Roy Jones Jr vs Joe Calzaghe A Disgraceful Fight.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

Calzaghe showboats when he's in the zone. When he's not in the zone he doesn't showboat. Calzaghe was using his showboating to dishearten a showboater.

[Bx730NY]

Coming from you i would except this kind of response, especially how much of a Joe Calzaghe fan boy you are. And how you disrespected Bernard Hopkins in your other thread. Where you got told by many members how much of a stupid post it was.

My eye for boxing not as good as i think ? who the hell are you some sort of god ? your little know it all and you think you know the lot but you actually don't know nowhere near as much as you think you do.

I think i know more boxing than you ever know, i've been following boxing for over 10 years im also an Amateur boxer. And i come from a good boxing family, and i've learnt many things. From my Grandad/Uncles ETC.

RJJ showboated in the past but to the extent at what Joe Calzaghe was doing. Was just damn right ridiculous and disrespectful to a legend like RJJ, Joe Calzaghe done it for almost the entire fight in every round.

I give Joe Calzaghe no real credit for beating a fighter, who hasn't had a stoppage win since 2002. And has been a shot fighter for atleast 7 years. And if you read my other posts i said this before in Bilbo's thread.

You know what? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt because it's still the night of the fight and I can understand you're angry but, if you're still talking this reckless a few days from today then you are a true hater.

I'm not biased toward any fighter. I'm Puertorican so no one can say I'm all into my hometown guys. Joe is a special fighter that I truly appreciate getting a chance to see. This is a guy that makes the best adjustments in the business and he's come back from 2 first round Knockdowns to win convincingly unless you're a Roy or hopkins gan or just a Joe hater.

Calzaghe P4P #1

I never said Joe Calzaghe wasn't a great fighter, i was actually more disappointed with RJJ than Joe Calzaghe. RJJ showed no desire or ETC to win the fight, and Joe Calzaghe's taunting was just ridiculous.

I've personally never seen a fighter taunt that much in one fight, not even Muhammad Ali.

I give Joe Calzaghe credit for beating Mikkel Kessler, Bernard Hopkins, Chris Eubank ETC. And i think especially in the Mikkel Kessler and Chris Eubank fights he looked great.

And even though i feel Bernard Hopkins may of beaten Joe Calzaghe by one point. I still think Joe Calzaghe done well considering Bernard Hopkins still has alot left in the tank.

I think people are misunderstanding me im just disappointed with everything regarding the fight. The hype ETC, even though i knew RJJ was shot i thought he would atleast try and win, and let it all hang out.

But he didn't after the first couple of rounds he was there just to survive. And Joe Calzaghe was just constantly taunting, that at times it did look like a glorified sparring session.

Im very disappointed with both fighters, and thats not to say Joe Calzaghe isn't a great fighter he done his job and won, no arguments but im still very disappointed, and i hope i've made my point more clear now.

I understand your point but you're talking about one 2 of the best two fighters of our generation and I feel like I witnessed a hell of a fight regardless of their age. Both guys fought clean and there's no controversy and that's very important to see in a fight of this magnitude.

The showboating was started by Jones and Joe kept it going. I've seen Roy show out plenty times in his career so I don't understand what the big deal is with a guy having some fun in what was probably gonna be the last 12 rounds of an illustrious career.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

And unlike the hopkins fight, this fight was fought clean with very few clinches. That's how all fights should be fought. Roy showed heart if not anything else tonight.

[Rantcatrat]

Joe is a great fighter even if it was a shell of the prime RJJ, Calzaghe still schooled him. At the end of the match he gave Roy his due and was classy about it. Joe doesn't need to prove anything. You may not like his style, but what he does, he does best.

[intoccabile]

Hopkins made Calzaghe look silly, Calzaghe couldn't land a damn thing against him, and Hopkins still had the reflexes to counter Joe with left hooks and right hands.

Calzaghe is a great fighter, he gets credit for that, but he fought guys way past their prime then he is. I said from the begining out of the three big fights coming up (Cazlaghe-jones, Hopkins-Pavlik, De La Hoya- Pacquaio), this was the biggest mismatch if we all saw it how did Joe do anything anybody didn't expect?

Also Bx70Ny, if you knew half as much as you think you do you would see that Joe didn't need to figure anything out, ROy didn't do anything. He landed when he threw punches as often as Joe did, but he hardly threw anything, Joe had difficulty landing cleanly for a lot of it, and he didn't prove anything with this fight except that he is pretty fast.

In fact largely Joe's whole style I don't even feel is all that much boxing, my brother who doesn't know much about boxing thought it looked like point sparring, because thats how he punches. I give him all the credit in the world for getting away with it, when I can't see anybody else getting away with it, but if thats all you have then you are in trouble agaisnt Roy Jones Jr or Hopkins or Toney in their prime.

Markus is being a complete douche bag.

In a a rematch Calzaghe would destroy Hopkins AND YET you would still get tools like you saying "But he didnt fight Dawson"

Who moderates these boards?

