pacman's side of the story

[AdamGB]

Who cares if ODLH said he was still at the top of his game? He clearly wasn't... far from it

He was weight drained and lethargic... still pretty good, Pac coming up in weight, can't take too much away from that... but he needs to wake up and put it a bit more into perspective.

[Taeth]

I just watched Pacquiao-De La Hoya and Mayweather-De La Hoya this morning, he looked pretty much the same, but Pacquiao kept moving, and while Floyd was able to land his jab almost at will, Pacquiao was able to land the much harder left cross at all. There is no version of De La Hoya that would have been able to deal wtih what Pacquiao brought. He didn't look bad at all against Forbes, he looked good against Mayorga and Mayweather. Pacquiao had the right style, the right skills, and the right physical abilities to knock Oscar out IMO at any point in his career.

[Beanflicker]

He didn't look bad at all against Forbes, he looked good against Mayorga and Mayweather. Pacquiao had the right style, the right skills, and the right physical abilities to knock Oscar out IMO at any point in his career.

Gotta disagree there

[Boom Boom]

Oscar in his prime days was more of a mover. As he got older he started moving his head less and started blocking punches with his forearms. Watch his fight with Gatti and then watch him vs. Forbes. He is much more stiff now and he is clearly not the same as he was. Prime Oscar would have troubled Manny with his quickness on his feet and movement. Prime for prime its a tough call.

[josef4334]

Oscar in his prime days was more of a mover. As he got older he started moving his head less and started blocking punches with his forearms. Watch his fight with Gatti and then watch him vs. Forbes. He is much more stiff now and he is clearly not the same as he was. Prime Oscar would have troubled Manny with his quickness on his feet and movement. Prime for prime its a tough call.

i dont think oscar is a mover in his prime days. he was more of a bouncer. he bounces on his toes a lot but he is not a laterall mover. but then he always had stamina problems which made him stop bouncing. if you watch the quartey odlh fight. the only times he caugh bazooka was when he is on his toes. but for the most part of that fight bazooka had him on the defensive coz he always ran out of steam. too bad ike didnt capitalize and finish him.

[josef4334]

He didn't look bad at all against Forbes, he looked good against Mayorga and Mayweather. Pacquiao had the right style, the right skills, and the right physical abilities to knock Oscar out IMO at any point in his career.

Gotta disagree there

care to elaborate? we wanna know what you think./

[Chino]

He didn't look bad at all against Forbes, he looked good against Mayorga and Mayweather. Pacquiao had the right style, the right skills, and the right physical abilities to knock Oscar out IMO at any point in his career.

Gotta disagree there

care to elaborate? we wanna know what you think./

Watch ANY fight of Oscar in his prime. A few examples: Oscar vs Trinidad, Oscar vs Quartey, Oscar vs Gonzalez, Oscar vs Hopkins (eventhough he lost, he still looked sharp), Oscar vs Chavez, etc.. Look at the speed of his combinations, his piercing jab, that left hook, the vicious body punches, those uppercuts, etc.

Yes, Pac did have the right tools...against an old passed-his-prime ODLH. Something that he and his team even mentioned during interviews.

[AdamGB]

I just watched Pacquiao-De La Hoya and Mayweather-De La Hoya this morning, he looked pretty much the same, but Pacquiao kept moving, and while Floyd was able to land his jab almost at will, Pacquiao was able to land the much harder left cross at all. There is no version of De La Hoya that would have been able to deal wtih what Pacquiao brought. He didn't look bad at all against Forbes, he looked good against Mayorga and Mayweather. Pacquiao had the right style, the right skills, and the right physical abilities to knock Oscar out IMO at any point in his career.

ODLH lacked any sort of explosiveness or work rate... he circled basically one way around the ring the whole entire fight. Legs seemed to have failed him... he didn't use them at all.

[Bomp]

Who cares if ODLH said he was still at the top of his game? He clearly wasn't... far from it

He was weight drained and lethargic... still pretty good, Pac coming up in weight, can't take too much away from that... but he needs to wake up and put it a bit more into perspective.

His comments refferred to the situation BEFORE the fight. No critic/fan/'expert' gave PAc a shot, yet he took on such an apparent challenge for a derisory split, so now he rightly expects a little more respect at the negotiating table.

[Fenster]

Who cares if ODLH said he was still at the top of his game? He clearly wasn't... far from it

He was weight drained and lethargic... still pretty good, Pac coming up in weight, can't take too much away from that... but he needs to wake up and put it a bit more into perspective.

His comments refferred to the situation BEFORE the fight. No critic/fan/'expert' gave PAc a shot, yet he took on such an apparent challenge for a derisory split, so now he rightly expects a little more respect at the negotiating table.

That's a bit strong, Bomp.

He had an $11 million guarantee.. a career high payday by miles. And was coming off a terrible PPV showing against Diaz - 200,000 - plus shifted only 8,000 of 12,000 tickets.

[josef4334]

Who cares if ODLH said he was still at the top of his game? He clearly wasn't... far from it

He was weight drained and lethargic... still pretty good, Pac coming up in weight, can't take too much away from that... but he needs to wake up and put it a bit more into perspective.

His comments refferred to the situation BEFORE the fight. No critic/fan/'expert' gave PAc a shot, yet he took on such an apparent challenge for a derisory split, so now he rightly expects a little more respect at the negotiating table.

That's a bit strong, Bomp.

