pacman's side of the story

[josef4334]

here is a read from LA times. i hope that this will explain to us manny's side of the story about the purse split.

Pacquiao responds to Hatton, says let's fight | The Fabulous Forum | Los Angeles Times


Here's how it reads:

GENERAL SANTOS CITY: In the new age of Barack Obama and the post-Oscar De La Hoya generation of boxing where equal opportunity and fair play are now the norm, Ricky Hatton's chief negotiator Richard Schafer apparently is still living in the past.

The Swiss banker-turned CEO of Golden Boy Promotions has blocked a potential mega-fight with pound-for-pound boxing champion Manny Pacquiao by acting on emotion and past personal gripes against the Filipino spitfire rather than dealing on the merits of the fight and by not giving what is rightly due the four-time, four-division champion.

Schaefer, whose boss boxer De La Hoya has been soundly beaten by Pacquiao in eight, one-sided rounds last December 6, 2008 before he quit on his stool in a classic "no mas" fashion, was visibly irked by Pacquiao's non-signing of a contract deemed onerous and unfair by the Filipino.

"Frankly, I'm disgusted at the behavior of Manny Pacquiao. He's a spoiled young kid who doesn't know how to behave," said Schaefer, in an interview with the Los Angeles Times, right after learning that Pacquiao did not budge from his previous stand and even called the bluff of the Golden Boy outfit.
"I don't know what he's thinking," Schaefer said. "What a waste of time, money and effort. Am I surprised he's changed his mind? No. He did it to me two years ago. We had booked the planes, the hotels, printed the press kits for the press tour. It was all ready to go, a big production."

A disgusted Pacquiao read the unsavory comments in the internet. "I find Schaefer's actions and words too aristocratic. He's the one who is acting childish. He is not professional and civil enough to give merits to the negotiating table," said Pacquiao in Tagalog.Pacquiao expressed dismay that Schaefer's patience was unusually thin, especially with regards to dealing with a projected million-dollar fight. Pacquiao also noted the lies and undue pressure that they have been peddling just to force him to sign the contract which was a little short of expectations.

"They were quoted as saying that if I do not sign their contract, they already have offers for them to fight in the British Isles with 80,000 people watching. Now, it is obvious that they were just bluffing. Now, they are saying, they will fight De La Hoya. Then, they are also calling out Floyd Mayweather. I say, Schaefer is a bad businessman," said Pacquiao.

"I hope they get the same or a better deal when they face Mayweather, who beat and knocked them out in 2007. I hope they get to fight De La Hoya and also get the same or better deal. Hatton's last fight against Malignaggi wasn't a pay-per-view success. Not to make a big deal out of it, Hatton also faced a Juan Lazcano who was no longer in his prime, previous to that fight," added Pacquiao.

"I want to fight Ricky Hatton if the terms are right and fair. Modesty aside, I did not become the best pound-for-pound fighter by fighting patsies on my way to the top. I beat Oscar De La Hoya when he said he was still on top of his game. I proved I can fight at any weight level and I won two different titles in two different divisions, also, last year. Now, I say to Ricky Hatton, king of the 140 pound division, 'Let's get it on,' without the middlemen. You called me out, now I say we fight."

It should be recalled that Schaefer and Top Rank promoter Bob Arum have been through this sort of drama when Pacquiao, the odds-on underdog who was not given a slight chance to win, dealt with De La Hoya. Pacquiao eventually accepted a 68-32 deal in De La Hoya's favor.

"It's unfortunate and not uncommon for fighters to make these kinds of decisions," Schaefer said. "When you beat the man, you think you are the man. Pacquiao is the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world and as his co-promoter (with a small percentage) we are proud of him. But he thinks by beating Oscar that he is Oscar and he is not Oscar. It's unbelievable. Manny is losing a huge, huge payday."
"What Schafer failed to consider is the fact that I am not fighting De La Hoya in this match. There is no more rematch," added Pacquiao. "Now, they have to put their facts right."
-- Lance Pugmire

[AdamGB]

Who cares if ODLH said he was still at the top of his game? He clearly wasn't... far from it

He was weight drained and lethargic... still pretty good, Pac coming up in weight, can't take too much away from that... but he needs to wake up and put it a bit more into perspective.

[Taeth]

I just watched Pacquiao-De La Hoya and Mayweather-De La Hoya this morning, he looked pretty much the same, but Pacquiao kept moving, and while Floyd was able to land his jab almost at will, Pacquiao was able to land the much harder left cross at all. There is no version of De La Hoya that would have been able to deal wtih what Pacquiao brought. He didn't look bad at all against Forbes, he looked good against Mayorga and Mayweather. Pacquiao had the right style, the right skills, and the right physical abilities to knock Oscar out IMO at any point in his career.

