Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the all-time great heavyweights?

[BIG H]

He still got beaten at battered like a rag dolls 3 times

as opposed to Lennox Lewis' 2 times or Tyson's 5 times?


Only Marciano NEVER lost and to be honest to lose the way Wlad did and not just keep fighting but to become the BEST in the division hands down, it just makes it all the more impressive.

Lewis didn't get beaten and battered and thrown around and bullied. He got caught by a huge punch, twice. I'd rather get KOed by those 2 punches that suffer the defeats Wlad did.

[El Kabong]

Lewis didn't get beaten and battered and thrown around and bullied. He got caught by a huge punch, twice. I'd rather get KOed by those 2 punches that suffer the defeats Wlad did.

.....and Wlad is still the best right now, even after those fights. To regroup, recapture his form and dominate the division after that...it takes a lot of determination to do that

[Dark Lord Al]

To be honest in my opinion Wlad would beat Clay , I just don't see the 15 stone Clay having the power to hurt him.
Sure Wlad would be beaten by a few of the big hitters. But for me Clay was great in his era , but no way he beats everybody in the modern era.

[ross]

Lewis didn't get beaten and battered and thrown around and bullied. He got caught by a huge punch, twice. I'd rather get KOed by those 2 punches that suffer the defeats Wlad did.

.....and Wlad is still the best right now, even after those fights. To regroup, recapture his form and dominate the division after that...it takes a lot of determination to do that

No he's not, not until he beats his brother. Vitali beat Sanders and had an easier time against Peter.

To be honest in my opinion Wlad would beat Clay , I just don't see the 15 stone Clay having the power to hurt him.
Sure Wlad would be beaten by a few of the big hitters. But for me Clay was great in his era , but no way he beats everybody in the modern era.

Yet Clay took the shots of the biggest punchers ever and beat them

[Master]

To be honest in my opinion Wlad would beat Clay , I just don't see the 15 stone Clay having the power to hurt him.
Sure Wlad would be beaten by a few of the big hitters. But for me Clay was great in his era , but no way he beats everybody in the modern era.

Ali was awesome against Williams and we did not even see the best of Ali because of the ban.

[El Kabong]

Lewis didn't get beaten and battered and thrown around and bullied. He got caught by a huge punch, twice. I'd rather get KOed by those 2 punches that suffer the defeats Wlad did.

.....and Wlad is still the best right now, even after those fights. To regroup, recapture his form and dominate the division after that...it takes a lot of determination to do that

No he's not, not until he beats his brother. Vitali beat Sanders and had an easier time against Peter.

To be honest in my opinion Wlad would beat Clay , I just don't see the 15 stone Clay having the power to hurt him.
Sure Wlad would be beaten by a few of the big hitters. But for me Clay was great in his era , but no way he beats everybody in the modern era.

Yet Clay took the shots of the biggest punchers ever and beat them

Vitali took 4 years off while Wladimir dominated and it's Wlad that needs to prove himself? Again, Corrie Sanders is DEAD (R.I.P) so I highly doubt a rematch would be honorable or very difficult at this time you dolt. Wlad beat Sam Peter TWICE.

You keep clinging to your Mike Tyson.....he's not coming back, Teddy Atlas ain't coming back, and neither is Kevin Rooney. That style doesn't work against guys who control pace and distance and the shelf life of a guy who fights like that....maybe 2-3 peak years 5-7 at MOST. Tyson had what 4 years at his absolute peak?

[ross]

Lewis didn't get beaten and battered and thrown around and bullied. He got caught by a huge punch, twice. I'd rather get KOed by those 2 punches that suffer the defeats Wlad did.

.....and Wlad is still the best right now, even after those fights. To regroup, recapture his form and dominate the division after that...it takes a lot of determination to do that

No he's not, not until he beats his brother. Vitali beat Sanders and had an easier time against Peter.

To be honest in my opinion Wlad would beat Clay , I just don't see the 15 stone Clay having the power to hurt him.
Sure Wlad would be beaten by a few of the big hitters. But for me Clay was great in his era , but no way he beats everybody in the modern era.

Yet Clay took the shots of the biggest punchers ever and beat them

Vitali took 4 years off while Wladimir dominated and it's Wlad that needs to prove himself? Again, Corrie Sanders is DEAD (R.I.P) so I highly doubt a rematch would be honorable or very difficult at this time you dolt. Wlad beat Sam Peter TWICE.

