Benghazi...oh you knew it was coming

[VictorCharlie]

I also find VC quite hilarious with his pompous spiel about there being no
such thing as an illegal or legal war. So American. Of course it cannot be illegal if it is us doing it! Just as the lunatic Israeli's believe settlement building is nothing more than putting up trees in the park, it is America's god given right to inflict manifest destiny upon any nation should the whim to do so set in. 'Legality, no such thing'. Invade who you want when you want and see how that plays out if you are not of the annointed nations.

There isn't anything pompous about my post. There is not a legal precedent for when war is allowed or not. I think you confuse international law on how war is conducted with a non-existant legal basis to go to war. This is true for all countries not just the US and I never said different if you had any ability at objectivity you'd have realized that. We've had this conversation before and you were never able to provide the international legal binding document that prescribed when military action is "legal" or the legal body that rules on such things and typically resorted to threatening me with bodily harm. The act of going to war is a lot of things but it is not a matter of legality.

[El Kabong]

I also find VC quite hilarious with his pompous spiel about there being no
such thing as an illegal or legal war. So American. Of course it cannot be illegal if it is us doing it! Just as the lunatic Israeli's believe settlement building is nothing more than putting up trees in the park, it is America's god given right to inflict manifest destiny upon any nation should the whim to do so set in. 'Legality, no such thing'. Invade who you want when you want and see how that plays out if you are not of the annointed nations.

There isn't anything pompous about my post. There is not a legal precedent for when war is allowed or not. I think you confuse international law on how war is conducted with a non-existant legal basis to go to war. This is true for all countries not just the US and I never said different if you had any ability at objectivity you'd have realized that. We've had this conversation before and you were never able to provide the international legal binding document that prescribed when military action is "legal" or the legal body that rules on such things but you couldn't provide any such things and typically resorted to threatening me with bodily harm. The act of going to war is a lot of things but it is not a matter of legality.

BOOM! The soldier just took your dumbass to school miles.....IN YOUR FACE!!!!!! Go back to your day job Mr. Smarty pants.

[Gandalf]

I also find VC quite hilarious with his pompous spiel about there being no
such thing as an illegal or legal war. So American. Of course it cannot be illegal if it is us doing it! Just as the lunatic Israeli's believe settlement building is nothing more than putting up trees in the park, it is America's god given right to inflict manifest destiny upon any nation should the whim to do so set in. 'Legality, no such thing'. Invade who you want when you want and see how that plays out if you are not of the annointed nations.

There isn't anything pompous about my post. There is not a legal precedent for when war is allowed or not. I think you confuse international law on how war is conducted with a non-existant legal basis to go to war. This is true for all countries not just the US and I never said different if you had any ability at objectivity you'd have realized that. We've had this conversation before and you were never able to provide the international legal binding document that prescribed when military action is "legal" or the legal body that rules on such things and typically resorted to threatening me with bodily harm. The act of going to war is a lot of things but it is not a matter of legality.

Oh dear. Typical American again.

A war of aggression is illegal post WW2. Vietnam was illegal, Iraq was certainly illegal. America does not have the right to leave all rulings meaningless just because US lawyers say it is so. It is an absurd notion though Van Childs clearly studied at an American University and thus America should have a free pass here on after. I imagine Van Childs studied at a good wholesome US university.

I see Lyle is now telling me to go to school. Told by a SOLDIER that AMERICA can basically do what it wants. Oh, I am so schooled by world opinion. Erm, in my face!

Lyle of course, never had a word to say back to me at any point.

[El Kabong]

Oh dear. Typical American again.

A war of aggression is illegal post WW2. Vietnam was illegal, Iraq was certainly illegal. America does not have the right to leave all rulings meaningless just because US lawyers say it is so. It is an absurd notion though Van Childs clearly studied at an American University and thus America should have a free pass here on after. I imagine Van Childs studied at a good wholesome US university.

I see Lyle is now telling me to go to school. Told by a SOLDIER that AMERICA can basically do what it wants. Oh, I am so schooled by world opinion. Erm, in my face!

Lyle of course, never had a word to say back to me at any point.

Ooooh miles, you're sooo unbiased

[VictorCharlie]

Again Miles, provide the legally binding document that spells out the criteria of when a military operations are legal/illegal and what legal court rules on such matters. Something can't have a legal basis w/o a spelled out law and body that rules on such matters. Even things like the Geneva Convention accords are not internationally binding b/c not all countries signed all of them. I'll say again since you can't help but make this about your ignorant bigotry towards America. I don't hold the concept of war and legality only true for the US. I'm not sure how where I went to college has any bearing on this topic. It is part of my job to have a thorough understanding of the Law of Landwarfare. Particularly to keep myself and my subordinates out of prison. Needless to say I think I have a much better understanding of these issues than you. But hey bro if it makes you feel like you are sticking it to the bid bad US by using made up phrases like "illegal war" you right ahead. The educated and informed folk will continue to laugh at you.