[Beanflicker]

He didn't look bad at all against Forbes, he looked good against Mayorga and Mayweather. Pacquiao had the right style, the right skills, and the right physical abilities to knock Oscar out IMO at any point in his career.

Gotta disagree there

[Boom Boom]

Oscar in his prime days was more of a mover. As he got older he started moving his head less and started blocking punches with his forearms. Watch his fight with Gatti and then watch him vs. Forbes. He is much more stiff now and he is clearly not the same as he was. Prime Oscar would have troubled Manny with his quickness on his feet and movement. Prime for prime its a tough call.

[josef4334]

He didn't look bad at all against Forbes, he looked good against Mayorga and Mayweather. Pacquiao had the right style, the right skills, and the right physical abilities to knock Oscar out IMO at any point in his career.

Gotta disagree there

care to elaborate? we wanna know what you think./

[josef4334]

Oscar in his prime days was more of a mover. As he got older he started moving his head less and started blocking punches with his forearms. Watch his fight with Gatti and then watch him vs. Forbes. He is much more stiff now and he is clearly not the same as he was. Prime Oscar would have troubled Manny with his quickness on his feet and movement. Prime for prime its a tough call.

i dont think oscar is a mover in his prime days. he was more of a bouncer. he bounces on his toes a lot but he is not a laterall mover. but then he always had stamina problems which made him stop bouncing. if you watch the quartey odlh fight. the only times he caugh bazooka was when he is on his toes. but for the most part of that fight bazooka had him on the defensive coz he always ran out of steam. too bad ike didnt capitalize and finish him.

[AdamGB]

I just watched Pacquiao-De La Hoya and Mayweather-De La Hoya this morning, he looked pretty much the same, but Pacquiao kept moving, and while Floyd was able to land his jab almost at will, Pacquiao was able to land the much harder left cross at all. There is no version of De La Hoya that would have been able to deal wtih what Pacquiao brought. He didn't look bad at all against Forbes, he looked good against Mayorga and Mayweather. Pacquiao had the right style, the right skills, and the right physical abilities to knock Oscar out IMO at any point in his career.

ODLH lacked any sort of explosiveness or work rate... he circled basically one way around the ring the whole entire fight. Legs seemed to have failed him... he didn't use them at all.

[Bomp]

Who cares if ODLH said he was still at the top of his game? He clearly wasn't... far from it

He was weight drained and lethargic... still pretty good, Pac coming up in weight, can't take too much away from that... but he needs to wake up and put it a bit more into perspective.

His comments refferred to the situation BEFORE the fight. No critic/fan/'expert' gave PAc a shot, yet he took on such an apparent challenge for a derisory split, so now he rightly expects a little more respect at the negotiating table.

[Fenster]

Who cares if ODLH said he was still at the top of his game? He clearly wasn't... far from it

He was weight drained and lethargic... still pretty good, Pac coming up in weight, can't take too much away from that... but he needs to wake up and put it a bit more into perspective.

His comments refferred to the situation BEFORE the fight. No critic/fan/'expert' gave PAc a shot, yet he took on such an apparent challenge for a derisory split, so now he rightly expects a little more respect at the negotiating table.

That's a bit strong, Bomp.

He had an $11 million guarantee.. a career high payday by miles. And was coming off a terrible PPV showing against Diaz - 200,000 - plus shifted only 8,000 of 12,000 tickets.

[josef4334]

Who cares if ODLH said he was still at the top of his game? He clearly wasn't... far from it

He was weight drained and lethargic... still pretty good, Pac coming up in weight, can't take too much away from that... but he needs to wake up and put it a bit more into perspective.

His comments refferred to the situation BEFORE the fight. No critic/fan/'expert' gave PAc a shot, yet he took on such an apparent challenge for a derisory split, so now he rightly expects a little more respect at the negotiating table.

That's a bit strong, Bomp.

He had an $11 million guarantee.. a career high payday by miles. And was coming off a terrible PPV showing against Diaz - 200,000 - plus shifted only 8,000 of 12,000 tickets.

i think bomp is right for using a strong word. 68-32 split for odlh. he was the bigger guy, the bigger puncher, he was much more skilled. everyone was thinking that pac would get koed in that fight. yet odlh wont even give pac a 65-35 split despite his advantages. if it so happend that odlh knocked pac out to la la land, dont you think its more insulting to get a 32% share and get blasted? talking about adding insult to injury.

[Chino]

He didn't look bad at all against Forbes, he looked good against Mayorga and Mayweather. Pacquiao had the right style, the right skills, and the right physical abilities to knock Oscar out IMO at any point in his career.

