it ain't gonna happen.

3. Fighting Berlanga

AHH... this is clearly the one that's gonna happen. Why they haven't announced this already is beyond me.
Look at all the upsides:

• Berlanga is overly hyped and INEXPLICABLY ranked in the top 10 by two of the boxing orgs.
• Berlanga is Puerto Rican, thus providing the perfect opponent for the famed "PR-Mexico" rivalry. Unfortunately... Berlanga is a hype job who will soon enough come crashing down.
• Perfect win for Ginger to go riding off into the sunset without having faced a real danger at 168 pounds.

You heard it here first. Canelo will face Berlanga as his next opponent. That will bring him to 60 wins. A good round number for his groupies to faint over. Then he'll ride off into the sunset... and his fanboys will not hold it against him that he never faced Benavidez, and had no excuse for doing so.

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david b's team had already signed to fight david morrell before sending the offer to team canelo

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david b's team had already signed to fight david morrell before sending the offer to team canelo

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Yes, and if Canelo agreed they would pay Morrell to step aside. Standard stuff if the big name wants a fight.

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david b's team had already signed to fight david morrell before sending the offer to team canelo

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Yes, and if Canelo agreed they would pay Morrell to step aside. Standard stuff if the big name wants a fight.

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if you've already signed to fight someone why are you sending an offer to someone else? i call that clout chasing

canelo has been trying to get the dmitry rematch for september. david b's pbc plan was to fight caleb plant, david morrell & demetrius andrade

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if you've already signed to fight someone why are you sending an offer to someone else? i call that clout chasing

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It’s only clout chasing if you don’t actually want the fight. Do you have any evidence David doesn’t want the fight? Anything that would suggest it at all? Anything in David’s history to select he picks and chooses, anything?

Not being argumentative, just genuinely have never heard anything to suggest anything other than he has wanted a Canelo fight for a long time. I’m willing to listen if there’s something I’m not considering

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if you've already signed to fight someone why are you sending an offer to someone else? i call that clout chasing

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It’s only clout chasing if you don’t actually want the fight. Do you have any evidence David doesn’t want the fight? Anything that would suggest it at all? Anything in David’s history to select he picks and chooses, anything?

Not being argumentative, just genuinely have never heard anything to suggest anything other than he has wanted a Canelo fight for a long time. I’m willing to listen if there’s something I’m not considering

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it's clout chasing if you've already signed to fight someone else. have i ever said david b doesn't want the canelo fight? don't attach arguments to me that i haven't made. that's a strawman that you've created to attack. canelo has been pursuing a dmitry rematch for september. this has been his plan since his surgery. he was going to have fight in may & then try to rematch dmitry in september. david b's pbc plan was to fight caleb plant, david morrell & demetrius andrade

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david b's team had already signed to fight david morrell before sending the offer to team canelo

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if you've already signed to fight someone why are you sending an offer to someone else? i call that clout chasing

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It’s only clout chasing if you don’t actually want the fight. Do you have any evidence David doesn’t want the fight? Anything that would suggest it at all? Anything in David’s history to select he picks and chooses, anything?

Not being argumentative, just genuinely have never heard anything to suggest anything other than he has wanted a Canelo fight for a long time. I’m willing to listen if there’s something I’m not considering

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it's clout chasing if you've already signed to fight someone else. have i ever said david b doesn't want the canelo fight? don't attach arguments to me that i haven't made. that's a strawman that you've created to attack. canelo has been pursuing a dmitry rematch for september. this has been his plan since his surgery. he was going to have fight in may & then try to rematch dmitry in september. david b's pbc plan was to fight caleb plant, david morrell & demetrius andrade

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Jesus, I put in a qualifier to explain I’m not being aggressive, that I’m genuinely asking you a question and still you went defensive.

Relax man. I’m just trying to ask you if there is something about David I haven’t heard? Because he seems like a real one

F it though TIC if you want to get aggressive. You said David Benavides was clout chasing.

Clout chasing means “attempting to increase their own fame or influence by trying to associate—or engage in conflicts—with those more popular or famous than themselves.”

