Hello fellas, I'm in for the vacation, what's this rumor I hear about 2012.

[Master]

Andre and Pacfan are talking very deeply fellas. Do not enter this board unless you have an IQ above 100.

[Andre]

Andre and Pacfan are talking very deeply fellas. Do not enter this board unless you have an IQ above 100.

Funny you should say that, I believe we all have the same IQ potential; its just that taught things create walls,beliefs and judgments of others are even worse; so some cant use their own as well as some others in some areas.

Some use their genius level for only the things they love or feel comfortable with and so they cant see up other roads as easily as others who choose to look there can.


In that light, I'll share this..

Rather than being seduced by the 'peace' potentially derived from
avoiding the pain of sorrow, Jeshua teaches us that true healing
occurs only when we do step fully into the feeling.

Protecting oneself merely perpetuates our suffering encouraging the
Law of Attraction to once again re-visit conspiring again to open us
to the fullness of feeling. Sadness, sorrow, grief, rejection and
unworthiness are not resolved by hiding from but rather entering into.

Going down and into the feeling of these dynamics are that 'eye of
the needle' spoken about that we must pass through to find true peace
and wholeness at our soul level. Small wonder then that this
represents our most perceived fearful experience and therefore our
greatest challenge.

Is this JEWEL 'mistake' then yet another perfect 'setup'? providing
me with the first of my New Year resolutions? and dare I invoke this?

"In every moment let me feel my pain to my core and let me know my
utter vulnerability and my humility" thereby releasing me from the
prison I have created in my mind.

[Gandalf]

I've heard about this 2012 business, but I'm not sure I buy into any of that. I do think the 21st century will be the century in which some serious shit will go down though and it might well reach the point when the damage becomes too vast to ever consider fixing again (or even getting the opportunity to fix it). We are seeing it somewhat already in the inability to come to terms with the destruction of the environment. 50 years from now, I think we will see catastrohic changes with land lost and populations being forced to resettle in less than desirable locations. The climate will become unpredictable and farming will become increasingly volatile. With populations expected to keep rising, I struggle to see food supplies keeping up with demand. The oceans are already turning to acid and the eco system there, which is already suffering from overfishing, will get much worse.

Of course, the have nots will suffer and wither first, but the havoc will spread its way upwards. The elite will be okay, and many will see out the century, but it won't be an enviable life. And that's just the environmental issues, let's not even go into the possibilities of what might befall us politically. China, a country with no human rights, territorial demands and which pretty much owns America will be looking to be the player in the coming century. I can't see that resulting in anything positive.

The coming century will be a bleak one and I'm quite thankful that I probably won't see it out. I don't want any part in the mess that we call 'human civilisation'. It isn't very human nor very civilised. We are like ants ready for a cup of hot water to wash us all away.

[pacfan]

Thanks bro.


HAha Buddah growing = fat belly.

Haha, same problem here, the middle-age 'magic' is starting to do its work on my belly too so I've got to engage in some good workout everyday to fight that monster even Lord Buddah with all his wisdom can't handle. I've also made a sacred vow to do some extra workout everytime I treat myself to some extra sweets or some fastfoods. So before I decide to eat 'em, I usually ask myself 'am I willing to sweat it out just for this sonavagan?' Most of the time, I usually end up just taking a nap instead... poor pacfan.

I've heard about this 2012 business, but I'm not sure I buy into any of that. I do think the 21st century will be the century in which some serious shit will go down though and it might well reach the point when the damage becomes too vast to ever consider fixing again (or even getting the opportunity to fix it). We are seeing it somewhat already in the inability to come to terms with the destruction of the environment. 50 years from now, I think we will see catastrohic changes with land lost and populations being forced to resettle in less than desirable locations. The climate will become unpredictable and farming will become increasingly volatile. With populations expected to keep rising, I struggle to see food supplies keeping up with demand. The oceans are already turning to acid and the eco system there, which is already suffering from overfishing, will get much worse.

Of course, the have nots will suffer and wither first, but the havoc will spread its way upwards. The elite will be okay, and many will see out the century, but it won't be an enviable life. And that's just the environmental issues, let's not even go into the possibilities of what might befall us politically. China, a country with no human rights, territorial demands and which pretty much owns America will be looking to be the player in the coming century. I can't see that resulting in anything positive.

