Benghazi...oh you knew it was coming

[El Kabong]

Planes destroyed the very fabric on 911 under a President that had no clue. Innocent men, women and children are slaughtered in illegal wars and the world pays no attention but lets stop the earths rotation when a few Americans or Canadians get killed. According to some in American culture saying that alone makes me a card waiving communist. I think its naive to blame a President when something happens a world away.Its foreign policy not a specific President.

#1 "Illegal wars"...I take it you're referring to Iraq and I guess Afghanistan though Afghanistan was pretty much given the "thumbs up" from everyone. The HISTORIC deal is this whether people like it or not: FDR "illegally" got the United States involved in the European Theatre of World War II vie the Lend-Lease Act, John F. Kennedy got the United States "illegally" involved in Vietnam via the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, and so on and so forth so acting all butt hurt about Iraq where an invasion WAS GOING TO HAPPEN NO MATTER WHO WON THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION is kind of a moot point.

#2 Much like Pearl Harbor people in the intelligence community knew AN attack could happen, but not what kind of attack, and not specific details.
-#2 B, For 9/11 planes striking buildings were the extent of the attacks, there was no follow up ergo it became a rescue/clean up operation immediately after the attacks

#3 The Benghazi attacks were long and drawn out, the United States had significant information and resources in the area to prepare for & limit the damage of those attacks and instead of allowing the military to do their job somebody, somewhere in the Administration said "No, stand down"

#4 The last time a United States Ambassador was killed in the line of duty was Adolph Dubs, February 19, 1979 in Kabul, Afghanistan during a kidnapping attempt done by the Maoist Settam-e-Melli in which they wished to have the leader of their party freed. So Ambassadors being murdered isn't something that usually "just happens", in the case of Adolph Dubs, the US was attempting to free Amb. Dubs safely via diplomacy and before those talks went anywhere the Soviet aligned Afghanis attacked and Dubs was killed in the gun battle.

#5 "The Buck Stops Here", the famous slogan used by Harry S. Truman and every President thereafter....someone is responsible for the gross negligence that occurred in Benghazi and whoever that person or those persons are should pay for their negligence.....is it wrong to expect a President who PROMISED transparency actually provide it? Is it wrong to hold a President who is Commander-in-Chief accountable for inaction during a terrorist attack? Is it wrong to want clarification on why talking points were changed surrounding this event?

If this event happened under George W. Bush everyone else would be irate....you're all hypocrites...all of you.

[Gandalf]

Hark at Lyle, ranting about the death of 4 people, but ignoring the hundreds of thousands dead because of what his country has carried out in the last generation or so. 'Oh, but they weren't sacred American blood, so what do we care'. It's actually quite funny seeing Lyle, implode with these recent threads and posts. I can't stand Obama either, but Lyle fails to notice the things that are far more significant. He will only pick up on the things his lunatic media tells him to pick up on.

I also find VC quite hilarious with his pompous spiel about there being no such thing as an illegal or legal war. So American. Of course it cannot be illegal if it is us doing it! Just as the lunatic Israeli's believe settlement building is nothing more than putting up trees in the park, it is America's god given right to inflict manifest destiny upon any nation should the whim to do so set in. 'Legality, no such thing'. Invade who you want when you want and see how that plays out if you are not of the annointed nations.

I resent the comparison to Lyle made by Missy too. He is off the hinges when it comes to politics. At least my politics focuses on real issues. With Lyle it is conspiracy theories and extremist dalliancing. Lyle cares about nothing except Obama and caring for four people is just a cover. It is clearly just a feeble attempt to attack Obama.

Such outrage about 4 dead overseas, but Lyle couldn't give a hoot about American people. Where is his outrage when American people are getting shot dead everyday? There is none because that doesn't fit the agenda. He would happily harp on about 4 people and ignore 30,000 shot every year.

