How good was the Golota that fought Bowe?

[BIG H]

He certainly had a very short prime, but in those 2 fights he dominated one of the best HWs of the era. If he continued that form, how good could he have been?

[Mark TKO]

or did he just have Bowe's number ?

I remember when the Lewis fight was announced and I thought heyup Lennox could be in trouble - how wrong was I.

Christ bet that was 13-14 years go now !

[Mctaggert]

I think Golota was pretty good as a boxer, but the guy had no heart. Bowe by that time also had brain damage. It's not even up for interpretation it’s just bloody obvious.

I think what you can say about Golota is that he was a proper heavyweight who could box, jab and punch, but just lacked guts and dare I say it brains.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Some ppl put it down to the maskaev v rahmam syndrome! Personally i think golota was more than that. I dont think it was a case of maskaev or golota just having there number, i think it was a case of 2 fighters being underrated and 2 fighters being overrated. Rahman just wasn't that good (on a consistant basis) and bowe just wasn't destined to be a long reigning champ, he turned into a fat blob. He also got an outright gift decision vs tony tubbs, he could quite easily have gone 1-2 rather than 2-1 against a 205lb holyfield had parachute man not saved him from the beatdown evander was putting on him, he was out on his feet against hide too...

In his prime he was an Elite-Level talented fighter but also a mental midget, no one denies it. Past prime he improved mentally but his great jab was gone with an accident and a serious chunk of his athleticism was just gone with time.

He still should be a champ in the division abandoned by Lewis and not yet taken over by Klits but he was shamefully robbed vs ruiz and the byrd fight was debateable too, Hardly anyone denies that too.

His fight with the 6'6" american corey sanders was just an absolute slugfest, he was impressive vs witherspoon (tim to this day swears golota hit him harder than any fighter ever!) and if he had committed more in the fight with michael grant he would have took him out early too, the bowe fights are 2 of my favourite HW clashes ever so for that he always has me as a fan but ultimately he fought on way past his best and just couldn't get it together!

Had his head always been in tact, he would surely be knocking on or just below the lewis/Klitschkos level, but it wasn't. That's all there is to it.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Some ppl put it down to the maskaev v rahmam syndrome! Personally i think golota was more than that. I dont think it was a case of maskaev or golota just having there number, i think it was a case of 2 fighters being underrated and 2 fighters being overrated. Rahman just wasn't that good (on a consistant basis) and bowe just wasn't destined to be a long reigning champ, he turned into a fat blob. He also got an outright gift decision vs tony tubbs, he could quite easily have gone 1-2 rather than 2-1 against a 205lb holyfield had parachute man not saved him from the beatdown evander was putting on him, he was out on his feet against hide too...

In his prime he was an Elite-Level talented fighter but also a mental midget, no one denies it. Past prime he improved mentally but his great jab was gone with an accident and a serious chunk of his athleticism was just gone with time.

He still should be a champ in the division abandoned by Lewis and not yet taken over by Klits but he was shamefully robbed vs ruiz and the byrd fight was debateable too, Hardly anyone denies that too.

His fight with the 6'6" american corey sanders was just an absolute slugfest, he was impressive vs witherspoon (tim to this day swears golota hit him harder than any fighter ever!) and if he had committed more in the fight with michael grant he would have took him out early too, the bowe fights are 2 of my favourite HW clashes ever so for that he always has me as a fan but ultimately he fought on way past his best and just couldn't get it together!

Had his head always been in tact, he would surely be knocking on or just below the lewis/Klitschkos level, but it wasn't. That's all there is to it.

