Hello fellas, I'm in for the vacation, what's this rumor I hear about 2012.

[pacfan]

After a tough year, I'm at last on a Christmas vacation. Back into the civilization, I heard some nasty rumors about the year 2012 - that's pretty soon. Can anyone here give me any factual, only the factual, basis for the rumor, like this Mayan calendar thing etc. Just wanna know if I should pack up or not. I'm more on the listening mode than on the writing one, kinda suffering from 'writer's block' after a long absence, or maybe just plain lazy. So you folks can run your one-man shows here for me. All right, I'll be listening, fellas...

Oops, I almost forgot, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you all - lovers and haters alike, friends and foes, not to mention the regular stalkers. Ok, I promise no "P" word here (you heard it, posters) 'cause some folks here get the chills the moment they hear the word, LOL, just kiddin'... ...back on to my couch...

[Andre]

Im glad you are well and back safe n sound, from the sound.

Merry Christmas to you too bro.

2012 wont be the end of the world mate, but change is imminent that is all.

We get what we put out there, so you should be able to determine what seeds we as humans have been planting in regards to what we may reap.

Like the ancients once said; bend in the wind and dont hold onto anything false.


Have faith that you and yours will be looked after and directed the best route.

[pacfan]

Thanks brother, always nice to see you. I've been missing some of you folks here but as I said at the start of the year that I'd have a busy year ahead with some new 'assignments,' I wasn't able to visit here as often as before. Thanks again for not making me talk to a blank wall again. People here are shy I guess to strangers, especially a strange bloke like me coming from some exotic jungle, haha.

Hey fellas, don't be shy and get in here and say something! I'm a pretty nice guy. I definitely don't bite... ...might just sting a bit though...

I'm relieved a bit to know that it won't be the end, Andre. I heard some rumors like sun bursting, meteors falling, volcanoes erupting and huge flood or deluge coming to earth, and here in the Philippines, there were water all over the place couple months back and now there's a volcano grumbling several miles away from here so I thought these might be the start of the great apocalypse of 2012. Wonder what made some people come up with these rumors...

[Andre]

Fear and history mate is why .

There will be big changes though, in the way things are run "as above so below", (and we are in the middle remember) and our effects run both ways we have the power to bring heaven down or raise hell up,we were given that but the effects are only felt here the rest of the universe is untouched).

Change means upheaval if you choose to view it that way,so the less material stuff that you try to hang onto the better off you will be,the less fixed judgments you have about what you will see and feel,and so on.

The more false things you try to hold fast to, the worse off you will be,because in the divine reality those things cannot exist and we as you know at the moment exist smack bang in the middle of duality with has poles and limits that we can measure things from within.


You already know exactly what rules everything, which cards beat all others.

I dont have to spell them all out for you here,hold onto them and let all the past go bro, then even if the worse occurs amongst some men while some of the changes take place you will have built within you what they can never take. Many will fight this tooth and nail, many people fear any change to their routine life; right down to their core belifes they fear change even more than they fear death itself and they will fight to keep it. Keep your faith in God that you will be looked after.

[Master]

Andre and Pacfan are talking very deeply fellas. Do not enter this board unless you have an IQ above 100.

[pacfan]

Geeze, Master, reading what you've said, I don't know if that was a compliment or otherwise...

...well, knowing Master a bit, I'd take it as a compliment.

Hey, Master, I know you've got some knowledge too to share about some of this world's ancient 'secrets, feel free to join us...
...and...
...you don't even have to be serious here.


Andre, maybe this is the 'chaos' before The big change you've always been talking about, check it out.

Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012

I usually don't believe these types of grim forecasts but what scares me is the supposed accuracy of their past forecasts, they're all listed on the lower part of the article. I don't see it happening but anything can happen, especially now when they world seems to be in a state of confusion, economically, environmentally... ...hope not though...
...but if it's something good, I guess it's something we've got to go through with... ...a period of purification, I guess...

[pacfan]

Could have been a bad link so here's another, through the google search, take your pick, there are thousands of them:

celente-predicts-revolution-food-riots-tax-rebellions-by-2012 - Google Search=


BTW Andre...




A Big Happy Birthday to you, my friend. Wishing you another enlightened and fruitful year ahead...

...watch your diet though...

[Andre]

Could have been a bad link so here's another, through the google search, take your pick, there are thousands of them:

celente-predicts-revolution-food-riots-tax-rebellions-by-2012 - Google Search=


BTW Andre...




A Big Happy Birthday to you, my friend. Wishing you another enlightened and fruitful year ahead...

...watch your diet though...

Thanks bro.