[Gandalf]

Again Miles, provide the legally binding document that spells out the criteria of when a military operations are legal/illegal and what legal court rules on such matters. Something can't have a legal basis w/o a spelled out law and body that rules on such matters. Even things like the Geneva Convention accords are not internationally binding b/c not all countries signed all of them. I'll say again since you can't help but make this about your ignorant bigotry towards America. I don't hold the concept of war and legality only true for the US. I'm not sure how where I went to college has any bearing on this topic. It is part of my job to have a thorough understanding of the Law of Landwarfare. Particularly to keep myself and my subordinates out of prison. Needless to say I think I have a much better understanding of these issues than you. But hey bro if it makes you feel like you are sticking it to the bid bad US by using made up phrases like "illegal war" you right ahead. The educated and informed folk will continue to laugh at you.

Nobody laughs, you silly servant of a corrupt global super power.

A war of aggression, as defined by Nuremburg is illegal. You are NOT an expert, others are and you have a serious agenda. You are tool within a superpower, and want to pay for your life. Your moral concerns are irrelevant. You want to pay for your children to do well and protecting your interests is a primary concern. You are not an expert on anything, you are an agent of a superpower.

Nobody is laughing at me as I have no vested interest. I don't work for the military, I don't pretend to justify invasions of nations, or kill others to secure the welfare of my children. You do and that is why you are not to be trusted. You are the problem. You will NEVER admit that your nation is sick and is the problem and makes all of this happen.

People like Finklestein and Chomsky are Jews working in the system and telling truth, but you are not on that level and so I laugh at you with your military background, delusion, and pretence at being a lawyer. Dershowitz is a lawyer and if you are like that then you clearly went to Harvard, but no you didn't, and you not an expert in anything whence the way you think. Real thinkers laugh at people like you. People that joined the military in the first place. You couldn't do anything else.

[VictorCharlie]

Oh we are back to me just being a dumb sheep of a Soldier that couldn't do anything else are we? When in doubt Ad Hominem right? I don't have any agenda here. I don't really care what you and others think about the US and of course my children are my primary concern. What a silly statement to make.

Nuremberg gets you close but really is just more of a declarative statement about aggression and lets face it was very much a winners getting to write history moment. Article 39 of the UN Charter provides that the UN Security Council shall determine the existence of any act of aggression and "shall make recommendations, or decide what measures shall be taken in accordance with Articles 41 and 42, to maintain or restore international peace and security". But again that isn't a definition of legal vs illegal only stating that the UN can vote on an act and how to bring peace back. I think even you can agree that if the US gets a vote then the whole concept of legality is a sham.

What you are really looking for is the Rome Statutes that actually have an international criminal court that rules on aggression with codified law but it only has jurisdiciton over state parties and the US is not one.

See Miles I wasn't just being obtuse there was an actual answer to the question you just didn't know it. Thankfully despite being a full blown retard that should be lucky there is a military to employ me I somehow figured it out. Must have been that lousy American education I got.

[Kirkland Laing]

I also find VC quite hilarious with his pompous spiel about there being no
such thing as an illegal or legal war. So American. Of course it cannot be illegal if it is us doing it! Just as the lunatic Israeli's believe settlement building is nothing more than putting up trees in the park, it is America's god given right to inflict manifest destiny upon any nation should the whim to do so set in. 'Legality, no such thing'. Invade who you want when you want and see how that plays out if you are not of the annointed nations.

There isn't anything pompous about my post. There is not a legal precedent for when war is allowed or not. I think you confuse international law on how war is conducted with a non-existant legal basis to go to war. This is true for all countries not just the US and I never said different if you had any ability at objectivity you'd have realized that. We've had this conversation before and you were never able to provide the international legal binding document that prescribed when military action is "legal" or the legal body that rules on such things and typically resorted to threatening me with bodily harm. The act of going to war is a lot of things but it is not a matter of legality.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iraq war illegal, says Annan

[El Kabong]

I also find VC quite hilarious with his pompous spiel about there being no
such thing as an illegal or legal war. So American. Of course it cannot be illegal if it is us doing it! Just as the lunatic Israeli's believe settlement building is nothing more than putting up trees in the park, it is America's god given right to inflict manifest destiny upon any nation should the whim to do so set in. 'Legality, no such thing'. Invade who you want when you want and see how that plays out if you are not of the annointed nations.