You keep clinging to your Mike Tyson.....he's not coming back, Teddy Atlas ain't coming back, and neither is Kevin Rooney. That style doesn't work against guys who control pace and distance and the shelf life of a guy who fights like that....maybe 2-3 peak years 5-7 at MOST. Tyson had what 4 years at his absolute peak?

Wlad could have rematched Sanders imediately but didnt. He had 5 years to offer him a rematch and get the win over him but didnt

Wlad beat Sam Peter but Vitali did it easier, battered him

What has anything I said got to do with Mike Tyson

[powerpuncher]

To be honest in my opinion Wlad would beat Clay , I just don't see the 15 stone Clay having the power to hurt him.
Sure Wlad would be beaten by a few of the big hitters. But for me Clay was great in his era , but no way he beats everybody in the modern era.

is this a joke? you dont need much power to hurt wlad. he may have the weakest chin out of any HW champ in history. clay/ali had a good punch. he was by no means feather fisted.

[erics44]

To be honest in my opinion Wlad would beat Clay , I just don't see the 15 stone Clay having the power to hurt him.
Sure Wlad would be beaten by a few of the big hitters. But for me Clay was great in his era , but no way he beats everybody in the modern era.

is this a joke? you dont need much power to hurt wlad. he may have the weakest chin out of any HW champ in history. clay/ali had a good punch. he was by no means feather fisted.

depends which sport we are talking about

at boxing i say clay/ali wins and at wrestling wlad wins

[Mr140]

Well when ranking the top ten greatest you got look at a few things really. That being resume, defenses, and how long they reign over as champ. With Wald resume is the kicker really but i don't think its as bad as most think it is. Bryde, Chagve, Haye, Peter, Povetkin and Maybe Brewster besides the 70's and 90's i think those guys would be fine with most of the contenders of all the other eras not saying the champs. Not sure were to rank the man but if he keeps being champ and winning ever fight with out losing hardly any rounds its going to get hard not to.

[brocktonblockbust]

the 2 klitschkos suck donkey dick, backpeddling fools, only unreachable due to standing 6 foot 7 inches and having long motherfucking arms like a fucking orangutan.

[Mr140]

Fair enough Brock but do you think they could beat some the greats i mean 1900 to 1960s i give them chance to beat most of the fights and the 80's. They maybe tall and boring but if they keep winning and beating people it is going to be hard not to rank them i would think maybe not.

[DavilaJones]

To be honest in my opinion Wlad would beat Clay , I just don't see the 15 stone Clay having the power to hurt him.
Sure Wlad would be beaten by a few of the big hitters. But for me Clay was great in his era , but no way he beats everybody in the modern era.

Ali was awesome against Williams and we did not even see the best of Ali because of the ban.

I believe Wlad would win against Ali for the same reason Norton did, Ali requires you to come to him, if you're taller and got a bigger reach and ideally want your opponent to come to you too then you neutralize Ali's offense greatly. It would be a pure boxing match but Wlad would win it.

[brocktonblockbust]

put gloves on this man, 7 foot 9 inches, he will then watch the klit-wit fights and learn there AllTime Great strategies and even improve on them. Here are the next generation of great boxers you fools. Is this what boxing has now become. The taller the better and God forbid dont let yourself EVER get hit---ahhh dont worry, nobody can reach your chin anyway!

[El Kabong]

put gloves on this man, 7 foot 9 inches, he will then watch the klit-wit fights and learn there AllTime Great strategies and even improve on them. Here are the next generation of great boxers you fools. Is this what boxing has now become. The taller the better and God forbid dont let yourself EVER get hit---ahhh dont worry, nobody can reach your chin anyway!

Brockton, you're being a whiny cunt and to make things worse, you're not consistent with your logic. You have all this pent up rage for the Klitschko's fighting tall....what do you want them to fight out of a crouch? Lennox Lewis fought tall, where's the hate for him? To be successful as a fighter you learn to use things to your advantage, tall fighters fight tall and keep the target farther away from their opponent, short fighters fight short and create a smaller target for their opponent. It is the way of the world of boxing forever and for always. Rocky Marciano fought short...do you hate him for it? Should he have fought like Ali? Ali fought tall should he have been a face first pug like you ask of the Klitschko's?

But you got right ahead little Brockton, cry your little fat meatball heart out