The coming century will be a bleak one and I'm quite thankful that I probably won't see it out. I don't want any part in the mess that we call 'human civilisation'. It isn't very human nor very civilised. We are like ants ready for a cup of hot water to wash us all away.

I pretty much agree with all that you've said here. I wonder if those 'carbon emission reduction' thing can do any good, methinks it's very, very doubtful - all the fuzz for nothing. I think we need something much more drastic...

I've also been wondering if helping the Chinese develop, by the Americans and the Japanese, was a good idea. Could it be the case of a monster in the making, unwittingly? But if it can't be avoided, then I just hope that China will correspondingly begin to be a more gentler as a nation as they develop, as that has usually been the trend among nations. I'm also a bit concerned about the possible decline of the US. Historically, every superpower went on a decline after several decades or centuries, like Spain and the Great Britain. So could it be possible what we're seeing now is the decline of the US and the rise of China? Hope not, at least not just yet. As arrogant as Uncle Sam may be, we're still not ready for the switch, IMO. On the possitive side, it's starting to be a little exciting to watch. Some important historical change seems to be in the offing... I must be hallucinating again.

[pacfan]

I've also noticed something. I've seen this Celente prediction of socio-economic chaos long before this Mayan calendar thing and the Celente prediction had nothing to to with the Mayan thing, at least I didn't notice it. But they're both pointing to the year 2012. Was is just a coincidence? Did Celente intentionally time it with the end of the Mayan calendar? If it was unintentional, then... hmmm... will it, or will it not ...I wonder...

...before I scare the heck out of some timid souls here, just remember this: doomsayers have come and gone - and they came by the thousands - but the doom never came...

[Gandalf]

I've also noticed something. I've seen this Celente prediction of socio-economic chaos long before this Mayan calendar thing and the Celente prediction had nothing to to with the Mayan thing, at least I didn't notice it. But they're both pointing to the year 2012. Was is just a coincidence? Did Celente intentionally time it with the end of the Mayan calendar? If it was unintentional, then... hmmm... will it, or will it not ...I wonder...

...before I scare the heck out of some timid souls here, just remember this: doomsayers have come and gone - and they came by the thousands - but the doom never came...

Gerald Celente is a man I always take the time to listen to. He is usually quite bleak, but he is realistic and looks at situations for what they are. There is a strong possibility of fireworks being set off in the next year or two. America is breaking right now and I can see Wall Street imploding again before too long, none of the economic mistakes have been rectified, so it's just a case of waiting until the bubble bursts. It's a shame the Americans have been so reckless with their military budgets and bail outs and have not tried to provide for their middle classes in over 30 years. Those people are the heart of any society and unfortunately they have been gutted like a fish. The UK is a sorry mess too, financially and culturally broken.

And the new order? It seems to be Asia with China leading the march. Like you said, it really is a case of the West having created a monster. It's all been about short term gains with no thought given to the long term consequences. Unfortunately, the long term consequences are just around the corner. "Hello no freedom of speech". "Hello no human rights". "Hello no freedom to access information". "Hello 1984". America has been pretty shitty for nigh on 40 years with decreasing standards of living, but at least you can say what you want when you want. Without even that most basic of privaleges, then a society has ceased to function. All the economic growth in the world cannot compensate for the right to say what you want.

[OumaFan]

Andre and Pacfan are talking very deeply fellas. Do not enter this board unless you have an IQ above 100.

Funny you should say that, I believe we all have the same IQ potential; its just that taught things create walls,beliefs and judgments of others are even worse; so some cant use their own as well as some others in some areas.

Some use their genius level for only the things they love or feel comfortable with and so they cant see up other roads as easily as others who choose to look there can.


In that light, I'll share this..

Rather than being seduced by the 'peace' potentially derived from
avoiding the pain of sorrow, Jeshua teaches us that true healing
occurs only when we do step fully into the feeling.

Protecting oneself merely perpetuates our suffering encouraging the
Law of Attraction to once again re-visit conspiring again to open us
to the fullness of feeling. Sadness, sorrow, grief, rejection and
unworthiness are not resolved by hiding from but rather entering into.

