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    Default So here is the real deal with Trump's actions and decisions

    Ok so Trump insists that he's going to build a wall between the U.S. and Mexico.

    Everybody's having a heart attack over it, saying how it'll be the U.S. taxpayers who will end up footing the bill, how this further alienates relations between the U.S. and Mexico, etc. But in the end, it may end up being more of an "effect thing". In other words, the wall may or may not be built in the end. It may prove too costly, and in the end Trump is free to back off from that and do something more practical and less costly.

    But the message has already been sent. Trump said he was going to address the border issue, and he's doing it. In the past, too much lip service was done by too many politicians, and the end result was the same. Nothing was ever done, and the U.S.-Mexico border continues to be a very loosely guarded one. Illegal immigrants, not only from Mexico but from other South American countries, flow freely into the U.S. and create all sorts of societal problems. So in the end, if not an expensive concrete wall, then maybe some very enhanced technologies to make the border more secure. Or stricter laws to deport illegal immigrants immediately, or enforcing existing laws more strongly.

    Ok so Trump insists on imposing a high tariff on goods manufactured in Mexico from companies that have moved from the U.S., only to sell the products back across the border. Trump also has said he's either going to eliminate NAFTA, or take a long hard look at it, with the purpose of making it more to the U.S.'s benefit.

    Again, critics are citing all sorts of economic theories as reasons why none of this will work. And maybe they're right to a point. But the point is Trump had promised this as part of his campaign, and I'll be damned if he hasn't already begun trying to comply with his promise. Again, in the end, it may be more of an "effect tool". Maybe he'll have to revisit some of those thoughts and come up with something that really works to keep the jobs in the U.S. and have more favorable trade agreements. But the point again is that the man is doing something, not sitting on his thumbs like scores of previous politicians in the past who, once elections are over, develop amnesia and fade into Presidential obscurity, protocol, State dinners, etc. Takes six months before anything gets rolling. And then you need everybody and their mother's permission. He has sent the message. "I won't have these unfair trade agreements and I'm going to do something about it." Kudos.

    Ok so Trump talked about how waterboarding works.

    Critics jumped all over that one, screaming bloody murder that Trump wants to make torture legal. In actuality, Trump has said he'll defer to his more knowledgeable staff on this one... and they've already reassured everyone that torture remains illegal and it'll stay that way. Yet.... once again a message has been sent. Trump will not be one to pussy-foot around known terrorists, worrying about crossing every "t" and dotting every "i" when dealing with known terror cells. Message well sent, and hopefully well received by the "would be's".


    Like this there's many others.

    I'm not a total Trump fan, nor do I agree with every decision he's made. His insistence on a major investigation into voter fraud infuriates me, considering he's the one sitting in the Oval Office and not Hillary. His Tweeting hopefully will get reigned in a little bit over time. Hopefully he'll yes..... pursue a friendly relationship with Russia..... but not one based on naiveness over Putin. I think some of these things, like Tweeting insults to Meryl Streep, will tone down after Trump's agenda gets too full for that nonsense.

    And like I've said before, I'm cheering for him to be successful. Remember the example of rooting against the pilot of the plane you're on.
    It's not a wise thing to do.

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    Default Re: So here is the real deal with Trump's actions and decisions

    The problem is we need more than a wall. You can build a 30 foot wall and they'll get a 30 foot ladder. If it's not guarded, they'll get over.

    We need to make more personnel and we need to make it harder for illegals to stay here once they cross the border. Impose huge fines on those hiring illegals, provide financial incentives for turning in illegals, etc.

    But I love the direction Trump is going in. So many politicians make promises and never even try to keep them. Thus far, Donald is showing he is a man of action and I REALLY hope he continues on course.

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    The only one alarmed over this is the dirt bag lying liberal biased media. The rest of us are delighted with it. Only the fools who don't think they can be murdered by terrorist are showing concern. Immigration is not a right. I do not want to import terror poverty and crime. Which is exactly what dirty corrupt Hillary wanted and certainly Obama forced it on us as well. The whining left will desperate try to turn us against President Trump but he is too good a leader to lose this battle. The dirt bag lying liberal media will give up soon. Here’s some real news for the fake news purveyors over at the New York Times: the US isn’t responsible for anxiety about Muslim refugees. Who is actually responsible? People such as Somali Muslim migrant Mohammad Barry, who in February 2016 stabbed multiple patrons at a restaurant owned by an Arab Christian; Ahmad Khan Rahami, an Afghan Muslim migrant who in September 2016 set off bombs in New York City and New Jersey; Arcan Cetin, a Turkish Muslim migrant who in September 2016 murdered five people in a mall in Burlington, Washington; Dahir Adan, another Somali Muslim migrant who in October 2016 stabbed mall shoppers in St. Cloud while screaming “Allahu akbar”; and Abdul Razak Artan, yet another Somali Muslim migrant who in November 2016 injured nine people with car and knife attacks at Ohio State University. What’s more, all of the Islamists who murdered 130 people in Paris in November 2015 had just entered Europe as refugees. In February 2015, the Islamic State boasted it would soon flood Europe with as many as 500,000 Muslim refugees. The Lebanese Education Minister said in September 2015 that there were 20,000 jihadis among the refugees in camps in his country. Meanwhile, 80% of migrants who have come to Europe claiming to be fleeing the war in Syria aren’t really from Syria at all. So why are they claiming to be Syrian and streaming into Europe, and now the U.S. as well? An Islamic State operative gave the answer when he boasted in September 2015, shortly after the migrant influx began, that among the flood of refugees, 4,000 Islamic State jihadis had already entered Europe. He explained their purpose: “It’s our dream that there should be a caliphate not only in Syria but in all the world, and we will have it soon, inshallah.” These Muslims were going to Europe in the service of that caliphate: “They are going like refugees,” he said, but they were going with the plan of sowing blood and mayhem on European Crusader streets. As he told this to journalists, he smiled and said, “Just wait.” On May 10, 2016, Patrick Calvar, the head of France’s DGSI internal intelligence agency, said that the Islamic State was using migrant routes through the Balkans to get jihadis into Europe. But as far as the fake news purveyor known as New York Times is concerned, it’s all just fearmongering by the far-right media.