You said I was attacking a straw man by asking if David actually wanted the fight or if there was a reason to believe he didn’t actually want the fight. You exposed YOURSELF there, not me. You dodged a valid question. Suggesting he is trying to raise his profile means absolutely nothing, every boxer does that. So there would be no reason to say clout chasing about something everyone does. You used the term to try to hint that he doesn’t actually want the fight. Every person here can see that. And that’s why I asked the question. Which you dodged. It isn’t a straw man at all because straw man means “ is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion,”. In this case it clearly isn’t different. Everyone here recognizes why you said he was clout chasing.

The question becomes are you going to be an honorable person and acknowledge what you were doing or are you to lie when everyone here will know you are lying?

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david b's team had already signed to fight david morrell before sending the offer to team canelo

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if you've already signed to fight someone why are you sending an offer to someone else? i call that clout chasing

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It’s only clout chasing if you don’t actually want the fight. Do you have any evidence David doesn’t want the fight? Anything that would suggest it at all? Anything in David’s history to select he picks and chooses, anything?

Not being argumentative, just genuinely have never heard anything to suggest anything other than he has wanted a Canelo fight for a long time. I’m willing to listen if there’s something I’m not considering

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it's clout chasing if you've already signed to fight someone else. have i ever said david b doesn't want the canelo fight? don't attach arguments to me that i haven't made. that's a strawman that you've created to attack. canelo has been pursuing a dmitry rematch for september. this has been his plan since his surgery. he was going to have fight in may & then try to rematch dmitry in september. david b's pbc plan was to fight caleb plant, david morrell & demetrius andrade

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Jesus, I put in a qualifier to explain I’m not being aggressive, that I’m genuinely asking you a question and still you went defensive.

Relax man. I’m just trying to ask you if there is something about David I haven’t heard? Because he seems like a real one

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why wouldn't i be relaxed when i am pointing out truth?

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F it though TIC if you want to get aggressive. You said David Benavides was clout chasing.

Clout chasing means “attempting to increase their own fame or influence by trying to associate—or engage in conflicts—with those more popular or famous than themselves.”

You said I was attacking a straw man by asking if David actually wanted the fight or if there was a reason to believe he didn’t actually want the fight. You exposed YOURSELF there, not me. You dodged a valid question. Suggesting he is trying to raise his profile means absolutely nothing, every boxer does that. So there would be no reason to say clout chasing about something everyone does. You used the term to try to hint that he doesn’t actually want the fight. Every person here can see that. And that’s why I asked the question. Which you dodged. It isn’t a straw man at all because straw man means “ is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion,”. In this case it clearly isn’t different. Everyone here recognizes why you said he was clout chasing.

The question becomes are you going to be an honorable person and acknowledge what you were doing or are you to lie when everyone here will know you are lying?

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so clout chasing means attempting to increase their own fame or influence by trying to associate with those more popular yeh? team david b already had a fight signed & sent a contract to canelo. to me that is attempting to increase his own fame or influence by trying to associate with someone more popular, when he already has other plans. you created a strawman by asking me if i "have any evidence david doesn’t want the fight?" i never made that claim, show me where i made that claim. so if everyone does this like you state, then my statement that david b was clout chasing is true yeh? you are making an incorrect assumption that i was hinting at something. show me where i made the claim david b doesn't want the canelo fight, not just your assumption. it is a strawman because my topic of discussion was david b clout chasing "attempting to increase his own fame or influence trying to associate with someone more popular" not the strawman you created about david b not wanting the fight. the question now becomes can you provide a link to where i ever claimed david b didn't want the canelo fight? are you going to be an honourable person & acknowledge that you only assumed that's what i was hinting at & you can't provide a link of me making that claim or will you hide away for a few weeks because everyone here knows you are lying?

still waiting on those receipts ron

Questions posed to Canelo as to why he won't fight Benavidez date back at least a year and a half. Since then, he got his ass beaten by Bivol... went back to 168 and beat an old and bloated middleweight in GGG... and went back to the British well for another predictable victim in John Ryder.

And the questions about "why not Benavidez" continue to come up. Understandably, Canelo must be pretty pissed off by now... and has literally run out of time and excuses as to why he doesn't fight him. I remember back when he used the "I don't fight Mexicans" excuse.