The fan-man fight is the one that Holyfield did win, Bowe rightfully picked up the first fight, lost the second fight (fan-man fight) , and then stopped Evander in the 3rd fight, in Holyfield's defense he was having heart issues at that time, as for the question at hand I agree with the assessment that Golota had all the attributes to be a top HW, he has skill, size, power, he could physically take a beating when he was in the mindset (watch the shots he took against Tyson before he finally quit), he just didn't have the heart, will, or drive to strive and be the best, he became frustrated too easily and would either quit or find a way out, be it by DQ or just getting clocked

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Some ppl put it down to the maskaev v rahmam syndrome! Personally i think golota was more than that. I dont think it was a case of maskaev or golota just having there number, i think it was a case of 2 fighters being underrated and 2 fighters being overrated. Rahman just wasn't that good (on a consistant basis) and bowe just wasn't destined to be a long reigning champ, he turned into a fat blob. He also got an outright gift decision vs tony tubbs, he could quite easily have gone 1-2 rather than 2-1 against a 205lb holyfield had parachute man not saved him from the beatdown evander was putting on him, he was out on his feet against hide too...

In his prime he was an Elite-Level talented fighter but also a mental midget, no one denies it. Past prime he improved mentally but his great jab was gone with an accident and a serious chunk of his athleticism was just gone with time.

He still should be a champ in the division abandoned by Lewis and not yet taken over by Klits but he was shamefully robbed vs ruiz and the byrd fight was debateable too, Hardly anyone denies that too.

His fight with the 6'6" american corey sanders was just an absolute slugfest, he was impressive vs witherspoon (tim to this day swears golota hit him harder than any fighter ever!) and if he had committed more in the fight with michael grant he would have took him out early too, the bowe fights are 2 of my favourite HW clashes ever so for that he always has me as a fan but ultimately he fought on way past his best and just couldn't get it together!

Had his head always been in tact, he would surely be knocking on or just below the lewis/Klitschkos level, but it wasn't. That's all there is to it.

The fan-man fight is the one that Holyfield did win, Bowe rightfully picked up the first fight, lost the second fight (fan-man fight) , and then stopped Evander in the 3rd fight, in Holyfield's defense he was having heart issues at that time, as for the question at hand I agree with the assessment that Golota had all the attributes to be a top HW, he has skill, size, power, he could physically take a beating when he was in the mindset (watch the shots he took against Tyson before he finally quit), he just didn't have the heart, will, or drive to strive and be the best, he became frustrated too easily and would either quit or find a way out, be it by DQ or just getting clocked

My bad, i haven't watched the 5 fights in question for years so forgive me if my memory deserts me, I'm to heavily involved in the current scene, maybe il go back and watch them all when i have a few hours to spare because i know they're worth a watch again.

Bowes career if i remember correctly was bizarre full stop! His fight with tillary was hilarious, he ventured into the marines for 11 days, threw his belt in a bin, kidnapped his wife & children, battered his sister, came back to boxing looking like a whale and struggled with journeymen. Gave us 3 classics with evander and got beat down by golota!

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

but the guy had no heart.

Try watching the sanders fight.

Bowe by that time also had brain damage. It's not even up for interpretation it’s just bloody obvious.

Bullshit. Arguably the best american HW of the 90's got his arse handed to him that's why you hear all these crappy excuses about bowe being shot at 28 lol. He had just beaten evander for a 2nd time and stopped hide and gonzalez ffs but he was brain damaged! Please....

[Bobthepen]

but the guy had no heart.

Try watching the sanders fight.

Bowe by that time also had brain damage. It's not even up for interpretation it’s just bloody obvious.

Bullshit. Arguably the best american HW of the 90's got his arse handed to him that's why you hear all these crappy excuses about bowe being shot at 28 lol. He had just beaten evander for a 2nd time and stopped hide and gonzalez ffs but he was brain damaged! Please....

You're right, Bowe had to be in the shape of his life to beat heavyweight legends Herbie Hide and Gonzalez.
He only beat Holyfield because Holyfield had hepatitis and gassed trying to finish Bowe after knocking him on his fat ass.
Just looking at the physique of Bowe in his nearly days to then says it all.