[El Kabong]

miles in all seriousness go fuck yourself....I'm tired of your bullshit, I've been tired of it for quite a while. You are a coward and you're not half as smart as you think you are...you teach English, big whoopty fuck....you're a nobody, a nothing, a worthless blob of DNA that can type out complaints on a boxing website. Nobody cares about your class size, nobody cares about your cutting yourself, nobody cares about your hatred of America....nobody. You are but white noise, a minor ignorant disturbance of vile self loathing and hate. Go back to your own topics of "hot drinks" and whatever other nonsense you post about and leave the politics to people who have an understanding of what happened.

I cheers to the day they find you face down in the gutter where you belong and I mean every single syllable of that

[Gandalf]

I am sure you do, but once again you bring out stuff on public boards that we somewhat agree to keep hidden. That is a breach of conduct here and no matter how much we don't get along we have to keep to those basic rules.

I raised some points which have been ignored as you cannot answer without looking like a hypocrite I and simply said that I loathe to be compared with you; even as an opposite, because I have nothing in common with you.

The truth is that you have no idea about politics. You are just a silly little boy hyperventilating on what your right wing media is telling you to suffocate over and it is pathetic. Instead when someone comes out and says it to your face that you are full of shit, you get all gay and bring up hidden board stuff. I have a degree in the subject, do you? Get out of here with me not being able to talk about the subject. I am one of the most qualified here and much more than you.

That is the problem with you, Lyle. It is all posture and when someone like me comes along and will simply tell it straight, you get all bum hurt and talk a load of stuff that is not connected. You are really low. I'm glad more people are starting to call you out on your nonsense stances, but you don't bring up stuff that is hidden. Wish me dead all you want anywhere, but we don't talk about Fight Club. Prick.

[El Kabong]

I am sure you do, but once again you bring out stuff on public boards that we somewhat agree to keep hidden. That is a breach of conduct here and no matter how much we don't get along we have to keep to those basic rules.

I raised some points which have been ignored as you cannot answer without looking like a hypocrite I and simply said that I loathe to be compared with you; even as an opposite, because I have nothing in common with you.

The truth is that you have no idea about politics. You are just a silly little boy hyperventilating on what your right wing media is telling you to suffocate over and it is pathetic. Instead when someone comes out and says it to your face that you are full of shit, you get all gay and bring up hidden board stuff. I have a degree in the subject, do you? Get out of here with me not being able to talk about the subject. I am one of the most qualified here and much more than you.

That is the problem with you, Lyle. It is all posture and when someone like me comes along and will simply tell it straight, you get all bum hurt and talk a load of stuff that is not connected. You are really low. I'm glad more people are starting to call you out on your nonsense stances, but you don't bring up stuff that is hidden. Wish me dead all you want anywhere, but we don't talk about Fight Club. Prick.

If you don't like what I say then don't fucking read it, simple as that....simple....as.....that.

[Gandalf]

I am sure you do, but once again you bring out stuff on public boards that we somewhat agree to keep hidden. That is a breach of conduct here and no matter how much we don't get along we have to keep to those basic rules.

I raised some points which have been ignored as you cannot answer without looking like a hypocrite I and simply said that I loathe to be compared with you; even as an opposite, because I have nothing in common with you.

The truth is that you have no idea about politics. You are just a silly little boy hyperventilating on what your right wing media is telling you to suffocate over and it is pathetic. Instead when someone comes out and says it to your face that you are full of shit, you get all gay and bring up hidden board stuff. I have a degree in the subject, do you? Get out of here with me not being able to talk about the subject. I am one of the most qualified here and much more than you.

That is the problem with you, Lyle. It is all posture and when someone like me comes along and will simply tell it straight, you get all bum hurt and talk a load of stuff that is not connected. You are really low. I'm glad more people are starting to call you out on your nonsense stances, but you don't bring up stuff that is hidden. Wish me dead all you want anywhere, but we don't talk about Fight Club. Prick.

If you don't like what I say then don't fucking read it, simple as that....simple....as.....that.

I can read what I want and have no problems with it, but it is public and some of that information was revealed on non public forums. Instead, you got all evasive and the only way to respond was to be a bitch. That is why you should never talk politics, because you are base. You have nothing to argue. You don't care about American people, so stop with the fraudster approach. If this is the best you can do politically, then God help you. My political threads were better than this shit, and they were genuine.