Canelo's insistence on a Bivol rematch is a smoke screen. He knows Bivol won't rematch him at 175. It's pointless... and really, it's the victor that calls the shots.

IMO, Canelo's scared shitless of a fight at 168 against a real and present danger. He's scared of getting his ass whipped again... but this time not at 175, but in his own division.

Casuals and groupies can call it what they want.

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Questions posed to Canelo as to why he won't fight Benavidez date back at least a year and a half. Since then, he got his ass beaten by Bivol... went back to 168 and beat an old and bloated middleweight in GGG... and went back to the British well for another predictable victim in John Ryder.

And the questions about "why not Benavidez" continue to come up. Understandably, Canelo must be pretty pissed off by now... and has literally run out of time and excuses as to why he doesn't fight him. I remember back when he used the "I don't fight Mexicans" excuse.

Canelo's insistence on a Bivol rematch is a smoke screen. He knows Bivol won't rematch him at 175. It's pointless... and really, it's the victor that calls the shots.

IMO, Canelo's scared shitless of a fight at 168 against a real and present danger. He's scared of getting his ass whipped again... but this time not at 175, but in his own division.

Casuals and groupies can call it what they want.

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do you see something wrong with losing to the second, possiblity best guy in a division above canelo? the plan was always dmitry first & then ggg. canelo then had surgery & took a homecoming fight against john who had won an eliminator, against a guy that demetrius pulled out against. david b isn't mexican. why is canelo's insistence of a dmitry rematch at one eventy five a smoke screen? why won't dmitry rematch himat one seventy five? it's not pointless to canelo & the victor doesn't always call the shots. master was on here saying dmitry would be giving away his main advantage & dmitry might have been forced to by canelo's team to secure the lucrative rematch & it's absolutely ridiculous, what next bivol will fight with one arm? canelo won't get any credit if he defeats dmitry at one sixty eight. there'll be claims that dmitry was drained & not at his natural weight. i doubt canelo is scared shitless of a fight at one sixty eight but i do agree dmitry is a real & present danger. i doubt canelo is scared of getting his ass whipped again, this time at one sixty eight, canelo just won't credit if he wins at that weight. if anything i agree with you that canelo would probably prefer easier, bigger fights & challenges than david b. i have been saying since july last year that that age & time in the sport has taken a toll on canelo. that saudi money against badou for a cruiserwight belt could be enticing. i'm not saying that's what i want, i'm just thinking from a business point of view & where canelo is at currently in his career

Presumptions. Silver spoons and silk shorts. Assumptions. Entitlement :-X and more than anything people still throwing money at consensus ppv showcase fights. They're not betting on if the opponent will actually win, the bet on is do they even make the final bell. The fact of the matter is a year ago it was an unswept division at 168 with Benavidez claiming rooms and eating from the fridge as he pleased. Now in comes another legitimate championship adversary in Morrell thru the front door as Canelo fumbles on about 'please just keep the noise down while I sleep' ;D and avoiding the man who just painted him over 12 rounds. In two different divisions. Tables turn quick in the "game". Tides shift and regardless of we the fans trying to prove otherwise week to week...fans are not dumb!

All I gleam from it is that Benavidez vs Morrell represent what the division is tired of waiting for and welcomes, the fuel injection of 168 legit top tier threats squaring up for the claim. Something Canelo has not been so eager to do. You can only bail so much water for a guy. So should Canelo wait for the dust to settle and pulverize a clown car Berlanga in the meantime or should he go full fatty for Badou Jack at cruiser it looks like he's willing to let it pass him by. No Benavidez, no Bivol, no Morrell?...just growing irrelevancy in Canelo I say.

All I'm saying is Canelo's playing games. Only difference is casuals and groupies swallow the bait... whereas non-casuals and non-groupies don't. It's been at least a year and a half since Benavidez's name has been thrust in Canelo's face. We can excuse his fights with Bivol and (cough) GGG all we want. Fact is Canelo's biding his time so he can retire without having to face Benavidez. Many boxing experts see Canelo losing to Benavidez at 168, as do I. Canelo's not even looking his way. Benavidez's team has done everything except to offer to fight for free. This fight should've been scheduled by now.

