Margarito wrecked Cintron and suspicions of Steward were confirmed

[Cortez The Killer]

Any of you actually see the fight? Manny Steward wasn't actually in Cintrons corner.

Why make comments when clearly you haven't seen the fight.

Like Bilbo already pointed out, Steward was in the corner.

But thanks for the negative rep even though you were wrong.

Margarito wrecked... 04-13-2008 10:13 AM WelshDevilRob Steward wasn't in his corner!-7

Douchebag.

[Beanflicker]

LOL! Cant believe he neg repped you over that. Must have been another black yoda-lookin fellow in Cintron's corner

[LEGION]

Any of you actually see the fight? Manny Steward wasn't actually in Cintrons corner.

Why make comments when clearly you haven't seen the fight.

Like Bilbo already pointed out, Steward was in the corner.

But thanks for the negative rep even though you were wrong.

Margarito wrecked... 04-13-2008 10:13 AM WelshDevilRob Steward wasn't in his corner!-7

Douchebag.

Apparently someone else hasn't seen the fight I know I saw and heard Manny' in the corner; so what fight was WelshDevilBoob watching? I gave you some rep back buddy. That was just a dumb reason to neg rep someone

[Spicoli]

yeh, Just watched the fight for about the 5th time and Manny was definatley there, in between Instructions there he was....dabbing Kermits eyes and testing the milks warmpth on his wrist...

[El Kabong]

Manny Steward is a great trainer...you don't always have great fighters to work with.


Cintron is very talented but his psyche is fragile and his defense is horrible. He didn't look like a Kronk fighter, he didn't box, he was pulled into a brawl and Manny's fighters don't brawl, they are boxer/punchers.


I think there is more blame for Cintron than for Manny....what Manny has done with Wladimir is big Wlad had tools and skills but Manny made him a very complete fighter with a dominating jab. If Cintron is to continue his career he's going to need to listen and learn from Manny.


Margarito looks ripe for Miguel Cotto...his long arms won't help him brawling with Cotto.

[WelshDevilRob]

Any of you actually see the fight? Manny Steward wasn't actually in Cintrons corner.

Why make comments when clearly you haven't seen the fight.

Like Bilbo already pointed out, Steward was in the corner.

But thanks for the negative rep even though you were wrong.

Margarito wrecked... 04-13-2008 10:13 AM WelshDevilRob Steward wasn't in his corner!-7

Douchebag.

Apparently someone else hasn't seen the fight I know I saw and heard Manny' in the corner; so what fight was WelshDevilBoob watching? I gave you some rep back buddy. That was just a dumb reason to neg rep someone

I didn't watch the fights last night but was up early and found the download at another place. Downloaded it and watched it - no sign of Manny Steward anywhere. I even commented on another board that it was a complete repeat performance of the 1st fight.

I saw the thread on here and neg repped Cortez. Only later did it become apparent that I was the stupid one as I had actually downloaded their 1st fight.

Now I feel stupid and I still haven't seen the bloody fight.

My apologies Cortez - a genuine stupid mistake by myself. No offense meant and Positive reps coming your way all this week.

[LEGION]

Like Bilbo already pointed out, Steward was in the corner.

But thanks for the negative rep even though you were wrong.

Margarito wrecked... 04-13-2008 10:13 AM WelshDevilRob Steward wasn't in his corner!-7

Douchebag.

Apparently someone else hasn't seen the fight I know I saw and heard Manny' in the corner; so what fight was WelshDevilBoob watching? I gave you some rep back buddy. That was just a dumb reason to neg rep someone

I didn't watch the fights last night but was up early and found the download at another place. Downloaded it and watched it - no sign of Manny Steward anywhere. I even commented on another board that it was a complete repeat performance of the 1st fight.

I saw the thread on here and neg repped Cortez. Only later did it become apparent that I was the stupid one as I had actually downloaded their 1st fight.

Now I feel stupid and I still haven't seen the bloody fight.

My apologies Cortez - a genuine stupid mistake by myself. No offense meant and Positive reps coming your way all this week.

Good on you to apologize.

[Cortez The Killer]

Like Bilbo already pointed out, Steward was in the corner.

But thanks for the negative rep even though you were wrong.

Margarito wrecked... 04-13-2008 10:13 AM WelshDevilRob Steward wasn't in his corner!-7

Douchebag.

Apparently someone else hasn't seen the fight I know I saw and heard Manny' in the corner; so what fight was WelshDevilBoob watching? I gave you some rep back buddy. That was just a dumb reason to neg rep someone

I didn't watch the fights last night but was up early and found the download at another place. Downloaded it and watched it - no sign of Manny Steward anywhere. I even commented on another board that it was a complete repeat performance of the 1st fight.

I saw the thread on here and neg repped Cortez. Only later did it become apparent that I was the stupid one as I had actually downloaded their 1st fight.

Now I feel stupid and I still haven't seen the bloody fight.

My apologies Cortez - a genuine stupid mistake by myself. No offense meant and Positive reps coming your way all this week.

It's ok Welshdevil. That is kind of a funny mistake you made..

No hard feelings.


Just ignore the inflammatory pm i sent you

[Spicoli]

Manny Steward is a great trainer...you don't always have great fighters to work with.