Again, you avoided all the issues. I am qualified to talk about the subject, what is your basis beyond the latest discredited and mocked US rag? Or should I say women's rag daily, to appropriate your own rather vile language usage.

Again, it all boils down to me apparently thinking myself too clever and being a coward and that is something that seems to obsess you somewhat. I am smarter than you Lyle, but you just don't like it. I think some are smarter than me too and they know who they are, but certainly not you. And you are just sad with your one dimensional right wing noisy politics. There is no nuance at all. At least I had the decency to just opt out of forum politics when I realised I was annoying and people will only say it when they think they are free from you. I will just tell you that are a tit to your face. As for being a coward, are you serious? The coward is the man in an ordinary life who never resists. That isn't really me. It is you.

[El Kabong]

I can read what I want and have no problems with it, but it is public and some of that information was revealed on non public forums.

Oh so your feelings are hurt....a thousand pardons....maybe instead of bitching about it you can just ask a mod to move the thread you dumb cunt

[VictorCharlie]

I also find VC quite hilarious with his pompous spiel about there being no
such thing as an illegal or legal war. So American. Of course it cannot be illegal if it is us doing it! Just as the lunatic Israeli's believe settlement building is nothing more than putting up trees in the park, it is America's god given right to inflict manifest destiny upon any nation should the whim to do so set in. 'Legality, no such thing'. Invade who you want when you want and see how that plays out if you are not of the annointed nations.

There isn't anything pompous about my post. There is not a legal precedent for when war is allowed or not. I think you confuse international law on how war is conducted with a non-existant legal basis to go to war. This is true for all countries not just the US and I never said different if you had any ability at objectivity you'd have realized that. We've had this conversation before and you were never able to provide the international legal binding document that prescribed when military action is "legal" or the legal body that rules on such things and typically resorted to threatening me with bodily harm. The act of going to war is a lot of things but it is not a matter of legality.

[El Kabong]

I also find VC quite hilarious with his pompous spiel about there being no
such thing as an illegal or legal war. So American. Of course it cannot be illegal if it is us doing it! Just as the lunatic Israeli's believe settlement building is nothing more than putting up trees in the park, it is America's god given right to inflict manifest destiny upon any nation should the whim to do so set in. 'Legality, no such thing'. Invade who you want when you want and see how that plays out if you are not of the annointed nations.

There isn't anything pompous about my post. There is not a legal precedent for when war is allowed or not. I think you confuse international law on how war is conducted with a non-existant legal basis to go to war. This is true for all countries not just the US and I never said different if you had any ability at objectivity you'd have realized that. We've had this conversation before and you were never able to provide the international legal binding document that prescribed when military action is "legal" or the legal body that rules on such things but you couldn't provide any such things and typically resorted to threatening me with bodily harm. The act of going to war is a lot of things but it is not a matter of legality.

BOOM! The soldier just took your dumbass to school miles.....IN YOUR FACE!!!!!! Go back to your day job Mr. Smarty pants.

[Gandalf]

I can read what I want and have no problems with it, but it is public and some of that information was revealed on non public forums.

Oh so your feelings are hurt....a thousand pardons....maybe instead of bitching about it you can just ask a mod to move the thread you dumb cunt

My feelings are not hurt in the slightest, but I just think you have acted poorly. I will not act for the Mods nor ask for their help. They can see and do as they see fit.

You though should know better and I hope everyone that reads this thread just sees you a little more as the sly weasel that that you are.

I raised a number of points in this thread and you answered none. It is because you couldn't. You are a silly young man who pretends to know something about the world, but has never lived beyond his own home state. You haven't a clue.

[El Kabong]

My feelings are not hurt in the slightest, but I just think you have acted poorly. I will not act for the Mods nor ask for their help. They can see and do as they see fit.

You though should know better and I hope everyone that reads this thread just sees you a little more as the sly weasel that that you are.

I raised a number of points in this thread and you answered none. It is because you couldn't. You are a silly young man who pretends to know something about the world, but has never lived beyond his own home state. You haven't a clue.

