HoF

[donnydarkoIRL]

Imagine you had the opportunity to have your own internationally recognised Boxing Hall of Fame.
You select all the fighters that are endorsed with this great honor.
One detail; You can only enter one fighter per weight class.

Here's mine;
Heavyweight;
Muhammad Ali.
He's not far off a super hero for me.

Cruiserweight;
Evander Holyfield.
He legitamised the Cruiser division in my eyes and
became a legend because of his heart and fighting spirit.

Light-Heavyweight;
Archie Moore.
Archie was, is and forever will be a legend.

SuperMiddleweight;
Roy Jones Jr.
At this weight he may well have been the best ever.
Remember the force that was RJJ.

Middleweight;
Carlos Monzon.
He must be remebered as a fighter.
Not the world's best person, but at the time he was
without any doubt the best Middleweight.

Light Middleweight;
Mike McCallum.
He achieved more than anyone else at this weight, beating
his closest rival to the throne.

Welterweight;
Ray Robinson.
In this glorious division, one guy reigns supreme.

Light Welterweight;
Julio Caesar Chavez.
He inspired a nation and fought with such ferocity
he will be remebered forever.

Lightweight;
Roberto Duran.
The most ferocious lightweight ever also
stood well in terms of skill. Awesome.

Super Featherweight;
Alexis Arguello.
It is rare that a man with such speed, power, skill and
following is also a gentlemen of pure class.

Featherweight;
Willie Pep.
So good, that were he around today he'd be tested!

Superbantamweight;
Erik Morales.
Not my favourite fighter, but at that weight his power, Wow!

Bantamweight;
Rueben Olivares.
If I need to tell you why, you haven't seen him!

[Lance Uppercut]

Good list

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Interesting... I like it. Let me put mine together

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Heavyweight:
Joe Louis
Greatest of all time in my estimation. I like Ali... How fast he was... His foot work... Loved his mouth...But Joe united a nation. True American hero.

Cruiserweight:
Evander Holyfield
He used being hurt as a weapon. Just when you thought youhad him a flurry would put you to sleep

Light-Heavyweight:
Archie Moore
No argument here. THE BEST EVER!

Super-Middleweight:
Roy Jones Jr.
Lucky to have witnessed probably the most skilled SMW of all time.

Middleweight:
Marvin Hagler
One of the most destructive forces in this division

Jr. Middleweight:
Wilfred Benitez
This was a tough one for me. He was on the downslide of his career by his early 20s but in his prime he was great!

Welterweight:
Sugar Ray Robinson
The sweetest of all the sugars

Jr-Welterwight:
Kostya Tszyu
One of the smartest fighters as well as best conditioned of all time in this div.

Lightweight:
Roberto Duran
Showed the world brawlers can box... superbly.

Super-featherweight:
Alexis Arguello
It isn't even close...

Featherweight:
Will o the Wisp
Gotta find him to hit him...

Super-Bantamweight:
Marco Antonio Barrera
Skill-Power-Speed... Best ever!

Bantamweight: Don't know enough about the div so it would be unfair to put a name here.

[BIG H]

Nice one Donny, I'll do mine in a bit

[Macho]

Hey mi pana Donny good post bro.....interesting post

[CutMeMick]

Heres my list;

HW - Jack Johnson
CW - Holyfield
LHW - Bob Foster
SMW - RJJ
MW - 'Escopeta' Monzon
LM - Terry Norris
WW - SRR
LWW - JCC
LW - Duran
SFW - Arguello
FW - Sanchez
SBW - Morales
BW - 'Puas' Olivares
SFlyW - Roman
FlyW - Laciar
LFW - 'Chiquita' Gonzalez
MinW - 'Finito' Lopez

[Master]

Donny I agree with your list but would have Ezzard Charles light heavy and JCC instead of AA.

[LondonBB]

Very interesting, i agree with most of the HoF's EXCEPT:

I DO NOT BELIEVE RJJ WAS THE BEST SUPERMIDDLE OF ALL TIME.