Are you an idiot?
Styles make fights and Hopkins is too elusive to ever be "destroyed" Joe couldn't finish a on the ropes zero offense shot fighter in Jones who didn't even "evade" shots. How on earth does he "demolish" a game Hopkins who already know he has to be more aggressive against Joe now.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

No matter how bad i want to see hopkins knocked out. I have come to realize that there ain't nobody that's gonna do it now. he has to be one of the best defensive fighters ever. He has to be right up there with "will 'o the wisp".

[Taeth]

I don't think he quite as hard to hit as Floyd Mayweather, but Bernard is a better inside fighter, and I think he is sneakier with that right hand.

[intoccabile]

I don't think he quite as hard to hit as Floyd Mayweather, but Bernard is a better inside fighter, and I think he is sneakier with that right hand.

I think he's harder to hit. Bhop can slip, force misses, and step around punches.
PBFs strong point is his rolling. Floyd parries and blocks alot of oncoming punches and rolls straights.

Bhop would rather not get hit at all whereas floyd wil take a shot in the arm or glove.

With bhop its like hitting wind and nothing but wind, then you are grabbed when you finally have a chance to connect.

With floyd.. You land punches that are rolled off his gloves and shoulders..but atleast you hit something lol.

[Taeth]

I will reiterate, Floyd is harder to hit cleanly. I think they have similar level of skill but Floyd is a better athlete with a little quicker reflexes p4p.

[intoccabile]

I will reiterate, Floyd is harder to hit cleanly. I think they have similar level of skill but Floyd is a better athlete with a little quicker reflexes p4p.

cant argue with that.
haven't seen anyone with floyds reflexes in a long time.

What makes floyd so great on top of that is he is a text book fighter.
He does everything by the book for the most part. And his offense doesn't consist of
combinations. He throws 1 punch at a time. There's always a pause in his combination.
He looks for the immediate opening before throwing another punch.. he's pretty brilliant.

[Spicoli]

Jones did what he could with what he had left at this point of career.It really is that simple and their is nothing disgraceful about it!!He displayed great heart.To have expected him to reinvent himself and deny his many years is asking the impossible.

[Althugz]

I honestly couldn't watch it all, it was like i was watching a glorifed sparring session. And a dancing show all at once, first off RJJ's performance uhh where the hell was it ?

He would just throw single punches all the time, and just allow Joe Calzaghe too hold his hands down when he is 2 inches away from him. I was screaming at the screen just bloody hit him RJJ for goodness sake.

Joe Calzaghe was so wide open i can't believe RJJ didn't take those openings, and secondly all of Joe Calzaghes taunting was just ridiculous. It was like watching a clown in the ring, he done it in every round and in every minute of the round.

And the action was like a sparring session, RJJ would hit Joe Calzaghe with single punches every now and again. And then Joe Calzaghe would come wadding in landing mostly slapping punches to the body.

This may sound like sour grapes but im very disappointed, in both boxers. RJJ didn't even try to win the fight after the 1st round, and Joe Calzaghe's constant taunting dancing whatever you want to call it. Was just ridiculous to watch, this fight was not a good fight for boxing at all a disgrace IMO.

You beat me to making this thread. I'm glad I wasn't the only person utterly sickened by both of their performances in this fight.

I feel like a mug for ever thinking up all of the possible scenario's that could happen in this fight when Roy clearly had the fight mapped out from the day he signed the contract.

JC is also the most unlikable piece of shit in and out of the ring. His arrogance is delusional and I felt nauseous by the shit he pulled in this fight with no response from Jones who seemed to just find it funny that he was getting the piss taken out of him.

I wish he took his legacy more seriously because he could have scalped Calzaghe tonight the way he fought those first 2 rounds...in fact he could have done him in one because Calzaghe was gasping for air when he was knocked down.

I feel so mugged off by this fight...by both Jones and JC. More dissapointed in Jones because I really believed he was hungry for his one last roll of the dice. He just didn't want to know.

I don't care if I get accused of sour grapes but Calzaghe has gone even lower in my estimation and this just proved to me how easy a prime RJ would have had it. RJ deserved to lose tonight though for the lack of respect he had for himself and his legacy. They can both go fuck themselves for making me stay up for this farce.

[Greig]

Man there is a lot of sour grapes on this thread.

Seriously, what did you expect?


This fight was about dollars from day one.

For Roy, redundancy money - for Joe, one last pay per view extravaganza.

[Kev]

Neg. rep for the fanboy response. How about addressing some of the seemingly valid points he made?

Was a great fight until the 6th. Then Roy was badly cut and beat up yet still fought. This goon said it was a sparring session?

Yes that comment is "Cock" worthy.

Now, without the childish insults, that's a somewhat justifiable position to have. I don't agree, I thought is was an ok fight initially, then I just found it depressing (no, I'm not a Jones fan, but Calzaghe was clearly beating up the shadow of what RJJ once was and his showboating was obnoxious and disrespectful).

