At least the "Wlad Klitschko is a good role model" myth has bit the dust

[Beanz]

Saturday has proved once and for all that the dumb idea that Wlad is somehow a great role model for the sport of boxing is a crock of sh*t. He is famous for his day job. Whilst at work he ignores the rules, displays no respect for the integrity of the sport and pushes the idea of gamesmanship right out of the envelope. That is on top of the krap that he and his brother pull in paying their opponents derisory sums etc. Vitali is nowhere near as smug as Wlad but the pair are pretty insufferable and fast destroying the glamour division.

[Beanflicker]

Are there ANY real role models in boxing? I'll take a well educated, articulate gentleman who occasionally holds and wrestles way too much over the usual woman beating, drug abusing, violent thugs that boxing attracts.

[El Kabong]

Saturday has proved once and for all that the dumb idea that Wlad is somehow a great role model for the sport of boxing is a crock of sh*t. He is famous for his day job. Whilst at work he ignores the rules, displays no respect for the integrity of the sport and pushes the idea of gamesmanship right out of the envelope. That is on top of the krap that he and his brother pull in paying their opponents derisory sums etc. Vitali is nowhere near as smug as Wlad but the pair are pretty insufferable and fast destroying the glamour division.

Bitter much?

[Beanz]

Are there ANY real role models in boxing? I'll take a well educated, articulate gentleman who occasionally holds and wrestles way too much over the usual woman beating, drug abusing, violent thugs that boxing attracts.

That misses the point. Boxing like life is populated by all sorts those who have turned their lives around and those beyond redemption. I was merely pointing out the abject hypocrisy of praising somebody for behaving well outside of their day job whilst ignoring the rules at work. In a job that is carried out in public in front of millions for millions it is not very respectable to act like a coward and a cheat when you already have everything tipping the balance in your favour. He does not have to be a role model but let's not pretend that he is.

[El Kabong]

That misses the point. Boxing like life is populated by all sorts those who have turned their lives around and those beyond redemption. I was merely pointing out the abject hypocrisy of praising somebody for behaving well outside of their day job whilst ignoring the rules at work. In a job that is carried out in public in front of millions for millions it is not very respectable to act like a coward and a cheat when you already have everything tipping the balance in your favour. He does not have to be a role model but let's not pretend that he is.

Lennox Lewis vs Michael Grant......your thoughts?

[Beanz]

Saturday has proved once and for all that the dumb idea that Wlad is somehow a great role model for the sport of boxing is a crock of sh*t. He is famous for his day job. Whilst at work he ignores the rules, displays no respect for the integrity of the sport and pushes the idea of gamesmanship right out of the envelope. That is on top of the krap that he and his brother pull in paying their opponents derisory sums etc. Vitali is nowhere near as smug as Wlad but the pair are pretty insufferable and fast destroying the glamour division.

Bitter much?

Not at all. It is you who is bitter and unwilling to debate. You have classed every one who does not subscribe to your own myopic view as a hater. Many started off on Saturday night surprisingly finding themselves behind Wlad hoping that he would deliver the goods and expose Povetkin and ended up the evening with no option but to shake their heads in disappointment. Wlad disgraced himself and left any real boxing fan with little option. You are in the minority because you backed yourself into a corner not because everyone else is bitter. You are entitled to your opinion but please do not be so quick to label anyone who disagrees as a hater. You are better than that.

[Beanz]

That misses the point. Boxing like life is populated by all sorts those who have turned their lives around and those beyond redemption. I was merely pointing out the abject hypocrisy of praising somebody for behaving well outside of their day job whilst ignoring the rules at work. In a job that is carried out in public in front of millions for millions it is not very respectable to act like a coward and a cheat when you already have everything tipping the balance in your favour. He does not have to be a role model but let's not pretend that he is.

Lennox Lewis vs Michael Grant......your thoughts?

Lennox Lewis is not a role model. He was a far better, more entertaining and braver boxer than Wlad though.

[El Kabong]

Not at all. It is you who is bitter and unwilling to debate. You have classed every one who does not subscribe to your own myopic view as a hater. Many started off on Saturday night surprisingly finding themselves behind Wlad hoping that he would deliver the goods and expose Povetkin and ended up the evening with no option but to shake their heads in disappointment. Wlad disgraced himself and left any real boxing fan with little option. You are in the minority because you backed yourself into a corner not because everyone else is bitter. You are entitled to your opinion but please do not be so quick to label anyone who disagrees as a hater. You are better than that.

I called them haters and RIGHTFULLY SO!

When Ricky Hatton mauls someone and the ref does nothing it's "Well done Ricky, atta way!"

When Ricky gets called to task about his style it's "Booo ref boooooo!"

When Lennox Lewis did EVERYTHING that Wlad did it's "Lennox Lewis is a great champion never say his name in the same breath as Wladimir Klitschko"


You are a hater, you and every other fan who has been complaining about Wladimir or the ref.

I am pragmatic in my views and steadfast in them. If the ref calls foul then it's a foul, if not then it's not a foul. I am realistic about "fairness" in life. There were things Povetkin could do to try and "level the field" IF he thought he was being wronged (but by his statements he said he hadn't been wronged).

