HoF

[Master]

Donny I agree with your list but would have Ezzard Charles light heavy and JCC instead of AA.

[LondonBB]

Very interesting, i agree with most of the HoF's EXCEPT:

I DO NOT BELIEVE RJJ WAS THE BEST SUPERMIDDLE OF ALL TIME.

These are the people he fought at supermiddle:

Bryant brannon
James toney
Eroc lucas
Tony thornton
Viny pazienza
Antione byrd

Also he NEVER UNIFIED THE TITLES, HE ONLY WON 1 OF THE TITLES (THE IBF SUPERMIDDLE WEIGHT TITLE)

He only fought in the supermiddle weight division for around 2 years

Less than 3 years.

Sorry guys, i believe RJJ is a fantastic fighter but not as supermiddleweight, he is in the HoF
but not at super middle.

When you look at calzaghe who has baten eubank, lacy, kessler, reid etc etc for 10 WHOLE YEARS and held ALL THE BELTS AT THE SAME TIME...How can you compare RJJ achievements at super middleweight to JC's achievements

ThA brief summary:

RJJ = supermiddle weight for 2 years, ibf belt holder, great fighter fought was james toney.

JC = supermiddle weight for 11 years, ibf, wba, wbo, wbc belt holders, totally unbeaten, great fighters fought include eubank, reid, lacy and kessler.

Im not saying that Joe is a better fighter than RJJ all over, but if you look at the achievements of each fighter, i cant see how you can possibly compare RJJ at supermiddle weight to JC

Just look at what each fighter achieved.

[LondonBB]

It looks like to me that people are putting roy jones in at supermiddle weight in the HoF list because its a way of fitting him in the list, thats all.

How can you put him in the list as the greatest supermiddle of all time and ignore calzaghe when calzaghe's achievements at supermiddle destroy what roy jones achieved.

Come on lads, if an american fighter had been undisputed champ for 11 whole years in a division, holder of wba, ibf, wbo and wbc belts and totally unbeaten. Beaten lacy, eubank, reid and kessler in that division.

Yet a european fighter had been ibf champ for 2 years in the division and beaten only james toney as a great notable fighter...

WHO WOULD YOU BE PUTTING IN YOUR HALL OF FAME?

Hall of fame is about achievements, sorry guys, i respect a lot of your opinions and this post isnt about blindly following joe calzaghe because i think if calzaghe had fought RJJ at light heavy he wouldve probably lost, but you cant deny that joe calzaghe is a better fighter and achieved way more than jones did at super middle.

I understand you want to fit jones in the list, but your removing a guy who was totally dominant for 11 years in the division and holder of all the belts, fought the hardest opponents in the division aswell, for the sake of putting jones in at supermiddle weight.

[p4pking]

It looks like to me that people are putting roy jones in at supermiddle weight in the HoF list because its a way of fitting him in the list, thats all.

How can you put him in the list as the greatest supermiddle of all time and ignore calzaghe when calzaghe's achievements at supermiddle destroy what roy jones achieved.

Come on lads, if an american fighter had been undisputed champ for 11 whole years in a division, holder of wba, ibf, wbo and wbc belts and totally unbeaten. Beaten lacy, eubank, reid and kessler in that division.

Yet a european fighter had been ibf champ for 2 years in the division and beaten only james toney as a great notable fighter...

WHO WOULD YOU BE PUTTING IN YOUR HALL OF FAME?

Hall of fame is about achievements, sorry guys, i respect a lot of your opinions and this post isnt about blindly following joe calzaghe because i think if calzaghe had fought RJJ at light heavy he wouldve probably lost, but you cant deny that joe calzaghe is a better fighter and achieved way more than jones did at super middle.

I understand you want to fit jones in the list, but your removing a guy who was totally dominant for 11 years in the division and holder of all the belts, fought the hardest opponents in the division aswell, for the sake of putting jones in at supermiddle weight.