These are the people he fought at supermiddle:

Bryant brannon
James toney
Eroc lucas
Tony thornton
Viny pazienza
Antione byrd

Also he NEVER UNIFIED THE TITLES, HE ONLY WON 1 OF THE TITLES (THE IBF SUPERMIDDLE WEIGHT TITLE)

He only fought in the supermiddle weight division for around 2 years

Less than 3 years.

Sorry guys, i believe RJJ is a fantastic fighter but not as supermiddleweight, he is in the HoF
but not at super middle.

When you look at calzaghe who has baten eubank, lacy, kessler, reid etc etc for 10 WHOLE YEARS and held ALL THE BELTS AT THE SAME TIME...How can you compare RJJ achievements at super middleweight to JC's achievements

ThA brief summary:

RJJ = supermiddle weight for 2 years, ibf belt holder, great fighter fought was james toney.

JC = supermiddle weight for 11 years, ibf, wba, wbo, wbc belt holders, totally unbeaten, great fighters fought include eubank, reid, lacy and kessler.

Im not saying that Joe is a better fighter than RJJ all over, but if you look at the achievements of each fighter, i cant see how you can possibly compare RJJ at supermiddle weight to JC

Just look at what each fighter achieved.

[LondonBB]

It looks like to me that people are putting roy jones in at supermiddle weight in the HoF list because its a way of fitting him in the list, thats all.

How can you put him in the list as the greatest supermiddle of all time and ignore calzaghe when calzaghe's achievements at supermiddle destroy what roy jones achieved.

Come on lads, if an american fighter had been undisputed champ for 11 whole years in a division, holder of wba, ibf, wbo and wbc belts and totally unbeaten. Beaten lacy, eubank, reid and kessler in that division.

Yet a european fighter had been ibf champ for 2 years in the division and beaten only james toney as a great notable fighter...

WHO WOULD YOU BE PUTTING IN YOUR HALL OF FAME?

Hall of fame is about achievements, sorry guys, i respect a lot of your opinions and this post isnt about blindly following joe calzaghe because i think if calzaghe had fought RJJ at light heavy he wouldve probably lost, but you cant deny that joe calzaghe is a better fighter and achieved way more than jones did at super middle.

I understand you want to fit jones in the list, but your removing a guy who was totally dominant for 11 years in the division and holder of all the belts, fought the hardest opponents in the division aswell, for the sake of putting jones in at supermiddle weight.

[p4pking]

It looks like to me that people are putting roy jones in at supermiddle weight in the HoF list because its a way of fitting him in the list, thats all.

How can you put him in the list as the greatest supermiddle of all time and ignore calzaghe when calzaghe's achievements at supermiddle destroy what roy jones achieved.

Come on lads, if an american fighter had been undisputed champ for 11 whole years in a division, holder of wba, ibf, wbo and wbc belts and totally unbeaten. Beaten lacy, eubank, reid and kessler in that division.

Yet a european fighter had been ibf champ for 2 years in the division and beaten only james toney as a great notable fighter...

WHO WOULD YOU BE PUTTING IN YOUR HALL OF FAME?

Hall of fame is about achievements, sorry guys, i respect a lot of your opinions and this post isnt about blindly following joe calzaghe because i think if calzaghe had fought RJJ at light heavy he wouldve probably lost, but you cant deny that joe calzaghe is a better fighter and achieved way more than jones did at super middle.

I understand you want to fit jones in the list, but your removing a guy who was totally dominant for 11 years in the division and holder of all the belts, fought the hardest opponents in the division aswell, for the sake of putting jones in at supermiddle weight.

Joe has more wins at SMW, noone is denying that.. But Jones was easily a better fighter when he was at the weight, than Joe has ever been. That is what you can't deny.

[LondonBB]

It looks like to me that people are putting roy jones in at supermiddle weight in the HoF list because its a way of fitting him in the list, thats all.

