After the Mayweather/Pac fallout who is really excited about Pac/Clottey?

[Gandalf]

I know that I am not excited about it. They keep announcing ancient or corrupt additions to the undercard and I still think to myself "Here is a P4P fighter who has ducked out of the biggest fight of the decade because of a refusal to take a drug test". I am not excited nor interested in Pac/Clottey at all. I am much more interested in Mayweather/Mosley and I don't really care all that much about what the preliminary lineup might be either.

Am I the only one that feels this way?

[CFH]

I'm not excited about it at all. I don't know if it's just backlash from the Pacquiao - Mayweather negotiations or what, but I'm just not anticipating this fight. Clottey is a legitimate welter-weight contender and he's a very credible opponent for Pacquiao, especially coming off the string of fights he's had, but to me the only question in this fight is whether or not Pacquiao is able to stop Clottey.

I must admit also that when I think about Pacquiao's accomplishments now they do feel somewhat tainted because of his refusal to undergo the drug-testing, so that certainly plays a role in my disinterest.

[Pugilistic]

I would much rather see a Pacquiao - Mayweather fight to be honest.

I'm happy to see Clottey get another shot at a big time fighter though, Clottey proved he could hang with the top guys against Cotto.

I think Clottey causes Pacquiao alot of trouble early with his tight guard and underated countering ability. I see Pacquiao upping the pace after 4 rounds and Clottey won't be able to match Pacquiao with workrate. If Clottey is able to maintain a good workrate though, he will be a seriously tough fight for Pac.

Pacquiao by unimpressive but quite clear decision.

[Total-Boxing]

Obviously the breakdown of the May/Pac fight is disappointing, but thats not to say it won't take place in future.

As a replacement Manny couldn't have chose a more tougher fighter. Clottey is huge and a solid fighter, who's never been stopped.

He could cause Manny problems with his size, but ultimately it is intriuing to see how Manny can deal with, and even stop him!

I'd have to go for a Manny UD, but it is not an easy fight for him at all!

[killersheep]

Obviously the breakdown of the May/Pac fight is disappointing, but thats not to say it won't take place in future.

As a replacement Manny couldn't have chose a more tougher fighter. Clottey is huge and a solid fighter, who's never been stopped.

He could cause Manny problems with his size, but ultimately it is intriuing to see how Manny can deal with, and even stop him!

I'd have to go for a Manny UD, but it is not an easy fight for him at all!

Clottey is big and durable yes, but his output is abysmal, and he simply plods forward with a high guard...............especially as fights go on. Pac wins this quite easily on sheer volume. I'm with CFH on this the only real question here is if Manny can stop him or not.

I mean outside of a lucky shot, can anyone really give me a scenario where Clottey can win this?

The only real question here is if Clottey makes weight or not. He has missed the 147 mark 11 times already in his career.

[blegit]

Obviously the breakdown of the May/Pac fight is disappointing, but thats not to say it won't take place in future.

As a replacement Manny couldn't have chose a more tougher fighter. Clottey is huge and a solid fighter, who's never been stopped.

He could cause Manny problems with his size, but ultimately it is intriuing to see how Manny can deal with, and even stop him!

I'd have to go for a Manny UD, but it is not an easy fight for him at all!

Clottey is big and durable yes, but his output is abysmal, and he simply plods forward with a high guard...............especially as fights go on. Pac wins this quite easily on sheer volume. I'm with CFH on this the only real question here is if Manny can stop him or not.

I mean outside of a lucky shot, can anyone really give me a scenario where Clottey can win this?

The only real question here is if Clottey makes weight or not. He has missed the 147 mark 11 times already in his career.

I didn't know Clottey missed 147 that much! He is too big for the weight then. But knowing that why isn't Clottey's dollar/lb. stipulation against Pac ridiculous like they pulled on PBF? I'm starting to wonder how much did Pac really want that fight. PBF stuck to his guns against Mosley, a known PED cheat, why didn't Pac stick to his against Clottey who obviously comes in over 147 way too much? Anyway, I am one of the few who is actually excited for the Pac/Clottey fight. I am not big on Clottey but I do like to watch Pac fight and the more I think about this match up I lean towards a Pac stoppage. Clottey will be a punching bag waiting for his turn to punch. But I think Clottey or someone in his camp has to know that he must impose his size and be more aggressive and not hold back like he typically does. So I guess I am excited in hopes that Clottey sees what everybody else does and makes this fight interesting. When he had his aggressive moments against Cotto, 2 or 3 times, he looked good and effective. So I'm hoping he has learned his lesson in letting the Cotto fight slip. Along with the Margarito fight, not stopping Corrales, and barely eking out a victory against a badly cut Judah. Clottey has to learn to be aggressive at some point doesn't he? Doesn't he?

[generalbulldog]

Obviously the breakdown of the May/Pac fight is disappointing, but thats not to say it won't take place in future.