He had an $11 million guarantee.. a career high payday by miles. And was coming off a terrible PPV showing against Diaz - 200,000 - plus shifted only 8,000 of 12,000 tickets.

i think bomp is right for using a strong word. 68-32 split for odlh. he was the bigger guy, the bigger puncher, he was much more skilled. everyone was thinking that pac would get koed in that fight. yet odlh wont even give pac a 65-35 split despite his advantages. if it so happend that odlh knocked pac out to la la land, dont you think its more insulting to get a 32% share and get blasted? talking about adding insult to injury.

[Fenster]

His comments refferred to the situation BEFORE the fight. No critic/fan/'expert' gave PAc a shot, yet he took on such an apparent challenge for a derisory split, so now he rightly expects a little more respect at the negotiating table.

That's a bit strong, Bomp.

He had an $11 million guarantee.. a career high payday by miles. And was coming off a terrible PPV showing against Diaz - 200,000 - plus shifted only 8,000 of 12,000 tickets.

i think bomp is right for using a strong word. 68-32 split for odlh. he was the bigger guy, the bigger puncher, he was much more skilled. everyone was thinking that pac would get koed in that fight. yet odlh wont even give pac a 65-35 split despite his advantages. if it so happend that odlh knocked pac out to la la land, dont you think its more insulting to get a 32% share and get blasted? talking about adding insult to injury.

The fighter that generates the MOST money gets the bigger cut. How is that insulting to anyone?

Oscar can sell a million PPVs fighting mickey mouse. Pac can't. So why would Pac get anywhere NEAR Oscar's money? Being the best fighter or most skilled or P4P no.1 means virtually nothing.

Pac's best paydays were in $2 million range. He then gets $11 million+ for fighting Oscar. What's the problem? The prize against Oscar is the MONEY. That's why EVERYONE wants to fight him.

And Pac hit the jackpot by winning the fight. He can now demand an even BIGGER payday against another of boxings highest earning STARS.

[Bomp]

That's a bit strong, Bomp.

He had an $11 million guarantee.. a career high payday by miles. And was coming off a terrible PPV showing against Diaz - 200,000 - plus shifted only 8,000 of 12,000 tickets.

i think bomp is right for using a strong word. 68-32 split for odlh. he was the bigger guy, the bigger puncher, he was much more skilled. everyone was thinking that pac would get koed in that fight. yet odlh wont even give pac a 65-35 split despite his advantages. if it so happend that odlh knocked pac out to la la land, dont you think its more insulting to get a 32% share and get blasted? talking about adding insult to injury.

The fighter that generates the MOST money gets the bigger cut. How is that insulting to anyone?

Oscar can sell a million PPVs fighting mickey mouse. Pac can't. So why would Pac get anywhere NEAR Oscar's money? Being the best fighter or most skilled or P4P no.1 means virtually nothing.

Pac's best paydays were in $2 million range. He then gets $11 million+ for fighting Oscar. What's the problem? The prize against Oscar is the MONEY. That's why EVERYONE wants to fight him.

And Pac hit the jackpot by winning the fight. He can now demand an even BIGGER payday against another of boxings highest earning STARS.

I agree that being the primary money generator in a fight must be taken into consideration. But like your final sentence says, Pac has earned his negotiating position the hard way, after ODLH-Ricky got shelved after the pasting from Floyd.

My argument is against the Pac trasher's who write him off as a ducker when all he wanted was a little extra negotiation.

[Fenster]

i think bomp is right for using a strong word. 68-32 split for odlh. he was the bigger guy, the bigger puncher, he was much more skilled. everyone was thinking that pac would get koed in that fight. yet odlh wont even give pac a 65-35 split despite his advantages. if it so happend that odlh knocked pac out to la la land, dont you think its more insulting to get a 32% share and get blasted? talking about adding insult to injury.

The fighter that generates the MOST money gets the bigger cut. How is that insulting to anyone?

Oscar can sell a million PPVs fighting mickey mouse. Pac can't. So why would Pac get anywhere NEAR Oscar's money? Being the best fighter or most skilled or P4P no.1 means virtually nothing.

Pac's best paydays were in $2 million range. He then gets $11 million+ for fighting Oscar. What's the problem? The prize against Oscar is the MONEY. That's why EVERYONE wants to fight him.

And Pac hit the jackpot by winning the fight. He can now demand an even BIGGER payday against another of boxings highest earning STARS.

I agree that being the primary money generator in a fight must be taken into consideration. But like your final sentence says, Pac has earned his negotiating position the hard way, after ODLH-Ricky got shelved after the pasting from Floyd.

My argument is against the Pac trasher's who write him off as a ducker when all he wanted was a little extra negotiation.

I didn't think many people were serious about Pac ducking the fight.. i guess some were

Fans arguing about which multi-millionaire fighter deserves the bigger cut of their next multi-million dollar payday is totally ridiculous anyway

[AdamGB]

Who cares if ODLH said he was still at the top of his game? He clearly wasn't... far from it

He was weight drained and lethargic... still pretty good, Pac coming up in weight, can't take too much away from that... but he needs to wake up and put it a bit more into perspective.

His comments refferred to the situation BEFORE the fight. No critic/fan/'expert' gave PAc a shot, yet he took on such an apparent challenge for a derisory split, so now he rightly expects a little more respect at the negotiating table.

He is now negotiating after the fight, we all witnessed how it went down and the only way for him to rate himself is from that... not what ODLH said before the fight. What else was Oscar supposed to say going into the bout?