HAha Buddah growing = fat belly.

[Andre]

Andre and Pacfan are talking very deeply fellas. Do not enter this board unless you have an IQ above 100.

Funny you should say that, I believe we all have the same IQ potential; its just that taught things create walls,beliefs and judgments of others are even worse; so some cant use their own as well as some others in some areas.

Some use their genius level for only the things they love or feel comfortable with and so they cant see up other roads as easily as others who choose to look there can.


In that light, I'll share this..

Rather than being seduced by the 'peace' potentially derived from
avoiding the pain of sorrow, Jeshua teaches us that true healing
occurs only when we do step fully into the feeling.

Protecting oneself merely perpetuates our suffering encouraging the
Law of Attraction to once again re-visit conspiring again to open us
to the fullness of feeling. Sadness, sorrow, grief, rejection and
unworthiness are not resolved by hiding from but rather entering into.

Going down and into the feeling of these dynamics are that 'eye of
the needle' spoken about that we must pass through to find true peace
and wholeness at our soul level. Small wonder then that this
represents our most perceived fearful experience and therefore our
greatest challenge.

Is this JEWEL 'mistake' then yet another perfect 'setup'? providing
me with the first of my New Year resolutions? and dare I invoke this?

"In every moment let me feel my pain to my core and let me know my
utter vulnerability and my humility" thereby releasing me from the
prison I have created in my mind.

[Gandalf]

I've heard about this 2012 business, but I'm not sure I buy into any of that. I do think the 21st century will be the century in which some serious shit will go down though and it might well reach the point when the damage becomes too vast to ever consider fixing again (or even getting the opportunity to fix it). We are seeing it somewhat already in the inability to come to terms with the destruction of the environment. 50 years from now, I think we will see catastrohic changes with land lost and populations being forced to resettle in less than desirable locations. The climate will become unpredictable and farming will become increasingly volatile. With populations expected to keep rising, I struggle to see food supplies keeping up with demand. The oceans are already turning to acid and the eco system there, which is already suffering from overfishing, will get much worse.

Of course, the have nots will suffer and wither first, but the havoc will spread its way upwards. The elite will be okay, and many will see out the century, but it won't be an enviable life. And that's just the environmental issues, let's not even go into the possibilities of what might befall us politically. China, a country with no human rights, territorial demands and which pretty much owns America will be looking to be the player in the coming century. I can't see that resulting in anything positive.

The coming century will be a bleak one and I'm quite thankful that I probably won't see it out. I don't want any part in the mess that we call 'human civilisation'. It isn't very human nor very civilised. We are like ants ready for a cup of hot water to wash us all away.

[pacfan]

Thanks bro.


HAha Buddah growing = fat belly.

Haha, same problem here, the middle-age 'magic' is starting to do its work on my belly too so I've got to engage in some good workout everyday to fight that monster even Lord Buddah with all his wisdom can't handle. I've also made a sacred vow to do some extra workout everytime I treat myself to some extra sweets or some fastfoods. So before I decide to eat 'em, I usually ask myself 'am I willing to sweat it out just for this sonavagan?' Most of the time, I usually end up just taking a nap instead... poor pacfan.

I've heard about this 2012 business, but I'm not sure I buy into any of that. I do think the 21st century will be the century in which some serious shit will go down though and it might well reach the point when the damage becomes too vast to ever consider fixing again (or even getting the opportunity to fix it). We are seeing it somewhat already in the inability to come to terms with the destruction of the environment. 50 years from now, I think we will see catastrohic changes with land lost and populations being forced to resettle in less than desirable locations. The climate will become unpredictable and farming will become increasingly volatile. With populations expected to keep rising, I struggle to see food supplies keeping up with demand. The oceans are already turning to acid and the eco system there, which is already suffering from overfishing, will get much worse.

Of course, the have nots will suffer and wither first, but the havoc will spread its way upwards. The elite will be okay, and many will see out the century, but it won't be an enviable life. And that's just the environmental issues, let's not even go into the possibilities of what might befall us politically. China, a country with no human rights, territorial demands and which pretty much owns America will be looking to be the player in the coming century. I can't see that resulting in anything positive.

The coming century will be a bleak one and I'm quite thankful that I probably won't see it out. I don't want any part in the mess that we call 'human civilisation'. It isn't very human nor very civilised. We are like ants ready for a cup of hot water to wash us all away.

I pretty much agree with all that you've said here. I wonder if those 'carbon emission reduction' thing can do any good, methinks it's very, very doubtful - all the fuzz for nothing. I think we need something much more drastic...