As a replacement Manny couldn't have chose a more tougher fighter. Clottey is huge and a solid fighter, who's never been stopped.

He could cause Manny problems with his size, but ultimately it is intriuing to see how Manny can deal with, and even stop him!

I'd have to go for a Manny UD, but it is not an easy fight for him at all!

Clottey is big and durable yes, but his output is abysmal, and he simply plods forward with a high guard...............especially as fights go on. Pac wins this quite easily on sheer volume. I'm with CFH on this the only real question here is if Manny can stop him or not.

I mean outside of a lucky shot, can anyone really give me a scenario where Clottey can win this?

The only real question here is if Clottey makes weight or not. He has missed the 147 mark 11 times already in his career.

This fight would have been great a year back after Pac's victory over Oscar to see if he could fight a prime legitimate welter, but now that everyone sees Pac as a genuine welter?

I usually buy only 1 ppv a year, so it's Mayweather vs Balco Shane.

[Mar]

I am...there is more to boxing than those two. You know why they BOTH can get away with all thier bullshit and silly games is cause we let them. I look forward to any big fight and this is a big fight. It'll have more action than floyd one side-ingly beating mosely's ass and the result is more in question as well. If clottey comes in weighing all crazy and decides to take his hands away from his face long enough to punch instead of just bitching about loosing than maybe he can do some things. I already see things tilting towards pac with them being shady and just so happening not to know joshua can't get his trainer over here among other things but hey i'll take it.

[generalbulldog]

You know what, after Pac beats Clottey I have a feeling he's going to fight Margarito next. I just have that gut feeling.

[Master]

Not excited about Pac fighting Clottey or Marg at all.

[JazMerkin]

I'm not at all excited about this fight. Clottey is a dream style match-up for Manny. The only question is whether he can stop him. Plus Arum has already started talking about who Pacquiao fights after Clottey (Margarito, Valero), which tells you all you need to know about how dangerous a fight this is.

Also Uncie Bob hasn't chosen to help Clottey with getting his trainer a visa into the country, meaning that Clottey will have had about 2 weeks less training than Manny by the time they fight, not to mention more weight to cut.

I wouldn't be surprised if he missed the limit, but as others have said Team Pacquiao's consistency on the weight penalty demand is sadly lacking. Considering there was a $10m per pound penalty with Mayweather of a likely $40m purse, you'd think a $250,000 penalty per pound of Clottey's $1m purse. Talking of which given that I remember reading that Manny was gettin $10m for this fight, that makes it one hell of a split.

[Majesty]

My main question is, knowing how often Clottey has missed 147 and the fact he comes in fight night so heavy. Why isn't Pacquiao doing the "each pound over 10million dollars" thing he tried with Floyd? Floyd is staying true to what he wanted and is asking Mosley to take drug tests which Shane has accepted. Why isn't Pacquiao sticking to what he says?

Floyd ultimately comes out of this looking better then pac. Pacquiao ducks out of a fight with Mayweather over a drug test and fights Clottey. Floyd bides his time, waits for the opportunity and makes a fight the fans want to see.

The idiocy of Bob Arum is that he was in such a rush to make Pacquiao a fight to try to make Floyd look bad, now because they weren't business smart like Floyd was they fight Clottey while Mayweather fights Mosley in a fight EVERYONE has been claiming for, for a long long time now. So in the end it makes Pacquiao look like less of a somebody then Mayweather is. Mayweather leaves one superfight and makes another. Pacquiao leaves one superfight and makes an HBO boxing after dark Main event that's gonna be on ppv.

[Gandalf]

My main question is, knowing how often Clottey has missed 147 and the fact he comes in fight night so heavy. Why isn't Pacquiao doing the "each pound over 10million dollars" thing he tried with Floyd? Floyd is staying true to what he wanted and is asking Mosley to take drug tests which Shane has accepted. Why isn't Pacquiao sticking to what he says?

Floyd ultimately comes out of this looking better then pac. Pacquiao ducks out of a fight with Mayweather over a drug test and fights Clottey. Floyd bides his time, waits for the opportunity and makes a fight the fans want to see.

The idiocy of Bob Arum is that he was in such a rush to make Pacquiao a fight to try to make Floyd look bad, now because they weren't business smart like Floyd was they fight Clottey while Mayweather fights Mosley in a fight EVERYONE has been claiming for, for a long long time now. So in the end it makes Pacquiao look like less of a somebody then Mayweather is. Mayweather leaves one superfight and makes another. Pacquiao leaves one superfight and makes an HBO boxing after dark Main event that's gonna be on ppv.

That final paragraph sums it up very nicely. Pac/Clottey is nothing but a huge anti-climax after the temptation of Mayweather/Pac.