Instead, here we are talking about Benavidez vs Morrell. Which is fine. But there's plenty of time for that. Both are mid 20's. They're not going anywhere. Canelo's 32. All he has to do is stall a couple more years, while fighting a few more chumps... and he can ride off into the sunset claiming he never ducked Benavidez... which of course would be a ridiculous claim. To be clear... there's no bigger cheerleader for Benavidez vs Morrell than Canelo. That way he can go about his business while the clock keeps ticking. He fools no one except for his groupies.

Again. My OP question is WTF is stopping Canelo from fighting Benavidez?

We all know the answer to that. Fear.

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Benavidez's team has done everything except to offer to fight for free. This fight should've been scheduled by now.

Again. My OP question is WTF is stopping Canelo from fighting Benavidez?

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jose sr claimed that david b's pbc three fight contract was for fights with caleb plant, david morrell & demetrius andrade, with an option for jermall charlo. sampson lewkowicz denied that claim but said david b still had two fights with pbc after the caleb fight. now with the david morrell fight already signed it seems some of what jose sr was claiming was true. could it not be that david b might still have some contractual obligations?

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https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-new...t-fight/264549

"Canelo Alvarez Targeting Jermall Charlo, Badou Jack For Next Fight"




Ok, so Ginger finally gave up on trying to avenge the bitch-slapping he got from Bivol, and is supposedly moving on. :D

So... is he looking in his own division at the elephant in the room?

No. He's targeting a middleweight, where Ginger can rehydrate back to a 20-pound edge over his opponent (Ginger's specialty)... or an aging cruiserweight.

This shet just keeps getting better and better.

If I had ever been a Ginger fan... I would've turned in my Groupie ID card a looooonnnngggg time ago. :D

This guy's a ducking, marinating, diva-clause-making overblown clown.

He'll fight ANYBODY except the guy who will surely WHUP HIS ASS at 168.

I personally can't wait till he retires.

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[B]UPDATE..."Canelo Alvarez Targeting Jermall Charlo, Badou Jack For Next Fight"


Ok, so Ginger finally gave up on trying to avenge the bitch-slapping he got from Bivol, and is supposedly moving on. :D

So... is he looking in his own division at the elephant in the room?

No. He's targeting a middleweight, where Ginger can rehydrate back to a 20-pound edge over his opponent (Ginger's specialty)... or an aging cruiserweight.

He'll fight ANYBODY except the guy who will surely WHUP HIS ASS at 168.

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dmitry is the one who doesn't want the rematch with canelo at light heavy & is moving on, canelo gets no credit if he defeats dmitry at one sixty eight. david morrell is the elephant in the room at super middle in my opinion. i'll be disappointed if canelo fights jermall coming off two years of inactivity but at least he'll fight him, something ggg hasn't done yet. canelo also fought sergei & dmitry before artur, dmitry & sergei have fought each other. badou may be an aging cruiserweight but he's a three division champion & a probably future hall of famer & a win gives canelo a championship in his fifth division. i disagree that david b will surely whup canelo's ass at one sixty eight

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Ok, so Ginger finally gave up on trying to avenge the bitch-slapping he got from Bivol, and is supposedly moving on. :D

So... is he looking in his own division at the elephant in the room?

No. He's targeting a middleweight, where Ginger can rehydrate back to a 20-pound edge over his opponent (Ginger's specialty)... or an aging cruiserweight.

He'll fight ANYBODY except the guy who will surely WHUP HIS ASS at 168.

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dmitry is the one who doesn't want the rematch with canelo at light heavy & is moving on, canelo gets no credit if he defeats dmitry at one sixty eight.

The... victor... calls... the... shots. I actually applaud Bivol for standing his ground and not caving to the red-headed diva's demands. Ginger's the one who got bitch-slapped. He doesn't get to demand a rematch at the weight he was so thoroughly outclassed. Bivol's got bigger fish to fry.


david morrell is the elephant in the room at super middle in my opinion.

That's YOUR opinion. In my opinion, it's Benavidez that Ginger's scared of and avoiding. Nothing Ginger would like better than Benavidez and Morrell to fight each other and buy him (Ginger) some more time, so he can exit stage left.

i'll be disappointed if canelo fights jermall coming off two years of inactivity but at least he'll fight him, something ggg hasn't done yet.