Points like what? Citizens in other nations being killed in a WAR ZONE? Yeah that has NEVER happened before . "Illegal wars"...VC just nailed you on that bullshit!...What do you want to ask me miles, go ahead....I'm listening

[Gandalf]

I also find VC quite hilarious with his pompous spiel about there being no
such thing as an illegal or legal war. So American. Of course it cannot be illegal if it is us doing it! Just as the lunatic Israeli's believe settlement building is nothing more than putting up trees in the park, it is America's god given right to inflict manifest destiny upon any nation should the whim to do so set in. 'Legality, no such thing'. Invade who you want when you want and see how that plays out if you are not of the annointed nations.

There isn't anything pompous about my post. There is not a legal precedent for when war is allowed or not. I think you confuse international law on how war is conducted with a non-existant legal basis to go to war. This is true for all countries not just the US and I never said different if you had any ability at objectivity you'd have realized that. We've had this conversation before and you were never able to provide the international legal binding document that prescribed when military action is "legal" or the legal body that rules on such things and typically resorted to threatening me with bodily harm. The act of going to war is a lot of things but it is not a matter of legality.

Oh dear. Typical American again.

A war of aggression is illegal post WW2. Vietnam was illegal, Iraq was certainly illegal. America does not have the right to leave all rulings meaningless just because US lawyers say it is so. It is an absurd notion though Van Childs clearly studied at an American University and thus America should have a free pass here on after. I imagine Van Childs studied at a good wholesome US university.

I see Lyle is now telling me to go to school. Told by a SOLDIER that AMERICA can basically do what it wants. Oh, I am so schooled by world opinion. Erm, in my face!

Lyle of course, never had a word to say back to me at any point.

[El Kabong]

Oh dear. Typical American again.

A war of aggression is illegal post WW2. Vietnam was illegal, Iraq was certainly illegal. America does not have the right to leave all rulings meaningless just because US lawyers say it is so. It is an absurd notion though Van Childs clearly studied at an American University and thus America should have a free pass here on after. I imagine Van Childs studied at a good wholesome US university.

I see Lyle is now telling me to go to school. Told by a SOLDIER that AMERICA can basically do what it wants. Oh, I am so schooled by world opinion. Erm, in my face!

Lyle of course, never had a word to say back to me at any point.

Ooooh miles, you're sooo unbiased

[Gandalf]

My feelings are not hurt in the slightest, but I just think you have acted poorly. I will not act for the Mods nor ask for their help. They can see and do as they see fit.

You though should know better and I hope everyone that reads this thread just sees you a little more as the sly weasel that that you are.

I raised a number of points in this thread and you answered none. It is because you couldn't. You are a silly young man who pretends to know something about the world, but has never lived beyond his own home state. You haven't a clue.

Points like what? Citizens in other nations being killed in a WAR ZONE? Yeah that has NEVER happened before . "Illegal wars"...VC just nailed you on that bullshit!...What do you want to ask me miles, go ahead....I'm listening

He didn't nail anything. All you have done is an ice skating job. For the first time in a while I am smiling. I am shocked at your cheek. VC has studied at an American University and paid for by the military, he is paid for and bought. The man will kill on request and will drum up a few pages from his muscular tomes, but really American history is false history as Norman Finklestein has proven.

[VictorCharlie]

Again Miles, provide the legally binding document that spells out the criteria of when a military operations are legal/illegal and what legal court rules on such matters. Something can't have a legal basis w/o a spelled out law and body that rules on such matters. Even things like the Geneva Convention accords are not internationally binding b/c not all countries signed all of them. I'll say again since you can't help but make this about your ignorant bigotry towards America. I don't hold the concept of war and legality only true for the US. I'm not sure how where I went to college has any bearing on this topic. It is part of my job to have a thorough understanding of the Law of Landwarfare. Particularly to keep myself and my subordinates out of prison. Needless to say I think I have a much better understanding of these issues than you. But hey bro if it makes you feel like you are sticking it to the bid bad US by using made up phrases like "illegal war" you right ahead. The educated and informed folk will continue to laugh at you.