And like you say, Mayweather has remained consistent in his requests which suggests that it is something he really believes in. Pac and the weight demands, oh they will flip flop whenever it suits them. It makes them look really bad. How can you suddenly forget about a demand if it is something you feel is important? It just doesn't make any sense.

[Majesty]

My main question is, knowing how often Clottey has missed 147 and the fact he comes in fight night so heavy. Why isn't Pacquiao doing the "each pound over 10million dollars" thing he tried with Floyd? Floyd is staying true to what he wanted and is asking Mosley to take drug tests which Shane has accepted. Why isn't Pacquiao sticking to what he says?

Floyd ultimately comes out of this looking better then pac. Pacquiao ducks out of a fight with Mayweather over a drug test and fights Clottey. Floyd bides his time, waits for the opportunity and makes a fight the fans want to see.

The idiocy of Bob Arum is that he was in such a rush to make Pacquiao a fight to try to make Floyd look bad, now because they weren't business smart like Floyd was they fight Clottey while Mayweather fights Mosley in a fight EVERYONE has been claiming for, for a long long time now. So in the end it makes Pacquiao look like less of a somebody then Mayweather is. Mayweather leaves one superfight and makes another. Pacquiao leaves one superfight and makes an HBO boxing after dark Main event that's gonna be on ppv.

That final paragraph sums it up very nicely. Pac/Clottey is nothing but a huge anti-climax after the temptation of Mayweather/Pac.

And like you say, Mayweather has remained consistent in his requests which suggests that it is something he really believes in. Pac and the weight demands, oh they will flip flop whenever it suits them. It makes them look really bad. How can you suddenly forget about a demand if it is something you feel is important? It just doesn't make any sense.

And it's not just that, Clottey comes into fights at above 170 at times I think. Mayweather only did it once against Marquez and it wasn't even because he couldn't make the weight. The weight he made was 147 so why would he ever come in over for the fight with Pacquiao? Clottey on the other hand is consistently heavy especially the night of the fight. He is someone you should have a stipulation for. yet for them to have that stipulation for Mayweather and not for Clottey is such a double standard it makes them look worse. It makes it seem like their stipulation was only for people that hate on Floyd for coming in at 147 against Marquez and not because it's something they really believe in. Funny thing is the guy everyone tries to paint as inconsistent(Floyd) has been the most consistent person throughout both fight bargains, Pacquiao and his team flip flop and flip flop so who really looks worse? The saddening thing is none of these professional unbiased journalists are bringing this up.

[blegit]

My main question is, knowing how often Clottey has missed 147 and the fact he comes in fight night so heavy. Why isn't Pacquiao doing the "each pound over 10million dollars" thing he tried with Floyd? Floyd is staying true to what he wanted and is asking Mosley to take drug tests which Shane has accepted. Why isn't Pacquiao sticking to what he says?

Floyd ultimately comes out of this looking better then pac. Pacquiao ducks out of a fight with Mayweather over a drug test and fights Clottey. Floyd bides his time, waits for the opportunity and makes a fight the fans want to see.

The idiocy of Bob Arum is that he was in such a rush to make Pacquiao a fight to try to make Floyd look bad, now because they weren't business smart like Floyd was they fight Clottey while Mayweather fights Mosley in a fight EVERYONE has been claiming for, for a long long time now. So in the end it makes Pacquiao look like less of a somebody then Mayweather is. Mayweather leaves one superfight and makes another. Pacquiao leaves one superfight and makes an HBO boxing after dark Main event that's gonna be on ppv.

That final paragraph sums it up very nicely. Pac/Clottey is nothing but a huge anti-climax after the temptation of Mayweather/Pac.

And like you say, Mayweather has remained consistent in his requests which suggests that it is something he really believes in. Pac and the weight demands, oh they will flip flop whenever it suits them. It makes them look really bad. How can you suddenly forget about a demand if it is something you feel is important? It just doesn't make any sense.

And it's not just that, Clottey comes into fights at above 170 at times I think. Mayweather only did it once against Marquez and it wasn't even because he couldn't make the weight. The weight he made was 147 so why would he ever come in over for the fight with Pacquiao? Clottey on the other hand is consistently heavy especially the night of the fight. He is someone you should have a stipulation for. yet for them to have that stipulation for Mayweather and not for Clottey is such a double standard it makes them look worse. It makes it seem like their stipulation was only for people that hate on Floyd for coming in at 147 against Marquez and not because it's something they really believe in. Funny thing is the guy everyone tries to paint as inconsistent(Floyd) has been the most consistent person throughout both fight bargains, Pacquiao and his team flip flop and flip flop so who really looks worse? The saddening thing is none of these professional unbiased journalists are bringing this up.

This is way too true. That is just the problem. Pac's overly zealous fans are going to be there. But Pac gets unfair obvious bias protection from journalists who twist things and leave facts out to favor Pac. And this is what has turned a lot of fans and would-have-been Pac fans away.