Not talking about GGG. Talking about Ginger.

canelo also fought sergei & dmitry before artur, dmitry & sergei have fought each other. badou may be an aging cruiserweight but he's a three division champion & a probably future hall of famer & a win gives canelo a championship in his fifth division.

It's that "but..." that tells the story. :D "Yeah... I agree Badou is on the downhill side of his career... but..." :D That's how excuses are born. :cool:

i disagree that david b will surely whup canelo's ass at one sixty eight

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It's always been odd to me how someone who doesn't believe in a lot of things (COVID, for example) can turn around and back boxers who aren't much more than a facade... instead of the true warriors that toil in relative obscurity and don't worry about protecting "0"'s or maintaining their Instagram accounts.

The Canelos and the Ryan Garcias of the world.

I would've pegged your tastes to be different. :cool:

"He's not a natural 175" "Bivol was too big at his weight" "He was daring to be great out of his division" "It was the weight and size difference".

Enter Badou Jack at 190 :lolhaha:. The man has become a literal sleight of hand trick. Here's the actual bare fact...Canelo has never nor has he the will and desire to actually sweep clean "his division". I guess it peaked on Caleb Plant. This hopscotch division leaping is going to catch up, and I believe it already has. The man is on an exit plan tour. I really do think end of 2024 is a wrap.

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The... victor... calls... the... shots. I actually applaud Bivol for standing his ground and not caving to the red-headed diva's demands. Ginger's the one who got bitch-slapped. He doesn't get to demand a rematch at the weight he was so thoroughly outclassed. Bivol's got bigger fish to fry.


That's YOUR opinion. In my opinion, it's Benavidez that Ginger's scared of and avoiding. Nothing Ginger would like better than Benavidez and Morrell to fight each other and buy him (Ginger) some more time, so he can exit stage left.


Not talking about GGG. Talking about Ginger.

It's that "but..." that tells the story. :D "Yeah... I agree Badou is on the downhill side of his career... but..." :D That's how excuses are born. :cool:

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the victor doesn't always call the shots. dmitry might be standing up but it depends what was stated in the contract for the rematch. what are these bigger fish to fry that dmitry has & do you have a source for a signed contract for these bigger fish? it is my opinion. just like you are giving yours. okay let's not talk about ggg. as i said i'll be disappointed if it's jermall next after two years of inactivity. jermall is undefeated & a current champion. i never said "Yeah... I agree Badou is on the downhill side of his career... but..." i said badou may be an aging cruiserweight. some aging fighters still compete at the elite level. badou is a current champion. has won belts in three divisions & is a probably a future hall of famer

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It's always been odd to me how someone who doesn't believe in a lot of things (COVID, for example) can turn around and back boxers who aren't much more than a facade... instead of the true warriors that toil in relative obscurity and don't worry about protecting "0"'s or maintaining their Instagram accounts.

The Canelos and the Ryan Garcias of the world.

I would've pegged your tastes to be different. :cool:

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beliefs & opinions are subjective. people can believe whatever they like. it's when they try to claim those beliefs are true or real that the burden of proof falls on those making those claims to prove the claims to be real or true. in my opinion canelo is a very good fighter who fought a who's who in the divisions around him during his career. i watch lots of obscure fighters. did canelo protect his zero when he fought floyd? we're not talking about king ry

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"He's not a natural 175" "Bivol was too big at his weight" "He was daring to be great out of his division" "It was the weight and size difference".

Enter Badou Jack at 190 :lolhaha:. The man has become a literal sleight of hand trick. Here's the actual bare fact...Canelo has never nor has he the will and desire to actually sweep clean "his division". I guess it peaked on Caleb Plant. This hopscotch division leaping is going to catch up, and I believe it already has. The man is on an exit plan tour. I really do think end of 2024 is a wrap.

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Hopscotch is exactly right. Except that Canelo is trying to land everywhere EXCEPT at 168, where he knows the boogeyman is waiting. :LMAO:

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"He's not a natural 175" "Bivol was too big at his weight" "He was daring to be great out of his division" "It was the weight and size difference".

