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haye doesnt deserve a title shot straight away but like it or not Haye is still the most dangerous opponent for the Klits at the minute

he has little chance of winning but more than anyone else

NO he is not. Robert Helenius is!!!! At least the finnish giant tries!
How can someone be dangerous when they are running the whole time, and not throwing any punches? Solis deserves another shot too. He was landing quite a bit till he hurt his knee/leg.

Helenius would get battered off Haye. That I would guarantee.

I think People are getting too high on this guy beating way past their best bums. Yes he looked good beating a very worn Liakovich, but this is a guy who in his prime got beat off fucking Maurice Harris. Also it took Helenius 6 rounds to get rid of Scott Gammer FFS. Yes the same Scott Gammer who got beat off the amazing Coleman Barrett who Audley Harrison then sparked out the same night.

I know Haye hasn't got a who's who of Heavyweight boxing on his record, but for me he is way too too elusive for Helenius and "the Nordic Nightmare" takes too many shots for a big puncher like Haye not to take advantage. The Klitschko's are clearly the best in the division and they are on their own, then it is Haye and he is in the second bracket on his own IMO. I think Povetkin is next in line but against either Klitschko, I'm not sure he carries the power to worry them whereas Helenius does but he seems far too predictable and as I said easy to hit.

[Matias64]

haye doesnt deserve a title shot straight away but like it or not Haye is still the most dangerous opponent for the Klits at the minute

he has little chance of winning but more than anyone else

NO he is not. Robert Helenius is!!!! At least the finnish giant tries!
How can someone be dangerous when they are running the whole time, and not throwing any punches? Solis deserves another shot too. He was landing quite a bit till he hurt his knee/leg.

Helenius would get battered off Haye. That I would guarantee.

Helenius has been underrated so far even by the finns. But if we take a look at all his fights we surely understand he's becoming better and better all the time. He ain't slow considering his seize (6' 7" and 240 lbs). He has technic, ain't stupid, got self-discipline, hard punches with good combinations too. Even when he was beating Samuel Peter, Lamon Brewster and Siarlei Liakhovic brutally and effectively we didn't see the whole scale of Robert Heleinius. The most important thing - he will be near in future much better.

As i've mentioned before, Helenius was little bit too lazy using his left jab during that Liakhovic-fight. He addmitted it too. On the other hand his footwork, moving was much, much better than in e.g Scott Gammer-fight. Forget that Gammer-night. Even when Helenius destroyed him, that british fellow was just a bum in the ring. Liakhovic has been so far the biggest test for Helenius. He passed it well, though might have done some things much better. I find no reason why Helenius couldn't maul big mouth twat Haye too. However i prefer Helenius not wasting time to punish clowns like Haye. He and his team are planning to have 1-2 good test fights before facing mighty Klitschko.

In this moment i see Helenius hardly even 10% chance to beat Klitschko but if his development is steady he might have - let's say 30% chance to win the tittle (against Klitschko brothers). That's the upper level he will ever reach.

These guys are in ranking list above Helenius now: Povetkin, Adamek, Haye and Chambers. Haye was a clown and Adamek beaten very badly. So let's give Povetkin a chance to try it, then Chambers. When they have lost and Helenius (hopely) have won his test fights (1-2) it's his turn. It will be in late 2012 or early 2013.