Going down and into the feeling of these dynamics are that 'eye of
the needle' spoken about that we must pass through to find true peace
and wholeness at our soul level. Small wonder then that this
represents our most perceived fearful experience and therefore our
greatest challenge.

Is this JEWEL 'mistake' then yet another perfect 'setup'? providing
me with the first of my New Year resolutions? and dare I invoke this?

"In every moment let me feel my pain to my core and let me know my
utter vulnerability and my humility" thereby releasing me from the
prison I have created in my mind.

I don't know, I don't think people are born "stupid" necessarily but some people have natural aptitudes for some things and others don't and vice versa. I tested off the charts ( ok I tested very highly) for reading comprehension and things like that but I'm a moron when it comes to math. Of course if I had smoked less pot and worked harder I would have done much better in math courses and basically figured it out but some people just understood it naturally much quicker than I did.

[OumaFan]

If the world ends in 2012 so be it. Not really something to spend a lot of time worrying about really.

Fucking Mayans.

[pacfan]

I've also noticed something. I've seen this Celente prediction of socio-economic chaos long before this Mayan calendar thing and the Celente prediction had nothing to to with the Mayan thing, at least I didn't notice it. But they're both pointing to the year 2012. Was is just a coincidence? Did Celente intentionally time it with the end of the Mayan calendar? If it was unintentional, then... hmmm... will it, or will it not ...I wonder...

...before I scare the heck out of some timid souls here, just remember this: doomsayers have come and gone - and they came by the thousands - but the doom never came...

Gerald Celente is a man I always take the time to listen to. He is usually quite bleak, but he is realistic and looks at situations for what they are. There is a strong possibility of fireworks being set off in the next year or two. America is breaking right now and I can see Wall Street imploding again before too long, none of the economic mistakes have been rectified, so it's just a case of waiting until the bubble bursts. It's a shame the Americans have been so reckless with their military budgets and bail outs and have not tried to provide for their middle classes in over 30 years. Those people are the heart of any society and unfortunately they have been gutted like a fish. The UK is a sorry mess too, financially and culturally broken.

And the new order? It seems to be Asia with China leading the march. Like you said, it really is a case of the West having created a monster. It's all been about short term gains with no thought given to the long term consequences. Unfortunately, the long term consequences are just around the corner. "Hello no freedom of speech". "Hello no human rights". "Hello no freedom to access information". "Hello 1984". America has been pretty shitty for nigh on 40 years with decreasing standards of living, but at least you can say what you want when you want. Without even that most basic of privaleges, then a society has ceased to function. All the economic growth in the world cannot compensate for the right to say what you want.

Ya, the whole Celente thing is not entirely impossible because they're not really talking of the end of, or more accurately, the chaos in, the physical word but rather in the 'socio-economic' sphere. No matter how nice the economists try to picture the situation now, the fact remains that the world is still sitting on huge financial 'landmines' that they are still trying to defuse one by one. As long as there are still lots of mines left out there, which is the case now, the world economy is sitting on a very, very shakey grounds and naturally, anything can happen in this situation. The Celente's grim prognosis is not entirely absurd, though I still doubt it. But, I hate to admit it, it is not impossible...

Andre and Pacfan are talking very deeply fellas. Do not enter this board unless you have an IQ above 100.

Funny you should say that, I believe we all have the same IQ potential; its just that taught things create walls,beliefs and judgments of others are even worse; so some cant use their own as well as some others in some areas.

Some use their genius level for only the things they love or feel comfortable with and so they cant see up other roads as easily as others who choose to look there can.


In that light, I'll share this..

Rather than being seduced by the 'peace' potentially derived from
avoiding the pain of sorrow, Jeshua teaches us that true healing
occurs only when we do step fully into the feeling.

Protecting oneself merely perpetuates our suffering encouraging the
Law of Attraction to once again re-visit conspiring again to open us
to the fullness of feeling. Sadness, sorrow, grief, rejection and
unworthiness are not resolved by hiding from but rather entering into.

Going down and into the feeling of these dynamics are that 'eye of
the needle' spoken about that we must pass through to find true peace
and wholeness at our soul level. Small wonder then that this
represents our most perceived fearful experience and therefore our
greatest challenge.

Is this JEWEL 'mistake' then yet another perfect 'setup'? providing
me with the first of my New Year resolutions? and dare I invoke this?