Enter Badou Jack at 190 :lolhaha:. The man has become a literal sleight of hand trick. Here's the actual bare fact...Canelo has never nor has he the will and desire to actually sweep clean "his division". I guess it peaked on Caleb Plant. This hopscotch division leaping is going to catch up, and I believe it already has. The man is on an exit plan tour. I really do think end of 2024 is a wrap.

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Hopscotch is exactly right. Except that Canelo is trying to land everywhere EXCEPT at 168, where he knows the boogeyman is waiting. :LMAO:

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It's fairly clear as day but the passes and fandom will go on. My pet peeve has alwaaays been cleaning out your own house if you're constantly yapping about THE man and shot caller. And before you start leapfrogging divisions for *trinkets. He's just dusting off the initial gameplan he had when the Makabu chatter was going. That to me that is a content and idle fighter.

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1. Badou Jack is an aging cruiserweight. Ginger wants that cruiserweight trinket, and will fight a lame zebra to get it.

2. A. Goulamirian is another suspected weak champion (WBA) at cruiser. Definitely to be targeted.

3. GGG (a fourth fight... what the hell). Ginger is guaranteed a win here, and groupies will attempt to sell the fight as a real challenge.

4. Berlanga. A real possibility. An overblown fighter with no chance. But one that offers the chance for another installment of the Puerto Rico-Mexico rivalry.

5. Jermall Charlo. WBC 160 champ. Why the hell not? Dehydrate to 160... then come back 20 pounds heavier to annihilate the much lighter Charlo.



Rules of the Game:

Throw the dart to pick Ginger's next opponent.

On the off chance it lands on Benavidez... fire the dart thrower and someone else gets another try.



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Anything but Benavidez at 168. Trinket at 175 not possible at the moment... as the title holders are Bivol and Beterbiev... both of whom would rip Ginger a new a$$hole. So let's skip 175 and go for the weak champions at 200.



Ginger's a ducking, cherry-picking clown.

Just wait you guys, Jason Quigley is going to beat berlanga then alvarez will fight Quigley on whacking day! Not sure if Alvarez will come out dressed as a leprechaun for the ring walk but i hope I would

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"He's not a natural 175" "Bivol was too big at his weight" "He was daring to be great out of his division" "It was the weight and size difference".

Enter Badou Jack at 190 :lolhaha:. The man has become a literal sleight of hand trick. Here's the actual bare fact...Canelo has never nor has he the will and desire to actually sweep clean "his division". I guess it peaked on Caleb Plant. This hopscotch division leaping is going to catch up, and I believe it already has. The man is on an exit plan tour. I really do think end of 2024 is a wrap.

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Throw the dart to pick Ginger's next opponent.

1. Badou Jack is an aging cruiserweight. Ginger wants that cruiserweight trinket, and will fight a lame zebra to get it.

2. A. Goulamirian is another suspected weak champion (WBA) at cruiser. Definitely to be targeted.

3. GGG (a fourth fight... what the hell). Ginger is guaranteed a win here, and groupies will attempt to sell the fight as a real challenge.

4. Berlanga. A real possibility. An overblown fighter with no chance. But one that offers the chance for another installment of the Puerto Rico-Mexico rivalry.

5. Jermall Charlo. WBC 160 champ. Why the hell not? Dehydrate to 160... then come back 20 pounds heavier to annihilate the much lighter Charlo.

Anything but Benavidez at 168. Trinket at 175 not possible at the moment... as the title holders are Bivol and Beterbiev... both of whom would rip Ginger a new a$$hole. So let's skip 175 and go for the weak champions at 200.

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badou is a current cruiserweight champion. a three division champion & probably a future hall of famer. i take it you haven't watched much of arsen? source for a fourth ggg fight or are you making stuff up again? edgar maybe as a farewell fight but won't be next. a jermall fight won't be at one sixty. david b already has a fight signed next. dmitry ducked the rematch with canelo at one seventy five. if badou & arsen are such weak champions why haven't artur or dmitry moved up to take their belts? if david b or david m talked about fighting for a cruiserweight belt it would be a different story

Why would Bivol duck the rematch with Canelo at one seventy five when he comprehensively beat him? He must have been deliberately low balled by Canelo.