[johnsebastianmiran]

Andrew the Nutcracker Golata had some jab and more than adequate right hand. He shouldn't have been allowed to watch any movie where nuts were mentioned. Bowe is one of those guys who doesn't get caught doing the dastardly deeds that causes a loss of points. I don't know what it was with Golata but I saw John Ruiz in another light and he was getting dirtier as the fight went on. Golata could have been champion and he fooled everyone with his peed and his punches traveled quick because most of them were straight but the uppercuts and hooks had a mind of their won and I don't remember if Bowe ever had a deep voice after that fight. In the Ruiz fight Golata looked like the good guy. Ain't that a bitch for the four rounds I actually did see.

[chinchekked]

but the guy had no heart.

Try watching the sanders fight.

Bowe by that time also had brain damage. It's not even up for interpretation it’s just bloody obvious.

Bullshit. Arguably the best american HW of the 90's got his arse handed to him that's why you hear all these crappy excuses about bowe being shot at 28 lol. He had just beaten evander for a 2nd time and stopped hide and gonzalez ffs but he was brain damaged! Please....

yeah....umm, the doctors have said he was brain damaged so its not so much of an opinion. There was a youtube video that discussed this in great detail and they track his speech patterns and discuss his tests. Not making an excuse for the Golota beatings but he didnt pull that argument out of his ass as your "Please" suggests.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

yeah....umm, the doctors have said he was brain damaged so its not so much of an opinion. There was a youtube video that discussed this in great detail and they track his speech patterns and discuss his tests. Not making an excuse for the Golota beatings but he didnt pull that argument out of his ass as your "Please" suggests.

When did the doctors say he was brain damaged exactly? You do know boxers have to pass a medical don't you? If anyone had 'fragility' of the brain it was golota! Are you trying to tell us that bowe was a mongoloid, 50% of the fighter he was a year before? Did he suddenly suffer a stroke or something!!!! GTFO....bowe say's he avoided jail by saying he was brain damaged!

bowe say's avoided jail by saying brain damaged? lock him up - Stripers247.com Forums

Lawyer: Bowe brain-damaged when agreed to plead guilty | chronicle.augusta.com

He pleaded brain damage to avoid jail!

He then publicly denies he has brain damage lol:

Bowe Ready To Box, Denies Brain Damage - New York Daily News

Sounds to me like his fans are in denial about the fact that golota was the better boxer, Regardless of the low blows...just want to be clear, are you saying he was not the fighter who fought holyfield? lol......

[Mars_ax]

He certainly had a very short prime, but in those 2 fights he dominated one of the best HWs of the era. If he continued that form, how good could he have been?

Bowe's only "official" loss in his career was to Evander Holyfield, a razor close MD, in the 2nd of their 3 fights, Bowe had won the 1st fight and stopped Holyfield in the 3rd fight.

Golota "the foul Pole", had his moments in his career, and he always had a punchers chance in fights, no matter who he was in against. The sad part of Golota's 2 fights with Bowe, was rather then getting disqualified for low blows, he could have actually won both fights if he'd kept his punches up.

[ICB]

Riddick Bowe was strange for his height and size, he should of been a great boxer on the outside but he wasn't. He was a great inside fighter but only an average fighter on the outside, which showed when he got a gift decision vs a past his best Tony Tubbs, and also struggled vs Tyrell Biggs, both who fought him on the outside.

Even though Riddick Bowe was past his prime, i think Andrew Golota would of always have troubled him. Because Andrew Golota was a good outside fighter with a very good jab he murdered Riddick Bowe with the jab.

As for the question i think Andrew Golota skillfully was a very good fighter, when he fought Riddick Bowe. Good speed, good skills, good jab, good combinations, decent power. But i wouldn't favour him vs any of the great Heavyweight's because he's just too weak mentally and remember skills is only 50 percent of being a pro boxer you got to have the mental game and Andrew Golota never did.

[therealremi]

Golota - Bowe III, 3 November 2012, Poland, wrestling rules

[TigerFan]

Golota - Bowe III, 3 November 2012, Poland, wrestling rules

Is this still on? I remember making a thread on this a while back.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...olota-3-a.html

Edit: I just read on a Polish site that they will compete in a steel cage match. I gotta see this