And used to think L Holmes was a jerk BEFORE this week

[TitoFan]

Larry Holmes might be a HOF heavyweight. I still can't stand the jerk. I remember when he ran at the mouth saying that Rocky Marciano "couldn't carry my jock." I also remember how everything was racial to him. Gerry Cooney got more press 'cause he was white, blah, blah, blah. I used to root for him to get KTFO'ed, and totally loved it when Tyson did the honors.

But he topped himself on the Ali-Frazier III ESPN Classic special. Talk about sour grapes and being an old bitter jerk. He's talking about Ali in an interview, and starts by saying: "Ali was/is a great person, but..." Hell, I knew he was going to say something critical, like ".....but he didn't have a good right hand." Or, ".....but he left himself open for the left hook." But no. The bitter jerk finished it by saying: ".....but he was totally overrated." WTF?!?!? Who the hell do you think you are, you two-bit bum? Just 'cause you've always been jealous of the attention Ali got during his career, is no reason to be pot-shotting one of the greatest of all time.

I'm sorry, I just can't stand the jerk... I don't care HOW many buildings he put up in Easton, PA. I hope he tries a comeback against a Klitschko.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Larry Holmes might be a HOF heavyweight. I still can't stand the jerk. I remember when he ran at the mouth saying that Rocky Marciano "couldn't carry my jock." I also remember how everything was racial to him. Gerry Cooney got more press 'cause he was white, blah, blah, blah. I used to root for him to get KTFO'ed, and totally loved it when Tyson did the honors.

But he topped himself on the Ali-Frazier III ESPN Classic special. Talk about sour grapes and being an old bitter jerk. He's talking about Ali in an interview, and starts by saying: "Ali was/is a great person, but..." Hell, I knew he was going to say something critical, like ".....but he didn't have a good right hand." Or, ".....but he left himself open for the left hook." But no. The bitter jerk finished it by saying: ".....but he was totally overrated." WTF?!?!? Who the hell do you think you are, you two-bit bum? Just 'cause you've always been jealous of the attention Ali got during his career, is no reason to be pot-shotting one of the greatest of all time.

I'm sorry, I just can't stand the jerk... I don't care HOW many buildings he put up in Easton, PA. I hope he tries a comeback against a Klitschko.

i agree that Holmes is a bit of an asshole at times, and extremely bitter, but his ass did have a right to complain during the Cooney fight

[TitoFan]

Larry Holmes might be a HOF heavyweight. I still can't stand the jerk. I remember when he ran at the mouth saying that Rocky Marciano "couldn't carry my jock." I also remember how everything was racial to him. Gerry Cooney got more press 'cause he was white, blah, blah, blah. I used to root for him to get KTFO'ed, and totally loved it when Tyson did the honors.

But he topped himself on the Ali-Frazier III ESPN Classic special. Talk about sour grapes and being an old bitter jerk. He's talking about Ali in an interview, and starts by saying: "Ali was/is a great person, but..." Hell, I knew he was going to say something critical, like ".....but he didn't have a good right hand." Or, ".....but he left himself open for the left hook." But no. The bitter jerk finished it by saying: ".....but he was totally overrated." WTF?!?!? Who the hell do you think you are, you two-bit bum? Just 'cause you've always been jealous of the attention Ali got during his career, is no reason to be pot-shotting one of the greatest of all time.

I'm sorry, I just can't stand the jerk... I don't care HOW many buildings he put up in Easton, PA. I hope he tries a comeback against a Klitschko.

i agree that Holmes is a bit of an asshole at times, and extremely bitter, but his ass did have a right to complain during the Cooney fight

It's just the whole package. If a Shane Mosley were to complain about racism, I'd be all ears. And he'd probably be right (just an example). But coming from Holmes.... I just can't stomach anything that man has to say. And for the record, I think he got just as much press as Cooney did. But c'mon, since the day that white HW champions became scarce, the press has ALWAYS sought out the next "Great White Hope." It certainly wasn't a slight directed at Holmes, who I thought ALWAYS got his due from the press.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Larry Holmes might be a HOF heavyweight. I still can't stand the jerk. I remember when he ran at the mouth saying that Rocky Marciano "couldn't carry my jock." I also remember how everything was racial to him. Gerry Cooney got more press 'cause he was white, blah, blah, blah. I used to root for him to get KTFO'ed, and totally loved it when Tyson did the honors.

But he topped himself on the Ali-Frazier III ESPN Classic special. Talk about sour grapes and being an old bitter jerk. He's talking about Ali in an interview, and starts by saying: "Ali was/is a great person, but..." Hell, I knew he was going to say something critical, like ".....but he didn't have a good right hand." Or, ".....but he left himself open for the left hook." But no. The bitter jerk finished it by saying: ".....but he was totally overrated." WTF?!?!? Who the hell do you think you are, you two-bit bum? Just 'cause you've always been jealous of the attention Ali got during his career, is no reason to be pot-shotting one of the greatest of all time.