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Why would Bivol duck the rematch with Canelo at one seventy five when he comprehensively beat him? He must have been deliberately low balled by Canelo.

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Yes... "Bivol... ducked...the... rematch... with... Canelo... at... 175." :rolleyes:

Reason why I say my piece and avoid long, drawn out, pointless arguments. :cool:

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Why would Bivol duck the rematch with Canelo at one seventy five when he comprehensively beat him? He must have been deliberately low balled by Canelo.

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you'd have to ask team dmitry. neither of us know what was in the original contract. there was talk of a rematch clause. canelo has insisted he wants the rematch at one seventy five, canelo said same terms. dmitry declined so canelo has moved on

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Why would Bivol duck the rematch with Canelo at one seventy five when he comprehensively beat him? He must have been deliberately low balled by Canelo.

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you'd have to ask team dmitry. neither of us know what was in the original contract. there was talk of a rematch clause. canelo has insisted he wants the rematch at one seventy five, canelo said same terms. dmitry declined so canelo has moved on

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You cannot conclude Bivol ducked Canelo from that. Offering the rematch on the same conditions when Bivol took less and subsequently losing to Bivol surely is not being serious about the rematch.

Bivol also said he would go down in weight to accommodate Canelo.

That is not ducking.

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Why would Bivol duck the rematch with Canelo at one seventy five when he comprehensively beat him? He must have been deliberately low balled by Canelo.

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you'd have to ask team dmitry. neither of us know what was in the original contract. there was talk of a rematch clause. canelo has insisted he wants the rematch at one seventy five, canelo said same terms. dmitry declined so canelo has moved on

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You cannot conclude Bivol ducked Canelo from that. Offering the rematch on the same conditions when Bivol took less and subsequently losing to Bivol surely is not being serious about the rematch.

Bivol also said he would go down in weight to accommodate Canelo.

That is not ducking.

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Bivol's not the one with something to prove. He whupped Canelo at 175, and now wants to show he can do it at 168. That's not ducking.

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Why would Bivol duck the rematch with Canelo at one seventy five when he comprehensively beat him? He must have been deliberately low balled by Canelo.

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you'd have to ask team dmitry. neither of us know what was in the original contract. there was talk of a rematch clause. canelo has insisted he wants the rematch at one seventy five, canelo said same terms. dmitry declined so canelo has moved on

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You cannot conclude Bivol ducked Canelo from that. Offering the rematch on the same conditions when Bivol took less and subsequently losing to Bivol surely is not being serious about the rematch.

Bivol also said he would go down in weight to accommodate Canelo.

That is not ducking.

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dmitry is said have had a two million guarantee & made about five million with his share of the ppv for the first fight. if canelo was offering the same terms it would still be at the very least dmitry's second highest purse in his career. dmitry could record another win over a current pound for pound fighter, a current undisputed champion & a future hall of famer. dmitry was offered the fight & turned it down. you yourself said it would be ridiculous for dmitry to fight canelo at super middle. canelo would get no credit if he defeated dmitry at one sixty eight, as all the talk of weight draining would be used as an excuse

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Why would Bivol duck the rematch with Canelo at one seventy five when he comprehensively beat him? He must have been deliberately low balled by Canelo.

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you'd have to ask team dmitry. neither of us know what was in the original contract. there was talk of a rematch clause. canelo has insisted he wants the rematch at one seventy five, canelo said same terms. dmitry declined so canelo has moved on

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You cannot conclude Bivol ducked Canelo from that. Offering the rematch on the same conditions when Bivol took less and subsequently losing to Bivol surely is not being serious about the rematch.

Bivol also said he would go down in weight to accommodate Canelo.

That is not ducking.

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Bivol's not the one with something to prove. He whupped Canelo at 175, and now wants to show he can do it at 168. That's not ducking.

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canelo wanted the chance to prove he can beat dmitry at one seventy five. canelo gets no credit if the rematch takes place at super middle. dmitry was supposedly offered the same terms as the first fight, which is said to be a career high payday for dmitry & where he won the first fight. dmitry turned down the offer

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Why would Bivol duck the rematch with Canelo at one seventy five when he comprehensively beat him? He must have been deliberately low balled by Canelo.