Gotta disagree there

care to elaborate? we wanna know what you think./

Watch ANY fight of Oscar in his prime. A few examples: Oscar vs Trinidad, Oscar vs Quartey, Oscar vs Gonzalez, Oscar vs Hopkins (eventhough he lost, he still looked sharp), Oscar vs Chavez, etc.. Look at the speed of his combinations, his piercing jab, that left hook, the vicious body punches, those uppercuts, etc.

Yes, Pac did have the right tools...against an old passed-his-prime ODLH. Something that he and his team even mentioned during interviews.

[Fenster]

His comments refferred to the situation BEFORE the fight. No critic/fan/'expert' gave PAc a shot, yet he took on such an apparent challenge for a derisory split, so now he rightly expects a little more respect at the negotiating table.

That's a bit strong, Bomp.

He had an $11 million guarantee.. a career high payday by miles. And was coming off a terrible PPV showing against Diaz - 200,000 - plus shifted only 8,000 of 12,000 tickets.

i think bomp is right for using a strong word. 68-32 split for odlh. he was the bigger guy, the bigger puncher, he was much more skilled. everyone was thinking that pac would get koed in that fight. yet odlh wont even give pac a 65-35 split despite his advantages. if it so happend that odlh knocked pac out to la la land, dont you think its more insulting to get a 32% share and get blasted? talking about adding insult to injury.

The fighter that generates the MOST money gets the bigger cut. How is that insulting to anyone?

Oscar can sell a million PPVs fighting mickey mouse. Pac can't. So why would Pac get anywhere NEAR Oscar's money? Being the best fighter or most skilled or P4P no.1 means virtually nothing.

Pac's best paydays were in $2 million range. He then gets $11 million+ for fighting Oscar. What's the problem? The prize against Oscar is the MONEY. That's why EVERYONE wants to fight him.

And Pac hit the jackpot by winning the fight. He can now demand an even BIGGER payday against another of boxings highest earning STARS.

[Bomp]

That's a bit strong, Bomp.

He had an $11 million guarantee.. a career high payday by miles. And was coming off a terrible PPV showing against Diaz - 200,000 - plus shifted only 8,000 of 12,000 tickets.

i think bomp is right for using a strong word. 68-32 split for odlh. he was the bigger guy, the bigger puncher, he was much more skilled. everyone was thinking that pac would get koed in that fight. yet odlh wont even give pac a 65-35 split despite his advantages. if it so happend that odlh knocked pac out to la la land, dont you think its more insulting to get a 32% share and get blasted? talking about adding insult to injury.

The fighter that generates the MOST money gets the bigger cut. How is that insulting to anyone?

Oscar can sell a million PPVs fighting mickey mouse. Pac can't. So why would Pac get anywhere NEAR Oscar's money? Being the best fighter or most skilled or P4P no.1 means virtually nothing.

Pac's best paydays were in $2 million range. He then gets $11 million+ for fighting Oscar. What's the problem? The prize against Oscar is the MONEY. That's why EVERYONE wants to fight him.

And Pac hit the jackpot by winning the fight. He can now demand an even BIGGER payday against another of boxings highest earning STARS.

I agree that being the primary money generator in a fight must be taken into consideration. But like your final sentence says, Pac has earned his negotiating position the hard way, after ODLH-Ricky got shelved after the pasting from Floyd.

My argument is against the Pac trasher's who write him off as a ducker when all he wanted was a little extra negotiation.

[Fenster]

i think bomp is right for using a strong word. 68-32 split for odlh. he was the bigger guy, the bigger puncher, he was much more skilled. everyone was thinking that pac would get koed in that fight. yet odlh wont even give pac a 65-35 split despite his advantages. if it so happend that odlh knocked pac out to la la land, dont you think its more insulting to get a 32% share and get blasted? talking about adding insult to injury.

The fighter that generates the MOST money gets the bigger cut. How is that insulting to anyone?

Oscar can sell a million PPVs fighting mickey mouse. Pac can't. So why would Pac get anywhere NEAR Oscar's money? Being the best fighter or most skilled or P4P no.1 means virtually nothing.

Pac's best paydays were in $2 million range. He then gets $11 million+ for fighting Oscar. What's the problem? The prize against Oscar is the MONEY. That's why EVERYONE wants to fight him.

And Pac hit the jackpot by winning the fight. He can now demand an even BIGGER payday against another of boxings highest earning STARS.

I agree that being the primary money generator in a fight must be taken into consideration. But like your final sentence says, Pac has earned his negotiating position the hard way, after ODLH-Ricky got shelved after the pasting from Floyd.

My argument is against the Pac trasher's who write him off as a ducker when all he wanted was a little extra negotiation.

I didn't think many people were serious about Pac ducking the fight.. i guess some were

Fans arguing about which multi-millionaire fighter deserves the bigger cut of their next multi-million dollar payday is totally ridiculous anyway