Joe has more wins at SMW, noone is denying that.. But Jones was easily a better fighter when he was at the weight, than Joe has ever been. That is what you can't deny.

[LondonBB]

It looks like to me that people are putting roy jones in at supermiddle weight in the HoF list because its a way of fitting him in the list, thats all.

How can you put him in the list as the greatest supermiddle of all time and ignore calzaghe when calzaghe's achievements at supermiddle destroy what roy jones achieved.

Come on lads, if an american fighter had been undisputed champ for 11 whole years in a division, holder of wba, ibf, wbo and wbc belts and totally unbeaten. Beaten lacy, eubank, reid and kessler in that division.

Yet a european fighter had been ibf champ for 2 years in the division and beaten only james toney as a great notable fighter...

WHO WOULD YOU BE PUTTING IN YOUR HALL OF FAME?

Hall of fame is about achievements, sorry guys, i respect a lot of your opinions and this post isnt about blindly following joe calzaghe because i think if calzaghe had fought RJJ at light heavy he wouldve probably lost, but you cant deny that joe calzaghe is a better fighter and achieved way more than jones did at super middle.

I understand you want to fit jones in the list, but your removing a guy who was totally dominant for 11 years in the division and holder of all the belts, fought the hardest opponents in the division aswell, for the sake of putting jones in at supermiddle weight.

Joe has more wins at SMW, noone is denying that.. But Jones was easily a better fighter when he was at the weight, than Joe has ever been. That is what you can't deny.

Course i can deny it.

Guys im sorry but you are totally bias.

HOW DO YOU DEFINE A BETTER FIGHTER?

Surely a better fighter is someone who has the best record and fights the best opponents.

The hall of fame fighters are the guys who were dominant in their weight classes, roy jones was not anywhere near as dominant at supermiddle than joe calzaghe, lets COMPARE RECORDS:

Jones = supermiddle weight for 2 years, ibf belt holder, only notable victory against toney.

Calzaghe = supermiddle weight for 11 years, undosputed champ for 11 years, wbo, wbc, ibf, ibo belt holders, ring mag champ, notable victories against eubank, reid, lacy and kessler.

So how do you define 'better fighter'? If your defining better fighter by the skills they show then i think that lenny mclean the bare knuckle boxer is the best boxer ever because he was a hard mofo and ko specialist.

IT GOES BY RECORDS AND WHO THEY FACED.

No doubt roy jones deserves to be in that list somewhere, or perhaps in an all time p4p fighters list rather than in the best weight class list.

But clazaghes achievements at supermiddle totally destroy what roy jones did.

So no...im not gonna say jones is definately a 'better fighter', im gonna go by what the records show, calzaghe has much better records so i put him in there instead.

Roy beat 1 notable fighter at super middle, he was only in the division for 2 years, he only won 1 belt, this is ludicrous to compare this with calzaghes achievements in that weight division.

The hall of fame is about ACHIEVEMENTS, who achieved the most at the weight class. P4p listings are a better way to place roy jones, or in a general hall of fame list instead of weight categories.

I think it shows quite an immense bias to be honest, its dissheartening to see someones incredible achievements and dominance for 11 whole years be totally overlooked by seemingly everyone for the sake of a fighter who fought for 2 years and won only 1 belt, with only 1 notable fight.

I wouldnt mind if jones was put in the light heavies or middle weight, but i think others achieved more than him in those divisions aswell ie hagler at middle and charles, moore at light heavy and those 2 dont deserved to be displaced either.

The fact is that is that although jones may well have been a better boxer than hagler, calzaghe, moore, charles etc HE DID NOT ACHIEVE AS MUCH AS THEY DID IN THOSE WEIGHT CATEGORIES.

You cant just take someone who is far more dominant than jones out of the weight category (and suprise suprise its joe calzaghe who gets removed, convenient eh?) when you want somewhere to put roy jones...all the facts and records prove calzaghe is far more dominant than jones at super middle weight.