Cintron is very talented but his psyche is fragile and his defense is horrible. He didn't look like a Kronk fighter, he didn't box, he was pulled into a brawl and Manny's fighters don't brawl, they are boxer/punchers.


I think there is more blame for Cintron than for Manny....what Manny has done with Wladimir is big Wlad had tools and skills but Manny made him a very complete fighter with a dominating jab. If Cintron is to continue his career he's going to need to listen and learn from Manny.


Margarito looks ripe for Miguel Cotto...his long arms won't help him brawling with Cotto.

Manny could have talked till he was blue in the face but it would not have mattered with Cintron.He looked uncomfortable and tentative at range and Margarito was closing on him so much he froze on the inside where his body was wrecked.

Cintrons showed some sort of toughness/stubbornness just to make into the 6th but his problems are upstairs not physical Imo.

I really think Manny was not certain of His desire.He was Imploring him almost desperately ...early on it was "walk forward" and between the 5-6 it was "you got to try to box..he has a good chin..you've got to box this round" I think he knew what was coming. Just give me Margarito Vs. Cotto NOW.

[WelshDevilRob]

Apparently someone else hasn't seen the fight I know I saw and heard Manny' in the corner; so what fight was WelshDevilBoob watching? I gave you some rep back buddy. That was just a dumb reason to neg rep someone

I didn't watch the fights last night but was up early and found the download at another place. Downloaded it and watched it - no sign of Manny Steward anywhere. I even commented on another board that it was a complete repeat performance of the 1st fight.

I saw the thread on here and neg repped Cortez. Only later did it become apparent that I was the stupid one as I had actually downloaded their 1st fight.

Now I feel stupid and I still haven't seen the bloody fight.

My apologies Cortez - a genuine stupid mistake by myself. No offense meant and Positive reps coming your way all this week.

It's ok Welshdevil. That is kind of a funny mistake you made..

No hard feelings.


Just ignore the inflammatory pm i sent you

Haha Yeh I sensed from the Pm you weren't a happy man.

The worst thing is I was watching the fight and thinking "why haven't they mentioned the 1st fight?" and kept wondering why Atlas and the other commentator were talking about "Cintrons long lay-off".
Not once did it sink in that I was watching the wrong fight.

I even posted the link I found on other sites so I dare say a few others are watching it without Manny in the corner.

[Taeth]

I still think Emanuel Steward is a one dimensional coach, who can teach only one type of fighter. Taylor almost had that make-up, but both Taylor and Cintron don't have the defense to really stand in that and pick apart the opponent with the jab. I think like somebody else said Emanuel has had the best talent to work with while guys like guys like Buddy IMO are better coaches, but they are working with guys who have limited talent or motivation. Now that Emanuel is coaching limited fighters it is easy to see why he isn't the best coach.

However being a good coach isn't about picking prospects and taking them as your own. It's about making somebody in a strong fundamentally sound fighter, like FMSR did with Floyd, and like Bouie Fisher did with Hopkins. Those are good coaches because they build their fighters. FMSR has done a great job with Guzman and ODLH... their defense is so much better since he joined their camp, and that is the only key incredients a lot of these guys need. If you ask me I think Cintron should go to Floyd Snr if he wants to become good.

[NUCLEAR BULL]

manny is still a top class trainer but has become a victim of his own success, there are many boxer who want him to train them, as a result he doesnt seem as able to do a great job anymore, also its had a snowball effect with his fighters loseing back to back and maybe the others he trains have lost fatih in his methods

he's still one of the best out there tho

[Taeth]

Another problem with Emanuel is of late he has been picking good athletes for fighters, opposed to good fighters with not just athletic ability, but heart, ability to learn new things, and that drive to succeed. I think Wlad has it, but Cintron doesn't, Taylor doesn't seem to be able to truly change his style, and Andy Lee didn't pace himself or have the heart/conditioning to stay strong later on.

[Cortez The Killer]

SO back to the topic..

I thought it was also telling that RIGHT after the Cintron fight Emanuel was on camera and then also announcing for the Cotto-Gomez fight.

When you are in the ring and taking that risk you need to have trust in your trainer. If you dont trust him you wont listen. And if you trainer is doing a billion other things, even distracted to have to get ready to announce right after your fight...how much trust can you have in a guy like Steward?

When you are getting mauled in the ring and your trainer is telling you to "box"...why doesnt Steward offer more constructive and specific advice? b/c he doesn't know his fighter and his mind is not on the match! Did he really think Cintron was going to be able to "flick" the jab all night and eventually land a monstrous right hand that would stop Margarito in his tracks? CIntron was lost from round 1 and the legendary Steward has shown once again he is becoming more and more ineffective as a trainer!

You can say it's the boxer's fault for picking Steward. But thats what I mean that Steward is just getting by on his name now and not his talent. I'm sure many boxers would benefit from a no-name trainer who has personal interest in them and a bond with them then a "designer" trainer like Steward has become.

[El Kabong]

Teath, most trainers train a style and body types and certain types of athletes fight certain styles better....ie you wouldn't train Mike Tyson like Lennox Lewis or Vitali Klitschko.


Manny has proven over the years that the tall, slender, and athletic fighters use his style best: Hearns, Lewis, McClellan, Wlad, McCallum, etc.


Look at who Kevin Rooney trains and tell me he doesn't go for a stereotypical kind of fighter...or McGirt or Roach or anyone else.