How can you put him in the list as the greatest supermiddle of all time and ignore calzaghe when calzaghe's achievements at supermiddle destroy what roy jones achieved.

Come on lads, if an american fighter had been undisputed champ for 11 whole years in a division, holder of wba, ibf, wbo and wbc belts and totally unbeaten. Beaten lacy, eubank, reid and kessler in that division.

Yet a european fighter had been ibf champ for 2 years in the division and beaten only james toney as a great notable fighter...

WHO WOULD YOU BE PUTTING IN YOUR HALL OF FAME?

Hall of fame is about achievements, sorry guys, i respect a lot of your opinions and this post isnt about blindly following joe calzaghe because i think if calzaghe had fought RJJ at light heavy he wouldve probably lost, but you cant deny that joe calzaghe is a better fighter and achieved way more than jones did at super middle.

I understand you want to fit jones in the list, but your removing a guy who was totally dominant for 11 years in the division and holder of all the belts, fought the hardest opponents in the division aswell, for the sake of putting jones in at supermiddle weight.

Joe has more wins at SMW, noone is denying that.. But Jones was easily a better fighter when he was at the weight, than Joe has ever been. That is what you can't deny.

Course i can deny it.

Guys im sorry but you are totally bias.

HOW DO YOU DEFINE A BETTER FIGHTER?

Surely a better fighter is someone who has the best record and fights the best opponents.

The hall of fame fighters are the guys who were dominant in their weight classes, roy jones was not anywhere near as dominant at supermiddle than joe calzaghe, lets COMPARE RECORDS:

Jones = supermiddle weight for 2 years, ibf belt holder, only notable victory against toney.

Calzaghe = supermiddle weight for 11 years, undosputed champ for 11 years, wbo, wbc, ibf, ibo belt holders, ring mag champ, notable victories against eubank, reid, lacy and kessler.

So how do you define 'better fighter'? If your defining better fighter by the skills they show then i think that lenny mclean the bare knuckle boxer is the best boxer ever because he was a hard mofo and ko specialist.

IT GOES BY RECORDS AND WHO THEY FACED.

No doubt roy jones deserves to be in that list somewhere, or perhaps in an all time p4p fighters list rather than in the best weight class list.

But clazaghes achievements at supermiddle totally destroy what roy jones did.

So no...im not gonna say jones is definately a 'better fighter', im gonna go by what the records show, calzaghe has much better records so i put him in there instead.

Roy beat 1 notable fighter at super middle, he was only in the division for 2 years, he only won 1 belt, this is ludicrous to compare this with calzaghes achievements in that weight division.

The hall of fame is about ACHIEVEMENTS, who achieved the most at the weight class. P4p listings are a better way to place roy jones, or in a general hall of fame list instead of weight categories.

I think it shows quite an immense bias to be honest, its dissheartening to see someones incredible achievements and dominance for 11 whole years be totally overlooked by seemingly everyone for the sake of a fighter who fought for 2 years and won only 1 belt, with only 1 notable fight.

I wouldnt mind if jones was put in the light heavies or middle weight, but i think others achieved more than him in those divisions aswell ie hagler at middle and charles, moore at light heavy and those 2 dont deserved to be displaced either.

The fact is that is that although jones may well have been a better boxer than hagler, calzaghe, moore, charles etc HE DID NOT ACHIEVE AS MUCH AS THEY DID IN THOSE WEIGHT CATEGORIES.

You cant just take someone who is far more dominant than jones out of the weight category (and suprise suprise its joe calzaghe who gets removed, convenient eh?) when you want somewhere to put roy jones...all the facts and records prove calzaghe is far more dominant than jones at super middle weight.

In an all time greatest fighters list i dont have problems with people putting jones ahead of calzaghe, but definately not replacing calzaghe from the super middle weight category in terms of hall of fame, because calzaghe has easily achieved the most in history in that weight category.

BE FAIR GUYS!