Keep whining about it I have read 0 from you or anyone else on Anthony Joshua's holding and hitting....you DO know that's illegal right?

I'm being consistent which is why I win the argument, you're playing favorites and that is why your argument is flawed and that is why you lose.

[El Kabong]

Lennox Lewis is not a role model. He was a far better, more entertaining and braver boxer than Wlad though.

Erroneous.....DID HE BOX WITHIN THE RULES


SURVEY SAYS NO


But as he didn't get called on it, I don't begrudge him his success....but YOU you DO begrudge Wlad his success and that's wrong.

[Freedom]

Plenty of hate for Wlad in these forums, but people should keep this in mind:

Wladimir never bit off his opponent's ear and he never raped a woman like Mike Tyson.

He never deliberately headbutts like Evander Holyfield, Andre Ward and Bernard Hopkins.

He was never a pimp who assaulted underage girls like Adonis Stevenson.

He's never spit in another boxer's face like Dereck Chisora.

He never threw a beautiful woman off a balcony like Carlos Monzon.

He never thrown fights like Jake LaMotta.

He never murdered his beautiful young wife like Edwin Valero.

He never beat up his woman to bring on a miscarriage like Sugar Ray Robinson.

He's never assaulted a hooker like Deontay Wilder.

He never terrorized his wife and children like Riddick Bowe.

He never captured a stripper and made her a s*x slave like Ike Ibeabuchi.

He's never performed cunnilingus on a stripper in a nightclub like Adrien Broner.

He's never been a crack head like Oliver McCall, nor a heroin addict like Sonny Liston.

[Beanz]

It matters not what Wlad DID NOT do and it's not about winning an argument. El Kabong and Freedom neither of you are being pragmatic or reasonable when you label anybody who does not agree with you as a hater.

[IamInuit]

I'm sure he's a nice fella.

It takes a rather broad brush to suggest that anyone displeased with that performance by him or the ref is just a hater. I mean that about dummies the conversation down about as far as it can go. You see it does not matter who the fighters were. It was a terrible fight on multiple levels. It makes little difference to me whether I'm called a "hater" or not. That word has lost all meaning on boxing forums.

[El Kabong]

It matters not what Wlad DID NOT do and it's not about winning an argument. El Kabong and Freedom neither of you are being pragmatic or reasonable when you label anybody who does not agree with you as a hater.

No I labeled people who are picking and choosing when they want the rules enforced haters, and you're one of them Captain Sunshine

I've been quite consistent in my argument. If the ref doesn't call it then it didn't happen. Same for Wlad as it is for anyone else and it's not a black mark on his career if he does what he did to Povetkin, it's not the first or last fight where the ref will be questioned about calls made or not made. All I ask of you and everyone else is BE CONSISTENT...either rule breaking = bad or not, you can't pick and choose who gets special rule breaking privileges. The ref didn't call it the other night, tough shit bud

[Freedom]

I'm sure he's a nice fella.

It takes a rather broad brush to suggest that anyone displeased with that performance by him or the ref is just a hater. I mean that about dummies the conversation down about as far as it can go. You see it does not matter who the fighters were. It was a terrible fight on multiple levels. It makes little difference to me whether I'm called a "hater" or not. That word has lost all meaning on boxing forums.

No one is denying that Wlad was holding too much and it was an ugly fight. And no one is calling you a hater, I find your posts to be reasonable and objective.

However, the real Klitschko haters have been going overboard the past couple of days on these boxing forums.

[Silkeyjoe]

Not at all. It is you who is bitter and unwilling to debate. You have classed every one who does not subscribe to your own myopic view as a hater. Many started off on Saturday night surprisingly finding themselves behind Wlad hoping that he would deliver the goods and expose Povetkin and ended up the evening with no option but to shake their heads in disappointment. Wlad disgraced himself and left any real boxing fan with little option. You are in the minority because you backed yourself into a corner not because everyone else is bitter. You are entitled to your opinion but please do not be so quick to label anyone who disagrees as a hater. You are better than that.

I called them haters and RIGHTFULLY SO!

When Ricky Hatton mauls someone and the ref does nothing it's "Well done Ricky, atta way!"

When Ricky gets called to task about his style it's "Booo ref boooooo!"

When Lennox Lewis did EVERYTHING that Wlad did it's "Lennox Lewis is a great champion never say his name in the same breath as Wladimir Klitschko"


You are a hater, you and every other fan who has been complaining about Wladimir or the ref.

I am pragmatic in my views and steadfast in them. If the ref calls foul then it's a foul, if not then it's not a foul. I am realistic about "fairness" in life. There were things Povetkin could do to try and "level the field" IF he thought he was being wronged (but by his statements he said he hadn't been wronged).

Keep whining about it I have read 0 from you or anyone else on Anthony Joshua's holding and hitting....you DO know that's illegal right?

I'm being consistent which is why I win the argument, you're playing favorites and that is why your argument is flawed and that is why you lose.

I certainly aint a Wlad hater but u cant deny that the ref was shocking in that fight. Wlad was jumping in from a distance just to lean on Povetkin.

Agree Joshuas holding and hitting was filthy. Ill give him the benefit of the doubt that it was his debut.