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    Default Re: So here is the real deal with Trump's actions and decisions

    and so it begins


    Brock you are a one man fake news outlet. The only propaganda here on Saddos is that posted by you in which you make EVERYTHING about race, Immigration or refugees. You have serious issues just like that ginger nut in the White House.
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    I think trump is wonderful

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    Aye! Forsooth! Here here!

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    Default Re: So here is the real deal with Trump's actions and decisions

    Quote Originally Posted by vidgil View Post
    The problem is we need more than a wall. You can build a 30 foot wall and they'll get a 30 foot ladder. If it's not guarded, they'll get over.

    We need to make more personnel and we need to make it harder for illegals to stay here once they cross the border. Impose huge fines on those hiring illegals, provide financial incentives for turning in illegals, etc.

    But I love the direction Trump is going in. So many politicians make promises and never even try to keep them. Thus far, Donald is showing he is a man of action and I REALLY hope he continues on course.
    Well, it's not because you do what you said you would that it's a great thing, especially when the promises are illegal, go against sex equality or are straight down discriminatory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nameless View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by vidgil View Post
    The problem is we need more than a wall. You can build a 30 foot wall and they'll get a 30 foot ladder. If it's not guarded, they'll get over.

    We need to make more personnel and we need to make it harder for illegals to stay here once they cross the border. Impose huge fines on those hiring illegals, provide financial incentives for turning in illegals, etc.

    But I love the direction Trump is going in. So many politicians make promises and never even try to keep them. Thus far, Donald is showing he is a man of action and I REALLY hope he continues on course.
    Well, it's not because you do what you said you would that it's a great thing, especially when the promises are illegal, go against sex equality or are straight down discriminatory.
    Sex equality? I thought to even define sex is discrimination. It up to the individual not society to determine sex anything else is like a sick artificial label

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nameless View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by vidgil View Post
    The problem is we need more than a wall. You can build a 30 foot wall and they'll get a 30 foot ladder. If it's not guarded, they'll get over.

    We need to make more personnel and we need to make it harder for illegals to stay here once they cross the border. Impose huge fines on those hiring illegals, provide financial incentives for turning in illegals, etc.

    But I love the direction Trump is going in. So many politicians make promises and never even try to keep them. Thus far, Donald is showing he is a man of action and I REALLY hope he continues on course.
    Well, it's not because you do what you said you would that it's a great thing, especially when the promises are illegal, go against sex equality or are straight down discriminatory.
    Trump is fully behind the gays, he was doing interviews in the Advocate 20 years ago talking about how he supported gay rights and marriage. Meanwhile up until a few years ago Obama and Hillary were both steadfast against gay marriage.

    Big changes are tough for all involved and the transition period can be intense but ultimately I think our nation is taking great steps.

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    Default Re: So here is the real deal with Trump's actions and decisions

    On Iran:


    Trump is being very "blustery" in his rhetoric aimed at Iran. News analysts say he's "boxing himself in", meaning he's not leaving much room for responses after that. It's not a bad point to make. Trump's just coming into the Presidency. Couldn't he be better served to warn Iran on a less ratcheted tone... and save the outright threats for when there's no other recourse? Also... isn't it true that Trump would totally benefit from the total support of European allies against Iran? Let's be real. Iran poses substantially more of a threat to Europe than it does the U.S. So having Trump "leapfrog" European countries and threatening Iran is a bit misplaced. Gather the support... and then club Iran over the head.

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    We've whipped Iran's ass before and we can do it again if they feel froggy and want to jump


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    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    On Iran:


    Trump is being very "blustery" in his rhetoric aimed at Iran. News analysts say he's "boxing himself in", meaning he's not leaving much room for responses after that. It's not a bad point to make. Trump's just coming into the Presidency. Couldn't he be better served to warn Iran on a less ratcheted tone... and save the outright threats for when there's no other recourse? Also... isn't it true that Trump would totally benefit from the total support of European allies against Iran? Let's be real. Iran poses substantially more of a threat to Europe than it does the U.S. So having Trump "leapfrog" European countries and threatening Iran is a bit misplaced. Gather the support... and then club Iran over the head.
    If "mistakenly" releasing 10 yr old propaganda footage and claim it as intelligence gained from your first military strike in Yemen is an indicator, Trump is well on his way to making Bush and Obama look like truth telling pacifist. Someone needs to take his phone and shove it where the sun doesn't shine ffs. Trump has no idea what he is doing by babbling on and talking empty shat. This isn't a western or make believe and the Republican congress is already and will continue..to a point..to clean up his missteps and gradually turn outward. And eventually war within itself in disagreement and stagnate. Mattis and the adults in the room will step up behind the scenes and pull him into the woodshed..or walk..if he keeps escalating a military showdown. Militarily it's not about Iran, it's boarders, it's about the thousands of splinters it will unleash and activate. Then again I'm growing less convinced that it's not exactly what he and that Rudolph nosed boulder headed Bannon want.

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    Well you got what you voted for I was thinking you had a old Tiger with no teeth.
    Trump has the cat among the pigions.
    I stand back and watch with interest on what comes next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dia bando View Post
    Well you got what you voted for I was thinking you had a old Tiger with no teeth.
    Trump has the cat among the pigions.
    I stand back and watch with interest on what comes next.
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