Hey Josh, you know you're my boy but how was what Calzaghe was doing any less respectful than Jones when he did it?

Roy Jones entrire career in his prime is one long highlight of those kind of antics.

Calzaghe was making a point that he could outflash Roy Jones.

People arn't giving Calzaghe nearly enough credit for this win, not only did he beat Roy Jones, but he was faster, slicker, he outboxed him, he totally dominated him.

Yes he showboated and yes Jones was not in his prime but Jones did that to lesser fighters than him his whole career.

And watching Jones in this fight and his later career has got me wondering what would have happened if he would have fought a prime Calzaghe.

I really think Calzaghe has a stronger will than Roy Jones. In his prime Jones never got close to being hit and hurt, being stood up to. I think he might always have responded like this when faced with a beating. He's an amazing fighter no question one of the best ever, but he doesn't have, and has never had imo a true warrior's heart like Calzaghe has. Calzaghe would always have been a problem for him.

Last night's fight is a good example.

I guarantee if the roles were reversed and Calzaghe had been badly cut and was getting completely outboxed he wouldn't have sought to survive like Jones did. Taking nothing away from Jones he took a real beating and stood up to the end, but his mindset was to make it to the finish.

Calzaghe in the same situation I believe would have made it do or die and just gone toe to toe around the 6th or 7th round and either got knocked out or else turned the fight around.

He's a real warrior and is willing to go out on his shield in a way few other boxers are.

I mean he was clearly really rocked by Jones in the first round, I initially thought he might not make it out of the round.

But his instinct wasn't to cover up, to survive, even to be more careful and fight defensively, a reaction that virtually every other fighter would have.

Instead he did the exact opposite, he dropped his hands stuck his head through the guard of Jones, goaded him into hitting him again and then beat Jones at his own game, completely breaking Jones' will.

I know it wasn't a prime Roy Jones, but it doesn't change the fact that Calzaghe imposed himself physically and mentally on him and literally through his showboating and antics brokoe Jones spirit.

I thought it was an awesome performance from Calzaghe.

The knockdown in some ways enhances it almost becuase he responded from it so well. There is no self doubt in Calzaghe at all, none.

When Pavlik had trouble in the first two round against Hopkins he seemingly gave up and resigned himself to defeat. He had no will in him to try and wrest the fight away from Hopkins. It was like he suddenly bottled it realising he was fighting the great Bernard Hopkins.

But Calzaghe even from a worse start doesn't entertain doubt for an instant. When he got put down it just gives him an air of defiance. He came back and started goading Jones, dropping his hands and completely dominated him. This is a man who just does not know how to lose.

When you look at his career now I think he's as good as Marciano. He's got that ethic, he just won't quit.

[bambamdaddio]

I honestly couldn't watch it all, it was like i was watching a glorifed sparring session. And a dancing show all at once, first off RJJ's performance uhh where the hell was it ?

He would just throw single punches all the time, and just allow Joe Calzaghe too hold his hands down when he is 2 inches away from him. I was screaming at the screen just bloody hit him RJJ for goodness sake.

Joe Calzaghe was so wide open i can't believe RJJ didn't take those openings, and secondly all of Joe Calzaghes taunting was just ridiculous. It was like watching a clown in the ring, he done it in every round and in every minute of the round.

And the action was like a sparring session, RJJ would hit Joe Calzaghe with single punches every now and again. And then Joe Calzaghe would come wadding in landing mostly slapping punches to the body.

This may sound like sour grapes but im very disappointed, in both boxers. RJJ didn't even try to win the fight after the 1st round, and Joe Calzaghe's constant taunting dancing whatever you want to call it. Was just ridiculous to watch, this fight was not a good fight for boxing at all a disgrace IMO.

You beat me to making this thread. I'm glad I wasn't the only person utterly sickened by both of their performances in this fight.

I feel like a mug for ever thinking up all of the possible scenario's that could happen in this fight when Roy clearly had the fight mapped out from the day he signed the contract.

JC is also the most unlikable piece of shit in and out of the ring. His arrogance is delusional and I felt nauseous by the shit he pulled in this fight with no response from Jones who seemed to just find it funny that he was getting the piss taken out of him.

I wish he took his legacy more seriously because he could have scalped Calzaghe tonight the way he fought those first 2 rounds...in fact he could have done him in one because Calzaghe was gasping for air when he was knocked down.

I feel so mugged off by this fight...by both Jones and JC. More dissapointed in Jones because I really believed he was hungry for his one last roll of the dice. He just didn't want to know.

I don't care if I get accused of sour grapes but Calzaghe has gone even lower in my estimation and this just proved to me how easy a prime RJ would have had it. RJ deserved to lose tonight though for the lack of respect he had for himself and his legacy. They can both go fuck themselves for making me stay up for this farce.

Just utter crap...