"In every moment let me feel my pain to my core and let me know my
utter vulnerability and my humility" thereby releasing me from the
prison I have created in my mind.

I don't know, I don't think people are born "stupid" necessarily but some people have natural aptitudes for some things and others don't and vice versa. I tested off the charts ( ok I tested very highly) for reading comprehension and things like that but I'm a moron when it comes to math. Of course if I had smoked less pot and worked harder I would have done much better in math courses and basically figured it out but some people just understood it naturally much quicker than I did.

If you guys believe in karma, there's a belief that the 'lesser' guys now were the more bad guys in the past lives. The more extreme belief is that the lowest creatures or animals were the baddest guys in their past lives. No, I don't buy that.

Talking of reincarnation, this is one of my crazy thoughts that I've been keeping to myself for a long time:

Most of you guys probably have heard about the so-called 'near death' or 'out-of-the-body' experiences where some guy's soul detaches from his body and, among other things, he is drawn into a dark tunnel with bright lights at the end. I was wondering if that tunnel might have been a womb of a mother about to give birth. I mean is it possible that once a person dies and his soul leaves the body, the soul looks for the nearest baby about to come out into the world. If that is the case, where does it leave us? Does that mean our soul is nothing but a pathetic parasite waiting to swoop down into the body of a hapless child about to be born?
Ok, before you say anything, I was just joking.

If the world ends in 2012 so be it. Not really something to spend a lot of time worrying about really.

Fucking Mayans.

I was thinking that way too, no problem with me as long as everyone else goes with me. I bet it's a lonely world there at the netherworld.

[Master]

I do not believe in reincarnation, that the world will end 2012. If Nostradamus can get it wrong anyone can.

[Andre]

I do not believe in reincarnation, that the world will end 2012. If Nostradamus can get it wrong anyone can.

I do believe in reincarnation


I dont belive the world will end in 2012


Spounge Bobs spirit will rise again


I will crawl out of the seas,my spirit will grow slowly over many millennium as i move from one species to the next and I will crawl out of the oceans stand and join a black happy tribe who dance continually and only use their sharkteeth for smiling the resemblance is uncanny.

[Andre]

Andre and Pacfan are talking very deeply fellas. Do not enter this board unless you have an IQ above 100.

Funny you should say that, I believe we all have the same IQ potential; its just that taught things create walls,beliefs and judgments of others are even worse; so some cant use their own as well as some others in some areas.

Some use their genius level for only the things they love or feel comfortable with and so they cant see up other roads as easily as others who choose to look there can.


In that light, I'll share this..

Rather than being seduced by the 'peace' potentially derived from
avoiding the pain of sorrow, Jeshua teaches us that true healing
occurs only when we do step fully into the feeling.

Protecting oneself merely perpetuates our suffering encouraging the
Law of Attraction to once again re-visit conspiring again to open us
to the fullness of feeling. Sadness, sorrow, grief, rejection and
unworthiness are not resolved by hiding from but rather entering into.

Going down and into the feeling of these dynamics are that 'eye of
the needle' spoken about that we must pass through to find true peace
and wholeness at our soul level. Small wonder then that this
represents our most perceived fearful experience and therefore our
greatest challenge.

Is this JEWEL 'mistake' then yet another perfect 'setup'? providing
me with the first of my New Year resolutions? and dare I invoke this?

"In every moment let me feel my pain to my core and let me know my
utter vulnerability and my humility" thereby releasing me from the
prison I have created in my mind.

I don't know, I don't think people are born "stupid" necessarily but some people have natural aptitudes for some things and others don't and vice versa. I tested off the charts ( ok I tested very highly) for reading comprehension and things like that but I'm a moron when it comes to math. Of course if I had smoked less pot and worked harder I would have done much better in math courses and basically figured it out but some people just understood it naturally much quicker than I did.

Thats just learnt stuff, Im slow too and educated to only 9th year, but I test at close to 140 when the tests are general.

Andrew is teetering on genius level at being Kid Thunder, noone else can achieve that ,only he can.

Some people are actually geniuses at failing they learn lessons others cant.

As a parent if you tell your kids they can achieve anything if they choose to, i think that helps them direct their brain .