Haye

[Gandalf]

Haye doesn't deserve another shot, but it would be justice to see him knocked out. Wlad is the weaker of the two brothers by a considerable margin. Vitali would stomp on his younger brother and slaughter Haye.

why would it be justice?

In boxing a fraud needs to be knocked out. That is the justice.

It happens to all but a few in good time.

[erics44]

I wish market forces weren't driving the fight game into the ridiculous scenario where Haye gets to fight both champions, coming into the HW division from cruiser and bypassing the more deserving top ten contenders, especially since he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell against Vitali. Ridiculous.

I would like to see Haye have to fight his way up through the division. Especially I would like to see Haye fight Hellenius, Arreola, Dimetrenko, Povotkin. Boytsov, Chagaev. Anyone in the top ten. For Vitali to fight Haye after his unexciting performances against Vlad, Ruiz and Valuev is just not good for boxing. It's only good for short-term profit. In this day and age no-one thinks about the long term. Us boxing fans should wise up and pull an all-out sit-down stay-away strike against this Haye vs. Vitali fight.

I also think he'd get his ass whipped a few times if he had to fight his way up. There's good talent in the heavyweight division now.

who do you think would beat him?

I'm not even sure who would beat him. Hellenius could, that's for sure. Arreola could. I think Adamek could (unless he is now brain damaged). Povetkin. Any of those top ten have a chance, and we'd get some real fights because Haye would come out of the closet and try to win, like he used to at cruiserweight, not just duck and dodge to survive and get paid. I'd love to see those fights. Instead, we are going to get Haye-Vitali. Snore.

ademek and areloa could but 99 times out of 100 wouldnt

provetkin could, but whats the point he has no power and has no chance against a klit

helenius looks good at the minute, is he ready?

[erics44]

Haye doesn't deserve another shot, but it would be justice to see him knocked out. Wlad is the weaker of the two brothers by a considerable margin. Vitali would stomp on his younger brother and slaughter Haye.

why would it be justice?

In boxing a fraud needs to be knocked out. That is the justice.

It happens to all but a few in good time.

as i said in an earlier post, boxers constantly boast about what they will do in the ring and come up short

if Ortiz loses to mayweather on saturday is he a fraud?

[rjj tszyu]

haye doesnt deserve a title shot straight away but like it or not Haye is still the most dangerous opponent for the Klits at the minute

he has little chance of winning but more than anyone else

NO he is not. Robert Helenius is!!!! At least the finnish giant tries!
How can someone be dangerous when they are running the whole time, and not throwing any punches? Solis deserves another shot too. He was landing quite a bit till he hurt his knee/leg.

Helenius would get battered off Haye. That I would guarantee.

I think People are getting too high on this guy beating way past their best bums. Yes he looked good beating a very worn Liakovich, but this is a guy who in his prime got beat off fucking Maurice Harris. Also it took Helenius 6 rounds to get rid of Scott Gammer FFS. Yes the same Scott Gammer who got beat off the amazing Coleman Barrett who Audley Harrison then sparked out the same night.

I know Haye hasn't got a who's who of Heavyweight boxing on his record, but for me he is way too too elusive for Helenius and "the Nordic Nightmare" takes too many shots for a big puncher like Haye not to take advantage. The Klitschko's are clearly the best in the division and they are on their own, then it is Haye and he is in the second bracket on his own IMO. I think Povetkin is next in line but against either Klitschko, I'm not sure he carries the power to worry them whereas Helenius does but he seems far too predictable and as I said easy to hit.

[Gandalf]

Haye doesn't deserve another shot, but it would be justice to see him knocked out. Wlad is the weaker of the two brothers by a considerable margin. Vitali would stomp on his younger brother and slaughter Haye.

why would it be justice?

In boxing a fraud needs to be knocked out. That is the justice.

It happens to all but a few in good time.

as i said in an earlier post, boxers constantly boast about what they will do in the ring and come up short

if Ortiz loses to mayweather on saturday is he a fraud?

Ortiz has never reached the level of arrogance and subsequent cowardice that Haye has. Ortiz is a lion, Haye is merely a running, gurning hyena. At least in quitting Ortiz showed some level of heart, Haye showed NONE against Wlad. A disgusting showing and one that deserves the wrath of all boxing fans and the ultimate beat down at the hands of Vitali.

Time to stick a nail in the coffin of the modern day fraud that is David Haye.