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you'd have to ask team dmitry. neither of us know what was in the original contract. there was talk of a rematch clause. canelo has insisted he wants the rematch at one seventy five, canelo said same terms. dmitry declined so canelo has moved on

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You cannot conclude Bivol ducked Canelo from that. Offering the rematch on the same conditions when Bivol took less and subsequently losing to Bivol surely is not being serious about the rematch.

Bivol also said he would go down in weight to accommodate Canelo.

That is not ducking.

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dmitry is said have had a two million guarantee & made about five million with his share of the ppv for the first fight. if canelo was offering the same terms it would still be at the very least dmitry's second highest purse in his career. dmitry could record another win over a current pound for pound fighter, a current undisputed champion & a future hall of famer. dmitry was offered the fight & turned it down. you yourself said it would be ridiculous for dmitry to fight canelo at super middle. canelo would get no credit if he defeated dmitry at one sixty eight, as all the talk of weight draining would be used as an excuse

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As you said no one knows what was in the original contract yet you have concluded that Bivol has ducked Canelo.

Saul hurt his hand after his loss so could not fight for a year, then he could and wanted a warm up and now miraculously Bivol has turned down a high pay day. That all does sound like excuses that Canelo does not wanting the rematch.

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Why would Bivol duck the rematch with Canelo at one seventy five when he comprehensively beat him? He must have been deliberately low balled by Canelo.

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you'd have to ask team dmitry. neither of us know what was in the original contract. there was talk of a rematch clause. canelo has insisted he wants the rematch at one seventy five, canelo said same terms. dmitry declined so canelo has moved on

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You cannot conclude Bivol ducked Canelo from that. Offering the rematch on the same conditions when Bivol took less and subsequently losing to Bivol surely is not being serious about the rematch.

Bivol also said he would go down in weight to accommodate Canelo.

That is not ducking.

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Bivol's not the one with something to prove. He whupped Canelo at 175, and now wants to show he can do it at 168. That's not ducking.

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canelo wanted the chance to prove he can beat dmitry at one seventy five. canelo gets no credit if the rematch takes place at super middle. dmitry was supposedly offered the same terms as the first fight, which is said to be a career high payday for dmitry & where he won the first fight. dmitry turned down the offer

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And why do you think Dmitry turned down the offer?

(This oughta be good).
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Why would Bivol duck the rematch with Canelo at one seventy five when he comprehensively beat him? He must have been deliberately low balled by Canelo.

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you'd have to ask team dmitry. neither of us know what was in the original contract. there was talk of a rematch clause. canelo has insisted he wants the rematch at one seventy five, canelo said same terms. dmitry declined so canelo has moved on

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You cannot conclude Bivol ducked Canelo from that. Offering the rematch on the same conditions when Bivol took less and subsequently losing to Bivol surely is not being serious about the rematch.

Bivol also said he would go down in weight to accommodate Canelo.

That is not ducking.

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dmitry is said have had a two million guarantee & made about five million with his share of the ppv for the first fight. if canelo was offering the same terms it would still be at the very least dmitry's second highest purse in his career. dmitry could record another win over a current pound for pound fighter, a current undisputed champion & a future hall of famer. dmitry was offered the fight & turned it down. you yourself said it would be ridiculous for dmitry to fight canelo at super middle. canelo would get no credit if he defeated dmitry at one sixty eight, as all the talk of weight draining would be used as an excuse

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As you said no one knows what was in the original contract yet you have concluded that Bivol has ducked Canelo.

Saul hurt his hand after his loss so could not fight for a year, then he could and wanted a warm up and now miraculously Bivol has turned down a high pay day. That all does sound like excuses that Canelo does not wanting the rematch.

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dmitry & canelo have fought once with agreed upon terms. canelo fought dmitry & then ggg as part of his deal. canelo needed surgery after the ggg fight & decided to take the homecoming mandatory against john ryder, with the rematch against dmitry targeted for september. canelo has stated same terms as the first fight. can you show me what team dmitry had offered canelo in terms for a fight at one sixty eight?