At least the "Wlad Klitschko is a good role model" myth has bit the dust

[BIG H]

Wlad has reigned in the worst HW era in history IMO. Almost beggers belief how bad the division has been for 10 years! People can say what they like, but my opinion will not change. Vitali, I could see been successful in any era, Wlad would not IMHO.

Wlad's best win is Sam Peter. It's not Wlad's fault that the era is shit and he doesn't have any great wins, it is his fault that his has some awful losses (and we aren't talking 1 punch KOs, we are talking about being beaten up!!) But I know 'He has changed since then'

There is nobody on Wlad's reaume that would not also have lost to Tim Witherspoon, Tommy Morrison, Razor Ruddock, Tony Tucker etc etc etc.

[El Kabong]

There is nobody on Wlad's reaume that would not also have lost to Tim Witherspoon, Tommy Morrison, Razor Ruddock, Tony Tucker etc etc etc.

Chris Byrd wouldn't have given those guys a run? Tony Thompson couldn't? David Haye? Lamon Brewster? Calvin Brock? I think Chagaev, Povetkin, and Ibragimov were good fighters, but their styles don't match well with Wlad's. Jameel McCline would have been competitive with those guys. Sam Peter catches a lot of hell but he was a good fighter.

I guarantee you all those guys mentioned would have at least been competitive with who you mentioned.

[Beanz]

There is nobody on Wlad's reaume that would not also have lost to Tim Witherspoon, Tommy Morrison, Razor Ruddock, Tony Tucker etc etc etc.

Chris Byrd wouldn't have given those guys a run? Tony Thompson couldn't? David Haye? Lamon Brewster? Calvin Brock? I think Chagaev, Povetkin, and Ibragimov were good fighters, but their styles don't match well with Wlad's. Jameel McCline would have been competitive with those guys. Sam Peter catches a lot of hell but he was a good fighter.

I guarantee you all those guys mentioned would have at least been competitive with who you mentioned.

There are few things in life that you can guarantee. Wlad laying on somebodies back like the pusillanimous dead eyed donkey that he is, while you sit on the sidelines milking your man udder in shivering delight is one of them.

[El Kabong]

There are few things in life that you can guarantee. Wlad laying on somebodies back like the pusillanimous dead eyed donkey that he is, while you sit on the sidelines milking your man udder in shivering delight is one of them.

Oh I'm sorry all I seemed to get from that is "I can't argue on the points so I'll just make an emotional statement to try and get Lyle off his game....you know, like a woman would do"

But hey, you want to argue that way fine, all it means is you'll keep insulting me and I'll have won the debate. So enjoy your hollow victory MISS Beanz

[Beanz]

Victory ? Are you really that one dimensional ?

If somebody can not conduct himself in his day job, the job on which his reputation is built, in an honourable manner, then surely it is fickle, duplicitous and downright stupid to suggest that he is a good role model? Everything else is stuff and nonsense.

Are you suggesting that to suggest so implies that I have an irrational hatred of the man simply because he is not British ? If so then it is plainly not worth debating the subject with you. Weird really because if you feel Wlad has nothing to answer for, you are surprisingly indignant and all over every Wald/Povetkin thread like a persistent rash.

[El Kabong]

Victory ? Are you really that one dimensional ?

If somebody can not conduct himself in his day job, the job on which his reputation is built, in an honourable manner, then surely it is fickle, duplicitous and downright stupid to suggest that he is a good role model? Everything else is stuff and nonsense.

Are you suggesting that to suggest so implies that I have an irrational hatred of the man simply because he is not British ? If so then it is plainly not worth debating the subject with you. Weird really because if you feel Wlad has nothing to answer for, you are surprisingly indignant and all over every Wald/Povetkin thread like a persistent rash.

I'm on every thread about this because people are making the very same mistakes in their arguments which are #1 they don't understand when a ref doesn't call a foul it's not a foul #2 All fighters foul if they can get away with it #3 Any fighter can have a fight that's not fan friendly

[ykdadamaja]

Wlad has reigned in the worst HW era in history IMO. Almost beggers belief how bad the division has been for 10 years! People can say what they like, but my opinion will not change. Vitali, I could see been successful in any era, Wlad would not IMHO.

Wlad's best win is Sam Peter. It's not Wlad's fault that the era is shit and he doesn't have any great wins, it is his fault that his has some awful losses (and we aren't talking 1 punch KOs, we are talking about being beaten up!!) But I know 'He has changed since then'

There is nobody on Wlad's reaume that would not also have lost to Tim Witherspoon, Tommy Morrison, Razor Ruddock, Tony Tucker etc etc etc.

Man, we need to give a FIT and WELL RESTED Lamon Brewster some credit. lololol....