[Dave Hughey]

I wish market forces weren't driving the fight game into the ridiculous scenario where Haye gets to fight both champions, coming into the HW division from cruiser and bypassing the more deserving top ten contenders, especially since he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell against Vitali. Ridiculous.

I would like to see Haye have to fight his way up through the division. Especially I would like to see Haye fight Hellenius, Arreola, Dimetrenko, Povotkin. Boytsov, Chagaev. Anyone in the top ten. For Vitali to fight Haye after his unexciting performances against Vlad, Ruiz and Valuev is just not good for boxing. It's only good for short-term profit. In this day and age no-one thinks about the long term. Us boxing fans should wise up and pull an all-out sit-down stay-away strike against this Haye vs. Vitali fight.

I also think he'd get his ass whipped a few times if he had to fight his way up. There's good talent in the heavyweight division now.

who do you think would beat him?

I'm not even sure who would beat him. Hellenius could, that's for sure. Arreola could. I think Adamek could (unless he is now brain damaged). Povetkin. Any of those top ten have a chance, and we'd get some real fights because Haye would come out of the closet and try to win, like he used to at cruiserweight, not just duck and dodge to survive and get paid. I'd love to see those fights. Instead, we are going to get Haye-Vitali. Snore.

ademek and areloa could but 99 times out of 100 wouldnt

provetkin could, but whats the point he has no power and has no chance against a klit

helenius looks good at the minute, is he ready?

99 out of 100 times? You think Haye is that good, do you? I don't. I think he is just another one of the top contenders. I think on any given day any of the ten top contenders would have a 50/50 chance at Haye. Yeah, I'd like to see Haye and Helenius get it on.

[erics44]

Haye doesn't deserve another shot, but it would be justice to see him knocked out. Wlad is the weaker of the two brothers by a considerable margin. Vitali would stomp on his younger brother and slaughter Haye.

why would it be justice?

In boxing a fraud needs to be knocked out. That is the justice.

It happens to all but a few in good time.

as i said in an earlier post, boxers constantly boast about what they will do in the ring and come up short

if Ortiz loses to mayweather on saturday is he a fraud?

Ortiz has never reached the level of arrogance and subsequent cowardice that Haye has. Ortiz is a lion, Haye is merely a running, gurning hyena. At least in quitting Ortiz showed some level of heart, Haye showed NONE against Wlad. A disgusting showing and one that deserves the wrath of all boxing fans and the ultimate beat down at the hands of Vitali.

Time to stick a nail in the coffin of the modern day fraud that is David Haye.

he hasnt reached the level of arrogance to you, and in your opinion hayes performance was cowardice

so whats the cut off point, when does someone become and fraud and stay genuine? A lot of people were calling Ortiz a quitter after his fights against Maidana and Peterson, if Ortiz puts on that sort of display against mayweather is he a fraud?

after all in every interview I have heard so far he has claimed he would win and keep his belt

[erics44]

I wish market forces weren't driving the fight game into the ridiculous scenario where Haye gets to fight both champions, coming into the HW division from cruiser and bypassing the more deserving top ten contenders, especially since he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell against Vitali. Ridiculous.

I would like to see Haye have to fight his way up through the division. Especially I would like to see Haye fight Hellenius, Arreola, Dimetrenko, Povotkin. Boytsov, Chagaev. Anyone in the top ten. For Vitali to fight Haye after his unexciting performances against Vlad, Ruiz and Valuev is just not good for boxing. It's only good for short-term profit. In this day and age no-one thinks about the long term. Us boxing fans should wise up and pull an all-out sit-down stay-away strike against this Haye vs. Vitali fight.

I also think he'd get his ass whipped a few times if he had to fight his way up. There's good talent in the heavyweight division now.

who do you think would beat him?

I'm not even sure who would beat him. Hellenius could, that's for sure. Arreola could. I think Adamek could (unless he is now brain damaged). Povetkin. Any of those top ten have a chance, and we'd get some real fights because Haye would come out of the closet and try to win, like he used to at cruiserweight, not just duck and dodge to survive and get paid. I'd love to see those fights. Instead, we are going to get Haye-Vitali. Snore.

ademek and areloa could but 99 times out of 100 wouldnt

provetkin could, but whats the point he has no power and has no chance against a klit

helenius looks good at the minute, is he ready?

