Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the all-time great heavyweights?

[BIG H]

Lewis got KOed by 1 punch, twice. Wlad got beat down and his ass handed to him 3 times.

Wladimir won every minute of every round against Puritty, until he ran out of gas. He was trying too hard for the KO, trying to impress his family and friends, fighting for the first time in his hometown of Kiev, UA.



Wlad was also dominating Brewster, until once again, he tried too hard to KO him and ran out of gas. Sanders he underestimated, at that time he was becoming bored with fighting fringe contenders and wanted a crack at Lennox Lewis.

He still got beaten at battered like a rag dolls 3 times

[El Kabong]

He still got beaten at battered like a rag dolls 3 times

as opposed to Lennox Lewis' 2 times or Tyson's 5 times?


Only Marciano NEVER lost and to be honest to lose the way Wlad did and not just keep fighting but to become the BEST in the division hands down, it just makes it all the more impressive.

[BIG H]

He still got beaten at battered like a rag dolls 3 times

as opposed to Lennox Lewis' 2 times or Tyson's 5 times?


Only Marciano NEVER lost and to be honest to lose the way Wlad did and not just keep fighting but to become the BEST in the division hands down, it just makes it all the more impressive.

Lewis didn't get beaten and battered and thrown around and bullied. He got caught by a huge punch, twice. I'd rather get KOed by those 2 punches that suffer the defeats Wlad did.

[El Kabong]

Lewis didn't get beaten and battered and thrown around and bullied. He got caught by a huge punch, twice. I'd rather get KOed by those 2 punches that suffer the defeats Wlad did.

.....and Wlad is still the best right now, even after those fights. To regroup, recapture his form and dominate the division after that...it takes a lot of determination to do that

[Dark Lord Al]

To be honest in my opinion Wlad would beat Clay , I just don't see the 15 stone Clay having the power to hurt him.
Sure Wlad would be beaten by a few of the big hitters. But for me Clay was great in his era , but no way he beats everybody in the modern era.

[ross]

Lewis didn't get beaten and battered and thrown around and bullied. He got caught by a huge punch, twice. I'd rather get KOed by those 2 punches that suffer the defeats Wlad did.

.....and Wlad is still the best right now, even after those fights. To regroup, recapture his form and dominate the division after that...it takes a lot of determination to do that

No he's not, not until he beats his brother. Vitali beat Sanders and had an easier time against Peter.

To be honest in my opinion Wlad would beat Clay , I just don't see the 15 stone Clay having the power to hurt him.
Sure Wlad would be beaten by a few of the big hitters. But for me Clay was great in his era , but no way he beats everybody in the modern era.

Yet Clay took the shots of the biggest punchers ever and beat them

[El Kabong]

Lewis didn't get beaten and battered and thrown around and bullied. He got caught by a huge punch, twice. I'd rather get KOed by those 2 punches that suffer the defeats Wlad did.

.....and Wlad is still the best right now, even after those fights. To regroup, recapture his form and dominate the division after that...it takes a lot of determination to do that

No he's not, not until he beats his brother. Vitali beat Sanders and had an easier time against Peter.

To be honest in my opinion Wlad would beat Clay , I just don't see the 15 stone Clay having the power to hurt him.
Sure Wlad would be beaten by a few of the big hitters. But for me Clay was great in his era , but no way he beats everybody in the modern era.

Yet Clay took the shots of the biggest punchers ever and beat them

Vitali took 4 years off while Wladimir dominated and it's Wlad that needs to prove himself? Again, Corrie Sanders is DEAD (R.I.P) so I highly doubt a rematch would be honorable or very difficult at this time you dolt. Wlad beat Sam Peter TWICE.

You keep clinging to your Mike Tyson.....he's not coming back, Teddy Atlas ain't coming back, and neither is Kevin Rooney. That style doesn't work against guys who control pace and distance and the shelf life of a guy who fights like that....maybe 2-3 peak years 5-7 at MOST. Tyson had what 4 years at his absolute peak?

[Master]

To be honest in my opinion Wlad would beat Clay , I just don't see the 15 stone Clay having the power to hurt him.
Sure Wlad would be beaten by a few of the big hitters. But for me Clay was great in his era , but no way he beats everybody in the modern era.

Ali was awesome against Williams and we did not even see the best of Ali because of the ban.

[DavilaJones]

To be honest in my opinion Wlad would beat Clay , I just don't see the 15 stone Clay having the power to hurt him.
Sure Wlad would be beaten by a few of the big hitters. But for me Clay was great in his era , but no way he beats everybody in the modern era.

Ali was awesome against Williams and we did not even see the best of Ali because of the ban.

I believe Wlad would win against Ali for the same reason Norton did, Ali requires you to come to him, if you're taller and got a bigger reach and ideally want your opponent to come to you too then you neutralize Ali's offense greatly. It would be a pure boxing match but Wlad would win it.

[powerpuncher]

To be honest in my opinion Wlad would beat Clay , I just don't see the 15 stone Clay having the power to hurt him.
Sure Wlad would be beaten by a few of the big hitters. But for me Clay was great in his era , but no way he beats everybody in the modern era.

is this a joke? you dont need much power to hurt wlad. he may have the weakest chin out of any HW champ in history. clay/ali had a good punch. he was by no means feather fisted.

[erics44]

To be honest in my opinion Wlad would beat Clay , I just don't see the 15 stone Clay having the power to hurt him.
Sure Wlad would be beaten by a few of the big hitters. But for me Clay was great in his era , but no way he beats everybody in the modern era.

is this a joke? you dont need much power to hurt wlad. he may have the weakest chin out of any HW champ in history. clay/ali had a good punch. he was by no means feather fisted.

depends which sport we are talking about

at boxing i say clay/ali wins and at wrestling wlad wins