[Mr140]

I think Haye, Bryde and Bewster would do just fine in the shit division that was the 1980's really people going over board on this last fight. i know the man clinched to much we get it he should of just finished him i understand but him being champ for ever doesn't get erased by last night Wald so much hate. Also why is he not a great role model he does not rape people, have billion kids he doesn't pay for, not a racist, didn't kill anyone and doesn't do drugs. He is a well educated man who does a lot of charity and respectable just because he boring doesn't change the person he is come on now guys.

[Gandalf]

I think Haye, Bryde and Bewster would do just fine in the shit division that was the 1980's really people going over board on this last fight. i know the man clinched to much we get it he should of just finished him i understand but him being champ for ever doesn't get erased by last night Wald so much hate. Also why is he not a great role model he does not rape people, have billion kids he doesn't pay for, not a racist, didn't kill anyone and doesn't do drugs. He is a well educated man who does a lot of charity and respectable just because he boring doesn't change the person he is come on now guys.

Tyson would walk through them all and would dismantle Wlad within 2 rounds. The problem with Tyson is that revisionists like Lyle equate a 1990's post jail Tyson with what was in existance in the mid to late '80's. It's a silly comparison.

The reason Wlad gets picked on is because he is a crappy excuse for a fighter. Now if you want to be a role model for the kids then punching someone in the head is a weird choice to make. A professional fighter has a role to play and that is that of a fighter following the rules of the ring. He cannot make up his own rules and cheat a paying audience. In that sense Wlad is no different to a ponzi scheme, 'Invest in me and I will rip you off and laugh all the way to the bank whilst the authorities turn a blind eye'.

It's called a con.

[erics44]

I think Haye, Bryde and Bewster would do just fine in the shit division that was the 1980's really people going over board on this last fight. i know the man clinched to much we get it he should of just finished him i understand but him being champ for ever doesn't get erased by last night Wald so much hate. Also why is he not a great role model he does not rape people, have billion kids he doesn't pay for, not a racist, didn't kill anyone and doesn't do drugs. He is a well educated man who does a lot of charity and respectable just because he boring doesn't change the person he is come on now guys.

are these the only things that stop you being a role model?

[Mr140]

Eric i don't ask much of people don't kill, don't rape, take care of your kids and if you do drugs handle your shit and keep it to yourself we all party. As for Tyson Gan he never beat a true elite heavyweight in his time either and his division was crap. His lose to Douglas is i think worst then all Walds combined he was a 40 to fucking 1 going into that fight. That being said Tyson is a top ten and Wlad keeps winning he will be to he is not fun to watch but i am not going write him off against others in 80's shit division. also forgot that don't hate on people because of there skin ton either.

[erics44]

Eric i don't ask much of people don't kill, don't rape, take care of your kids and if you do drugs handle your shit and keep it to yourself we all party. As for Tyson Gan he never beat a true elite heavyweight in his time either and his division was crap. His lose to Douglas is i think worst then all Walds combined he was a 40 to fucking 1 going into that fight. That being said Tyson is a top ten and Wlad keeps winning he will be to he is not fun to watch but i am not going write him off against others in 80's shit division. also forgot that don't hate on people because of there skin ton either.

im not sure what any of that means, sounds like a rant

[Gandalf]

Tyson didn't train well and had a bad day at the office. Wlad at the same age had lost to far inferior fighters than Tyson did. Not only lost, but got flattened each time. Tyson was stopped only once in around 40 fights. Tyson had a great chin even at his worst thus no early round blowouts. Post jail Tyson is a pointless discussion as he wasn't the same and mental demons had taken over completely as evidenced by his own boxing and criminal history. Mad as a hatter.

[Mr140]

I heaven't sleep in a while my bad i was answering your question that's all i really think that keeps you from being a role model if your doing well. The other part was for Gan not for you i kinda put them together anyway i don't feel this hw division is not much weaker then most of the decades. Tyson he doesn't have any huge wins better then Wlad expect a Old Holmes who had not fought for few years. Also his lose to Douglas is worse then any of the loses Wald ever had really. We get Wlads boring i been hearing it for ever but he been winning for a while and hasn't been close to losing in 10 years.

[Mr140]

Ok so in Tyson's prime he beat a bunch of bums beat a 38 year old Holmes coming out of retirement, a guy who was a great lhw and then lost to a sub par guy who was 40 to 1 to lose to him. I mean come on nothing but excuses for Tyson never hear that shit about Holyfeild or Ali and they went through hell and back still manged to keep going. I mean this fight has kinda made the the old times look to good and the current times look worse then they really are but soon so you guys can be happy because the brothers will be gone and people can be competitive again.