99 out of 100 times? You think Haye is that good, do you? I don't. I think he is just another one of the top contenders. I think on any given day any of the ten top contenders would have a 50/50 chance at Haye. Yeah, I'd like to see Haye and Helenius get it on.

yep 99 times out of 100, and its not all about haye being that good its about the limitations of adamek and areola

hayes a cunt, im not denying that but you cant let that get in the way of your judgement when it comes to his skills

[Dave Hughey]

I wish market forces weren't driving the fight game into the ridiculous scenario where Haye gets to fight both champions, coming into the HW division from cruiser and bypassing the more deserving top ten contenders, especially since he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell against Vitali. Ridiculous.

I would like to see Haye have to fight his way up through the division. Especially I would like to see Haye fight Hellenius, Arreola, Dimetrenko, Povotkin. Boytsov, Chagaev. Anyone in the top ten. For Vitali to fight Haye after his unexciting performances against Vlad, Ruiz and Valuev is just not good for boxing. It's only good for short-term profit. In this day and age no-one thinks about the long term. Us boxing fans should wise up and pull an all-out sit-down stay-away strike against this Haye vs. Vitali fight.

I also think he'd get his ass whipped a few times if he had to fight his way up. There's good talent in the heavyweight division now.

who do you think would beat him?

I'm not even sure who would beat him. Hellenius could, that's for sure. Arreola could. I think Adamek could (unless he is now brain damaged). Povetkin. Any of those top ten have a chance, and we'd get some real fights because Haye would come out of the closet and try to win, like he used to at cruiserweight, not just duck and dodge to survive and get paid. I'd love to see those fights. Instead, we are going to get Haye-Vitali. Snore.

ademek and areloa could but 99 times out of 100 wouldnt

provetkin could, but whats the point he has no power and has no chance against a klit

helenius looks good at the minute, is he ready?

99 out of 100 times? You think Haye is that good, do you? I don't. I think he is just another one of the top contenders. I think on any given day any of the ten top contenders would have a 50/50 chance at Haye. Yeah, I'd like to see Haye and Helenius get it on.

yep 99 times out of 100, and its not all about haye being that good its about the limitations of adamek and areola

hayes a cunt, im not denying that but you cant let that get in the way of your judgement when it comes to his skills

I don't think Haye's a cunt. I like the guy. He's smart. He's onto a good thing and I don't blame him for exploiting it. He's got good defensive skills and he's counting on being able to dodge Vitali like he did Wlad and coming out of the fight rich and with his brain intact. But as a fight fan, I am disappointed with the whole scenario. I'd like to see him try and fight his way up through the division and truly earn a title shot.

[Matias64]

haye doesnt deserve a title shot straight away but like it or not Haye is still the most dangerous opponent for the Klits at the minute

he has little chance of winning but more than anyone else

NO he is not. Robert Helenius is!!!! At least the finnish giant tries!
How can someone be dangerous when they are running the whole time, and not throwing any punches? Solis deserves another shot too. He was landing quite a bit till he hurt his knee/leg.

Helenius would get battered off Haye. That I would guarantee.

Helenius has been underrated so far even by the finns. But if we take a look at all his fights we surely understand he's becoming better and better all the time. He ain't slow considering his seize (6' 7" and 240 lbs). He has technic, ain't stupid, got self-discipline, hard punches with good combinations too. Even when he was beating Samuel Peter, Lamon Brewster and Siarlei Liakhovic brutally and effectively we didn't see the whole scale of Robert Heleinius. The most important thing - he will be near in future much better.

As i've mentioned before, Helenius was little bit too lazy using his left jab during that Liakhovic-fight. He addmitted it too. On the other hand his footwork, moving was much, much better than in e.g Scott Gammer-fight. Forget that Gammer-night. Even when Helenius destroyed him, that british fellow was just a bum in the ring. Liakhovic has been so far the biggest test for Helenius. He passed it well, though might have done some things much better. I find no reason why Helenius couldn't maul big mouth twat Haye too. However i prefer Helenius not wasting time to punish clowns like Haye. He and his team are planning to have 1-2 good test fights before facing mighty Klitschko.

In this moment i see Helenius hardly even 10% chance to beat Klitschko but if his development is steady he might have - let's say 30% chance to win the tittle (against Klitschko brothers). That's the upper level he will ever reach.

These guys are in ranking list above Helenius now: Povetkin, Adamek, Haye and Chambers. Haye was a clown and Adamek beaten very badly. So let's give Povetkin a chance to try it, then Chambers. When they have lost and Helenius (hopely) have won his test fights (1-2) it's his turn. It will be in late 2012 or early 2013.