Hello fellas, I'm in for the vacation, what's this rumor I hear about 2012.

[pacfan]

I've also noticed something. I've seen this Celente prediction of socio-economic chaos long before this Mayan calendar thing and the Celente prediction had nothing to to with the Mayan thing, at least I didn't notice it. But they're both pointing to the year 2012. Was is just a coincidence? Did Celente intentionally time it with the end of the Mayan calendar? If it was unintentional, then... hmmm... will it, or will it not ...I wonder...

...before I scare the heck out of some timid souls here, just remember this: doomsayers have come and gone - and they came by the thousands - but the doom never came...

[Gandalf]

I've also noticed something. I've seen this Celente prediction of socio-economic chaos long before this Mayan calendar thing and the Celente prediction had nothing to to with the Mayan thing, at least I didn't notice it. But they're both pointing to the year 2012. Was is just a coincidence? Did Celente intentionally time it with the end of the Mayan calendar? If it was unintentional, then... hmmm... will it, or will it not ...I wonder...

...before I scare the heck out of some timid souls here, just remember this: doomsayers have come and gone - and they came by the thousands - but the doom never came...

Gerald Celente is a man I always take the time to listen to. He is usually quite bleak, but he is realistic and looks at situations for what they are. There is a strong possibility of fireworks being set off in the next year or two. America is breaking right now and I can see Wall Street imploding again before too long, none of the economic mistakes have been rectified, so it's just a case of waiting until the bubble bursts. It's a shame the Americans have been so reckless with their military budgets and bail outs and have not tried to provide for their middle classes in over 30 years. Those people are the heart of any society and unfortunately they have been gutted like a fish. The UK is a sorry mess too, financially and culturally broken.

And the new order? It seems to be Asia with China leading the march. Like you said, it really is a case of the West having created a monster. It's all been about short term gains with no thought given to the long term consequences. Unfortunately, the long term consequences are just around the corner. "Hello no freedom of speech". "Hello no human rights". "Hello no freedom to access information". "Hello 1984". America has been pretty shitty for nigh on 40 years with decreasing standards of living, but at least you can say what you want when you want. Without even that most basic of privaleges, then a society has ceased to function. All the economic growth in the world cannot compensate for the right to say what you want.