I'm sorry, I just can't stand the jerk... I don't care HOW many buildings he put up in Easton, PA. I hope he tries a comeback against a Klitschko.

i agree that Holmes is a bit of an asshole at times, and extremely bitter, but his ass did have a right to complain during the Cooney fight

It's just the whole package. If a Shane Mosley were to complain about racism, I'd be all ears. And he'd probably be right (just an example). But coming from Holmes.... I just can't stomach anything that man has to say. And for the record, I think he got just as much press as Cooney did. But c'mon, since the day that white HW champions became scarce, the press has ALWAYS sought out the next "Great White Hope." It certainly wasn't a slight directed at Holmes, who I thought ALWAYS got his due from the press.

yea but the thing i found fucked up was that the president of the USA Ronald Reagan calls Cooney in his locker room to wish him luck, and then they announce Larry Holmes THE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD before they announce the challenger lol that's fucked up

[TitoFan]

i agree that Holmes is a bit of an asshole at times, and extremely bitter, but his ass did have a right to complain during the Cooney fight

It's just the whole package. If a Shane Mosley were to complain about racism, I'd be all ears. And he'd probably be right (just an example). But coming from Holmes.... I just can't stomach anything that man has to say. And for the record, I think he got just as much press as Cooney did. But c'mon, since the day that white HW champions became scarce, the press has ALWAYS sought out the next "Great White Hope." It certainly wasn't a slight directed at Holmes, who I thought ALWAYS got his due from the press.

yea but the thing i found fucked up was that the president of the USA Ronald Reagan calls Cooney in his locker room to wish him luck, and then they announce Larry Holmes THE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD before they announce the challenger lol that's fucked up

The announcement part... yeah... that's not cool. Someone's head should've rolled. But Reagan? C'mon. Reagan the boxing fan is free to call whomever he wants. Holmes shouldn't have been such a baby about it.

[ElTerribleMorales]

It's just the whole package. If a Shane Mosley were to complain about racism, I'd be all ears. And he'd probably be right (just an example). But coming from Holmes.... I just can't stomach anything that man has to say. And for the record, I think he got just as much press as Cooney did. But c'mon, since the day that white HW champions became scarce, the press has ALWAYS sought out the next "Great White Hope." It certainly wasn't a slight directed at Holmes, who I thought ALWAYS got his due from the press.

yea but the thing i found fucked up was that the president of the USA Ronald Reagan calls Cooney in his locker room to wish him luck, and then they announce Larry Holmes THE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD before they announce the challenger lol that's fucked up

The announcement part... yeah... that's not cool. Someone's head should've rolled. But Reagan? C'mon. Reagan the boxing fan is free to call whomever he wants. Holmes shouldn't have been such a baby about it.

never seen like that happen again though, gotta hand it to larry though, he's hilarious even though his as isn't tryin to be lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8b7n9U6D3Y

[The Shadow]

Larry Holmes might be a HOF heavyweight. I still can't stand the jerk. I remember when he ran at the mouth saying that Rocky Marciano "couldn't carry my jock." I also remember how everything was racial to him. Gerry Cooney got more press 'cause he was white, blah, blah, blah. I used to root for him to get KTFO'ed, and totally loved it when Tyson did the honors.

But he topped himself on the Ali-Frazier III ESPN Classic special. Talk about sour grapes and being an old bitter jerk. He's talking about Ali in an interview, and starts by saying: "Ali was/is a great person, but..." Hell, I knew he was going to say something critical, like ".....but he didn't have a good right hand." Or, ".....but he left himself open for the left hook." But no. The bitter jerk finished it by saying: ".....but he was totally overrated." WTF?!?!? Who the hell do you think you are, you two-bit bum? Just 'cause you've always been jealous of the attention Ali got during his career, is no reason to be pot-shotting one of the greatest of all time.

I'm sorry, I just can't stand the jerk... I don't care HOW many buildings he put up in Easton, PA. I hope he tries a comeback against a Klitschko.

Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. Larry has said some stupid things over the times, but it was a very polarized, racially divided country back then. I think that had a lot to do with the Marciano comment.
However, hands down, Holmes had the best jab that I've ever seen, and its never been duplicated by any boxer.

P.S.- Puerto Rican fighters can't hold a jock strap to Mexican fighters.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Larry Holmes might be a HOF heavyweight. I still can't stand the jerk. I remember when he ran at the mouth saying that Rocky Marciano "couldn't carry my jock." I also remember how everything was racial to him. Gerry Cooney got more press 'cause he was white, blah, blah, blah. I used to root for him to get KTFO'ed, and totally loved it when Tyson did the honors.

But he topped himself on the Ali-Frazier III ESPN Classic special. Talk about sour grapes and being an old bitter jerk. He's talking about Ali in an interview, and starts by saying: "Ali was/is a great person, but..." Hell, I knew he was going to say something critical, like ".....but he didn't have a good right hand." Or, ".....but he left himself open for the left hook." But no. The bitter jerk finished it by saying: ".....but he was totally overrated." WTF?!?!? Who the hell do you think you are, you two-bit bum? Just 'cause you've always been jealous of the attention Ali got during his career, is no reason to be pot-shotting one of the greatest of all time.

I'm sorry, I just can't stand the jerk... I don't care HOW many buildings he put up in Easton, PA. I hope he tries a comeback against a Klitschko.

Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. Larry has said some stupid things over the times, but it was a very polarized, racially divided country back then. I think that had a lot to do with the Marciano comment.
However, hands down, Holmes had the best jab that I've ever seen, and its never been duplicated by any boxer.

P.S.- Puerto Rican fighters can't hold a jock strap to Mexican fighters.

yet we have the most champions per capita in all of boxing history

and have count em 6 champions right now

Daniel Santos
Miguel Cotto
Roman "Rocky" Martinez
Juanma Lopez
Jose "Carita" Lopez
Ivan "Iron Boy" Calderon

[The Shadow]

Larry Holmes might be a HOF heavyweight. I still can't stand the jerk. I remember when he ran at the mouth saying that Rocky Marciano "couldn't carry my jock." I also remember how everything was racial to him. Gerry Cooney got more press 'cause he was white, blah, blah, blah. I used to root for him to get KTFO'ed, and totally loved it when Tyson did the honors.

But he topped himself on the Ali-Frazier III ESPN Classic special. Talk about sour grapes and being an old bitter jerk. He's talking about Ali in an interview, and starts by saying: "Ali was/is a great person, but..." Hell, I knew he was going to say something critical, like ".....but he didn't have a good right hand." Or, ".....but he left himself open for the left hook." But no. The bitter jerk finished it by saying: ".....but he was totally overrated." WTF?!?!? Who the hell do you think you are, you two-bit bum? Just 'cause you've always been jealous of the attention Ali got during his career, is no reason to be pot-shotting one of the greatest of all time.

I'm sorry, I just can't stand the jerk... I don't care HOW many buildings he put up in Easton, PA. I hope he tries a comeback against a Klitschko.

Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. Larry has said some stupid things over the times, but it was a very polarized, racially divided country back then. I think that had a lot to do with the Marciano comment.
However, hands down, Holmes had the best jab that I've ever seen, and its never been duplicated by any boxer.

P.S.- Puerto Rican fighters can't hold a jock strap to Mexican fighters.

yet we have the most champions per capita in all of boxing history

and have count em 6 champions right now

Daniel Santos
Miguel Cotto
Roman "Rocky" Martinez
Juanma Lopez
Jose "Carita" Lopez
Ivan "Iron Boy" Calderon

I was just pulling your leg, man. LOL There are a ton of great Puerto Rican fighters. I still admire the Mexican work ethic more, though.

[TitoFan]

Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. Larry has said some stupid things over the times, but it was a very polarized, racially divided country back then. I think that had a lot to do with the Marciano comment.
However, hands down, Holmes had the best jab that I've ever seen, and its never been duplicated by any boxer.

P.S.- Puerto Rican fighters can't hold a jock strap to Mexican fighters.

yet we have the most champions per capita in all of boxing history

and have count em 6 champions right now

Daniel Santos
Miguel Cotto
Roman "Rocky" Martinez
Juanma Lopez
Jose "Carita" Lopez
Ivan "Iron Boy" Calderon

I was just pulling your leg, man. LOL There are a ton of great Puerto Rican fighters. I still admire the Mexican work ethic more, though.

El Terrible's right about the per capita champions, you know. And I have the Excel spreadsheet to prove it if you'd like to see it. Regarding the "Mexican work ethic", so you're an expert on this field are you. I'd like to know how you got to THAT conclusion.

[The Shadow]

yet we have the most champions per capita in all of boxing history

and have count em 6 champions right now

Daniel Santos
Miguel Cotto
Roman "Rocky" Martinez
Juanma Lopez
Jose "Carita" Lopez
Ivan "Iron Boy" Calderon

I was just pulling your leg, man. LOL There are a ton of great Puerto Rican fighters. I still admire the Mexican work ethic more, though.

El Terrible's right about the per capita champions, you know. And I have the Excel spreadsheet to prove it if you'd like to see it. Regarding the "Mexican work ethic", so you're an expert on this field are you. I'd like to know how you got to THAT conclusion.

Never said I was an "expert", Titofan. Just an old-school, boxing enthusiast.
As to my conclusion on the work ethic comment: I just feel that the Mexican boxing culture is the most superior in terms of history and what's expected from their fighters. I really can't think of any 'substantial' Mexican boxers that didn't break their arses in preparation for a bout. It seems to be ingrained in their blood and culture. I can't say the same thing about Puerto Rican fighters...well, some of them anyway.
Perhaps the tables are beginning to turn, though. I'm not sure. I don't fanatically follow any and all boxing matches like I used to when I was a kid. Guess I'm getting old.
I can say definitively and without reservation that American fighters - particularly Heavy-Weights - are a lazy lot of unmotivated bums. The Klitschko's just aren't that good, but they are the best the HW division has to offer, which is actually pretty sad.

[rjj tszyu]

I must admit I used to quite like Larry Holmes. I have his career boxset and so on. But then I was watching ESPN Classic and I think it was the top 10 HW's in history when he was on with Bert Sugar and Brian Kenny and he was just unable to give anyone else any credit and he was saying he was the greatest of all time. Totally lost all my respect that day!