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    Default Re: What the fuck is up with Obama's church?!?

    so when is the general election (isit called that in the states?) happening?! and whats the general feel on it...i gathered Bush is as good as fucked off outta there....so who does it look like is going to take control??

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    Quote Originally Posted by cockey cockney View Post
    so when is the general election (isit called that in the states?) happening?! and whats the general feel on it...i gathered Bush is as good as fucked off outta there....so who does it look like is going to take control??
    Bush has already served two terms, which is unbelievable, so he is not allowed to run again. It's between McCain (Rep) and Obama (Dem).

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    any indications on whose favourite atm mate? and when exactly does this take place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cockey cockney View Post
    any indications on whose favourite atm mate? and when exactly does this take place?
    I believe it takes place in early Nov., but I could be wrong. I'm not sure if there is a favorite at this point. Obviously the real battle is for the independent/undecided voters, as well as those who don't normally vote, as Republicans almost always vote for the Republican and Democrats almost always vote for the Democrat. Honestly, I think they're both shit, but if I was an American, which I'm not, I would vote for Obama because McCain represents the old guard of US politics, which quite frankly disgusts me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFH View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by cockey cockney View Post
    any indications on whose favourite atm mate? and when exactly does this take place?
    I believe it takes place in early Nov., but I could be wrong. I'm not sure if there is a favorite at this point. Obviously the real battle is for the independent/undecided voters, as well as those who don't normally vote, as Republicans almost always vote for the Republican and Democrats almost always vote for the Democrat. Honestly, I think they're both shit, but if I was an American, which I'm not, I would vote for Obama because McCain represents the old guard of US politics, which quite frankly disgusts me.
    got to be honest here and say i know very little about American politics....so i cant relate to this Old Guard politics you speak of? What is meant by that? Obama supports the same football (Soccer) team as me lol....apparently got introduced to them on a trip to Britain and had a soft spot for them ever since!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cockey cockney View Post
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    any indications on whose favourite atm mate? and when exactly does this take place?
    I believe it takes place in early Nov., but I could be wrong. I'm not sure if there is a favorite at this point. Obviously the real battle is for the independent/undecided voters, as well as those who don't normally vote, as Republicans almost always vote for the Republican and Democrats almost always vote for the Democrat. Honestly, I think they're both shit, but if I was an American, which I'm not, I would vote for Obama because McCain represents the old guard of US politics, which quite frankly disgusts me.
    got to be honest here and say i know very little about American politics....so i cant relate to this Old Guard politics you speak of? What is meant by that? Obama supports the same football (Soccer) team as me lol....apparently got introduced to them on a trip to Britain and had a soft spot for them ever since!
    By old guard I just meant more of the same (though it is not confined only to the Republican party). I actually don't think McCain would be that bad of a President, when compared to the Bushes or Reagan.
    From what I have seen, Obama promises a great deal of change, such as health-care, a more liberal agenda, different foreign policy etc., though he'd never use the word liberal as it would be political suicide. However, so far he has been very light on the specific details. I think McCain will win, and honestly he's probably more qualified to run the country, I just like the concept of change promoted by Obama. In reality, whoever wins will likely effect very little real change in the political process.

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    same old same.....politics these days no matter where they are, will be exactly the same. IE two main parties fighting it out...withvery little scope for really significant movements ie Old Labour and Tory in the old days could enforce real changes which just are not possible anymore, the middle ground is what wins elections now, parties have recognised this and have moulded there policies to fit is the sad truth of it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cockey cockney View Post
    same old same.....politics these days no matter where they are, will be exactly the same. IE two main parties fighting it out...withvery little scope for really significant movements ie Old Labour and Tory in the old days could enforce real changes which just are not possible anymore, the middle ground is what wins elections now, parties have recognised this and have moulded there policies to fit is the sad truth of it!
    No doubt about that. We have 4 major parties here, with a 5th on the rise. At times one of them has had the stated goal of breaking up the country (well, putting it to a referendum) and it only represents the wishes of one province.
    In reality though, only 2 of the parties have a real chance at getting elected, and one of the (the Liberals) hold office the vast majority of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFH View Post
    This from someone who supports the Republican ethos .
    Pretty much every American President from the Civil War onwards has meddled in the affairs of other sovereign nations. Not that it makes it right. So I assume by your comments about the Shah that you would rather Iran have been run by a ultra-nationalist, anti-imperialist (ie anti-American)?
    I'm still hoping someone in the Middle East is a rational leader

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    Just because an Arab leader doesn't say or do the things you want don't mean they're irrational. I'm not by any means an expert on him but for King Hussein of Jordan to have survived as long as he did with all the problems he had to deal with, he must have been pretty rational. Even Ahmininejad (one of these days I'm gonna learn how to spell that) is just playing to the crowd, at least partly.

    McCain has a boring problem. He's just flat out boring. I know that's not something that should make or break a candidacy, it should be about more important things, but it doesn't help. I just couldn't get through his whole speech last night, it was just dire. And this morning again, he's just boring. That monotone, the way he chooses his words, spit it out man and move on.

    Hillary's speech last night was comic genius.

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    All Middle Eastern leaders are rational.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    All Middle Eastern leaders are rational.
    ....yeah, I'm gonna have to disagree with that and suggest you seek mental help

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    All Middle Eastern leaders are rational.
    ....yeah, I'm gonna have to disagree with that and suggest you seek mental help
    Which ones are irrational?

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    Ahmadinijad, al-Otari, The Saudi's, Abbas....basically all of them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    Ahmadinijad, al-Otari, The Saudi's, Abbas....basically all of them
    Ahmadinejad doesn't rule Iran, the clerics do, it's a theocracy, remember? Ahmadinejad runs the country, the clerics rule the nation, and they're plenty rational. They certainly outsmarted dumbass George Bush in Iraq, didn't they?

    In what way are the Saudis irrational? Or Abbas? Otari is a placeman for the Assad family, who again are plenty rational. What do these guys do that's irrational?

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