In an all time greatest fighters list i dont have problems with people putting jones ahead of calzaghe, but definately not replacing calzaghe from the super middle weight category in terms of hall of fame, because calzaghe has easily achieved the most in history in that weight category.

BE FAIR GUYS!

[SalTheButcher]

Very interesting, i agree with most of the HoF's EXCEPT:

I DO NOT BELIEVE RJJ WAS THE BEST SUPERMIDDLE OF ALL TIME.

These are the people he fought at supermiddle:

Bryant brannon
James toney
Eroc lucas
Tony thornton
Viny pazienza
Antione byrd

Also he NEVER UNIFIED THE TITLES, HE ONLY WON 1 OF THE TITLES (THE IBF SUPERMIDDLE WEIGHT TITLE)

He only fought in the supermiddle weight division for around 2 years

Less than 3 years.

Sorry guys, i believe RJJ is a fantastic fighter but not as supermiddleweight, he is in the HoF
but not at super middle.

When you look at calzaghe who has baten eubank, lacy, kessler, reid etc etc for 10 WHOLE YEARS and held ALL THE BELTS AT THE SAME TIME...How can you compare RJJ achievements at super middleweight to JC's achievements

ThA brief summary:

RJJ = supermiddle weight for 2 years, ibf belt holder, great fighter fought was james toney.

JC = supermiddle weight for 11 years, ibf, wba, wbo, wbc belt holders, totally unbeaten, great fighters fought include eubank, reid, lacy and kessler.

Im not saying that Joe is a better fighter than RJJ all over, but if you look at the achievements of each fighter, i cant see how you can possibly compare RJJ at supermiddle weight to JC

Just look at what each fighter achieved.

[Scrap]

Hi guys, the best supermiddle Ezzard Charles and the Best Lightheavy. When he beat Luois he was a lightheavy. If not for his illness he might have been the best Heavy .

[DaxxKahn]

Hi guys, the best supermiddle Ezzard Charles and the Best Lightheavy. When he beat Luois he was a lightheavy. If not for his illness he might have been the best Heavy .

GOOD CALL!!! On that one Scrap....Ezzard was one hell of a fighter and could beat any man at LHW at any given time in the history of the sport...he was that good...Now to those who really don't know much about him...I am not saying he was the fastest or most skilled but as an all around fighter he had the ability to face anyone and a win over any of the other greats would not be an upset by any means...He held wins over Archie Moore 3 times, Charley Burley and Joey Maxim...Was a vicious fighter until he killed a guy in the ring then turned into more of a boxer and actually hesitated on going for the KO at times....Retired with a 96-25 record and 58 by KO...Most losses coing towards the end of his career...

Some good clips of his fights here...those who really love the sport and don't know about him should take the time to look..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fY4Woi4LYjI

[Tins06]

Didn't Ezzard go 15 with the Rock?

[donnydarkoIRL]

Hi guys, the best supermiddle Ezzard Charles and the Best Lightheavy. When he beat Luois he was a lightheavy. If not for his illness he might have been the best Heavy .

GOOD CALL!!! On that one Scrap....Ezzard was one hell of a fighter and could beat any man at LHW at any given time in the history of the sport...he was that good...Now to those who really don't know much about him...I am not saying he was the fastest or most skilled but as an all around fighter he had the ability to face anyone and a win over any of the other greats would not be an upset by any means...He held wins over Archie Moore 3 times, Charley Burley and Joey Maxim...Was a vicious fighter until he killed a guy in the ring then turned into more of a boxer and actually hesitated on going for the KO at times....Retired with a 96-25 record and 58 by KO...Most losses coing towards the end of his career...

Some good clips of his fights here...those who really love the sport and don't know about him should take the time to look..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fY4Woi4LYjI

Charles was'nt just a good guy on the attcak a brave fighter and a noble warrior too

Didn't Ezzard go 15 with the Rock?

He went 23 with the rock, ripping his nose open in the process.
In fact with modern refereeing Charles would have stopped Marciano