There isn't anything pompous about my post. There is not a legal precedent for when war is allowed or not. I think you confuse international law on how war is conducted with a non-existant legal basis to go to war. This is true for all countries not just the US and I never said different if you had any ability at objectivity you'd have realized that. We've had this conversation before and you were never able to provide the international legal binding document that prescribed when military action is "legal" or the legal body that rules on such things and typically resorted to threatening me with bodily harm. The act of going to war is a lot of things but it is not a matter of legality.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iraq war illegal, says Annan

The UN is impotent, corrupt, and more inept than the Obama Administration

[Kirkland Laing]

I also find VC quite hilarious with his pompous spiel about there being no
such thing as an illegal or legal war. So American. Of course it cannot be illegal if it is us doing it! Just as the lunatic Israeli's believe settlement building is nothing more than putting up trees in the park, it is America's god given right to inflict manifest destiny upon any nation should the whim to do so set in. 'Legality, no such thing'. Invade who you want when you want and see how that plays out if you are not of the annointed nations.

There isn't anything pompous about my post. There is not a legal precedent for when war is allowed or not. I think you confuse international law on how war is conducted with a non-existant legal basis to go to war. This is true for all countries not just the US and I never said different if you had any ability at objectivity you'd have realized that. We've had this conversation before and you were never able to provide the international legal binding document that prescribed when military action is "legal" or the legal body that rules on such things and typically resorted to threatening me with bodily harm. The act of going to war is a lot of things but it is not a matter of legality.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iraq war illegal, says Annan

The UN is impotent, corrupt, and more inept than the Obama Administration

It's impotent because motheruckers like George Bush ignore the will of its members and do what the fuck they want.As far as corruption goes the UN is a vestal virgin compared to the American political system.

[Kirkland Laing]

Anyway, Benghazi! All it took was a few facts to shut you up. Never mind, I'm sure the next scandal really will be bigger than Watergate. That'll be the one thatg ets Obama, you just wait.

[El Kabong]

It's impotent because motheruckers like George Bush ignore the will of its members and do what the fuck they want.As far as corruption goes the UN is a vestal virgin compared to the American political system.

It's impotent because they rely all too heavily on the United States doing the heavy lifting and because the UN "leaders" are corrupt, Kofi Annan among them

As Iraq's interim defense minister Hazem Sha'alan remarked, "Where was Kofi Annan when Saddam Hussein was slaughtering the Iraqi people like sheep?"

The UN has bungled mission after mission and been slow to react examples: Rwanda, Bosnia, Sudan

Kofi Annan's Legacy of Failure

You didn't watch the videos apparently

[Kirkland Laing]

It's impotent because motheruckers like George Bush ignore the will of its members and do what the fuck they want.As far as corruption goes the UN is a vestal virgin compared to the American political system.

It's impotent because they rely all too heavily on the United States doing the heavy lifting and because the UN "leaders" are corrupt, Kofi Annan among them

As Iraq's interim defense minister Hazem Sha'alan remarked, "Where was Kofi Annan when Saddam Hussein was slaughtering the Iraqi people like sheep?"

The UN has bungled mission after mission and been slow to react examples: Rwanda, Bosnia, Sudan

Kofi Annan's Legacy of Failure

You didn't watch the videos apparently

The UN is only as good as its members can let it be. When you have rogue nations like America doing whatever they want it's very difficult to be effective. The UN is at best an imperfect setup and often worse than that but it's the best multilateral conflict/problem resolver we have and it would work much better if its most powerful members all stuck to the rules they signed up to.

[VictorCharlie]

I also find VC quite hilarious with his pompous spiel about there being no
such thing as an illegal or legal war. So American. Of course it cannot be illegal if it is us doing it! Just as the lunatic Israeli's believe settlement building is nothing more than putting up trees in the park, it is America's god given right to inflict manifest destiny upon any nation should the whim to do so set in. 'Legality, no such thing'. Invade who you want when you want and see how that plays out if you are not of the annointed nations.

There isn't anything pompous about my post. There is not a legal precedent for when war is allowed or not. I think you confuse international law on how war is conducted with a non-existant legal basis to go to war. This is true for all countries not just the US and I never said different if you had any ability at objectivity you'd have realized that. We've had this conversation before and you were never able to provide the international legal binding document that prescribed when military action is "legal" or the legal body that rules on such things and typically resorted to threatening me with bodily harm. The act of going to war is a lot of things but it is not a matter of legality.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iraq war illegal, says Annan

The UN doesn't create international law on the legality of war that all nations must follow. No one does. Annan said "I hope we do not see another Iraq-type operation for a long time - without UN approval and much broader support from the international community," So he can say illegal but what he means is acts of aggression are ok if you get enough votes in the UN.

[El Kabong]

Exclusive: Benghazi Talking Points Underwent 12 Revisions, Scrubbed of Terror Reference - ABC News

Hmmmm....curious, why ever would the Obama Administration do that? I mean what is the benefit of playing down terrorism....and doing that isn't that kind of like lying? I mean A actually happened but you go on tv and tell the American people that B happened, that's kind of like lying isn't it?

The significant edits – deleting references to al Qaeda and the CIA’s warnings – came after a White House meeting on the Saturday before Ambassador Susan Rice appeared on five Sunday shows.


Just curious is all...I mean it's not likely to have affected the election or anything