[DaxxKahn]

Good List both Donny and POB Mick...Though they all slightly vary in certain divisions they are all wothy list and hard to argue the choices...rep to all

[donnydarkoIRL]

It looks like to me that people are putting roy jones in at supermiddle weight in the HoF list because its a way of fitting him in the list, thats all.

How can you put him in the list as the greatest supermiddle of all time and ignore calzaghe when calzaghe's achievements at supermiddle destroy what roy jones achieved.

Come on lads, if an american fighter had been undisputed champ for 11 whole years in a division, holder of wba, ibf, wbo and wbc belts and totally unbeaten. Beaten lacy, eubank, reid and kessler in that division.

Yet a european fighter had been ibf champ for 2 years in the division and beaten only james toney as a great notable fighter...

WHO WOULD YOU BE PUTTING IN YOUR HALL OF FAME?

Hall of fame is about achievements, sorry guys, i respect a lot of your opinions and this post isnt about blindly following joe calzaghe because i think if calzaghe had fought RJJ at light heavy he wouldve probably lost, but you cant deny that joe calzaghe is a better fighter and achieved way more than jones did at super middle.

I understand you want to fit jones in the list, but your removing a guy who was totally dominant for 11 years in the division and holder of all the belts, fought the hardest opponents in the division aswell, for the sake of putting jones in at supermiddle weight.

I always disliked Jones. In truth I was jealous of him and I resented the fact he was so good.
However, I have to acknowledge he is 9one of the best super middles of all time if noit thee best, whilst also being the most colourful. In my hall of fame I selected fighters who not only have the greatest skill, but also who please the fans most, who had the toughest careers and who represented the sport best (ha ha Arguello Arguello Arguello!!!)
When Roy got sparked, he came back. He gained my respect from that. He got sparked again and.....he came back. He's stock went up in my books after that.

In relation to the opposition.
Jones is just another example of what I've been preaching fo r a while now. It's not who he beat or the number of opponents, it's the efficiency of his performances that illustrate how great he was.

Donny I agree with your list but would have Ezzard Charles light heavy and JCC instead of AA.

I've got JCC in there, but he's edged out by Alexis at the lower weight.
Alexis hit like....what can I say he hit like a middlweight and had all the skills attributed to the little guys. LEGEND!

And at Light Heavy, Archie was a phenom, Ezzard Charles and Bob Foster are big favourites of mine (with Charles being equally effective at heavy) but Archie is boxing, He is was and forever will be the man in my eyes.

[SalTheButcher]

Very interesting, i agree with most of the HoF's EXCEPT:

I DO NOT BELIEVE RJJ WAS THE BEST SUPERMIDDLE OF ALL TIME.

These are the people he fought at supermiddle:

Bryant brannon
James toney
Eroc lucas
Tony thornton
Viny pazienza
Antione byrd

Also he NEVER UNIFIED THE TITLES, HE ONLY WON 1 OF THE TITLES (THE IBF SUPERMIDDLE WEIGHT TITLE)

He only fought in the supermiddle weight division for around 2 years

Less than 3 years.

Sorry guys, i believe RJJ is a fantastic fighter but not as supermiddleweight, he is in the HoF
but not at super middle.

When you look at calzaghe who has baten eubank, lacy, kessler, reid etc etc for 10 WHOLE YEARS and held ALL THE BELTS AT THE SAME TIME...How can you compare RJJ achievements at super middleweight to JC's achievements

ThA brief summary:

RJJ = supermiddle weight for 2 years, ibf belt holder, great fighter fought was james toney.

JC = supermiddle weight for 11 years, ibf, wba, wbo, wbc belt holders, totally unbeaten, great fighters fought include eubank, reid, lacy and kessler.

Im not saying that Joe is a better fighter than RJJ all over, but if you look at the achievements of each fighter, i cant see how you can possibly compare RJJ at supermiddle weight to JC

Just look at what each fighter achieved.