I've also been wondering if helping the Chinese develop, by the Americans and the Japanese, was a good idea. Could it be the case of a monster in the making, unwittingly? But if it can't be avoided, then I just hope that China will correspondingly begin to be a more gentler as a nation as they develop, as that has usually been the trend among nations. I'm also a bit concerned about the possible decline of the US. Historically, every superpower went on a decline after several decades or centuries, like Spain and the Great Britain. So could it be possible what we're seeing now is the decline of the US and the rise of China? Hope not, at least not just yet. As arrogant as Uncle Sam may be, we're still not ready for the switch, IMO. On the possitive side, it's starting to be a little exciting to watch. Some important historical change seems to be in the offing... I must be hallucinating again.

[pacfan]

I've also noticed something. I've seen this Celente prediction of socio-economic chaos long before this Mayan calendar thing and the Celente prediction had nothing to to with the Mayan thing, at least I didn't notice it. But they're both pointing to the year 2012. Was is just a coincidence? Did Celente intentionally time it with the end of the Mayan calendar? If it was unintentional, then... hmmm... will it, or will it not ...I wonder...

...before I scare the heck out of some timid souls here, just remember this: doomsayers have come and gone - and they came by the thousands - but the doom never came...

[Gandalf]

I've also noticed something. I've seen this Celente prediction of socio-economic chaos long before this Mayan calendar thing and the Celente prediction had nothing to to with the Mayan thing, at least I didn't notice it. But they're both pointing to the year 2012. Was is just a coincidence? Did Celente intentionally time it with the end of the Mayan calendar? If it was unintentional, then... hmmm... will it, or will it not ...I wonder...

...before I scare the heck out of some timid souls here, just remember this: doomsayers have come and gone - and they came by the thousands - but the doom never came...

Gerald Celente is a man I always take the time to listen to. He is usually quite bleak, but he is realistic and looks at situations for what they are. There is a strong possibility of fireworks being set off in the next year or two. America is breaking right now and I can see Wall Street imploding again before too long, none of the economic mistakes have been rectified, so it's just a case of waiting until the bubble bursts. It's a shame the Americans have been so reckless with their military budgets and bail outs and have not tried to provide for their middle classes in over 30 years. Those people are the heart of any society and unfortunately they have been gutted like a fish. The UK is a sorry mess too, financially and culturally broken.

And the new order? It seems to be Asia with China leading the march. Like you said, it really is a case of the West having created a monster. It's all been about short term gains with no thought given to the long term consequences. Unfortunately, the long term consequences are just around the corner. "Hello no freedom of speech". "Hello no human rights". "Hello no freedom to access information". "Hello 1984". America has been pretty shitty for nigh on 40 years with decreasing standards of living, but at least you can say what you want when you want. Without even that most basic of privaleges, then a society has ceased to function. All the economic growth in the world cannot compensate for the right to say what you want.

[OumaFan]

Andre and Pacfan are talking very deeply fellas. Do not enter this board unless you have an IQ above 100.

Funny you should say that, I believe we all have the same IQ potential; its just that taught things create walls,beliefs and judgments of others are even worse; so some cant use their own as well as some others in some areas.

Some use their genius level for only the things they love or feel comfortable with and so they cant see up other roads as easily as others who choose to look there can.


In that light, I'll share this..

Rather than being seduced by the 'peace' potentially derived from
avoiding the pain of sorrow, Jeshua teaches us that true healing
occurs only when we do step fully into the feeling.

Protecting oneself merely perpetuates our suffering encouraging the
Law of Attraction to once again re-visit conspiring again to open us
to the fullness of feeling. Sadness, sorrow, grief, rejection and
unworthiness are not resolved by hiding from but rather entering into.

Going down and into the feeling of these dynamics are that 'eye of
the needle' spoken about that we must pass through to find true peace
and wholeness at our soul level. Small wonder then that this
represents our most perceived fearful experience and therefore our
greatest challenge.

Is this JEWEL 'mistake' then yet another perfect 'setup'? providing
me with the first of my New Year resolutions? and dare I invoke this?

"In every moment let me feel my pain to my core and let me know my
utter vulnerability and my humility" thereby releasing me from the
prison I have created in my mind.

I don't know, I don't think people are born "stupid" necessarily but some people have natural aptitudes for some things and others don't and vice versa. I tested off the charts ( ok I tested very highly) for reading comprehension and things like that but I'm a moron when it comes to math. Of course if I had smoked less pot and worked harder I would have done much better in math courses and basically figured it out but some people just understood it naturally much quicker than I did.

[OumaFan]

If the world ends in 2012 so be it. Not really something to spend a lot of time worrying about really.

Fucking Mayans.