Gives me great pleasure to say this** IMO**

[Youngblood]

Fair enough but dont suggest I'm foolish because you dont share the same opinion I have.. Nothing you can say will change my mind either

Where did I say you were foolish? I merely agreed with Missy (which pains me more than you will ever know) who said that this didn't mean that PBF should be considered P4P #1.

you're off the BJ list

saaaweeeet. I'm finally bumped up a notch!

[TheMacMagician]

P4P is pure mythical crap, come on. Lets have Floyd as a good old, lineal Welterweight champ. That means he needs to beat Cotto, Mosely and Berto, end of........ PBF would starch PAC, let get back to some real competetive fights for the lad shall we...... If he's so great like he spouts off to be, he'd fight a fair competetive fights. The weight for this fight was farcical.

Just to add, fighting Paul Williams would absolve him of a fight with all three of the above. Bet you PBF don't have the balls to fight him for sure.....

[rjj tszyu]

Without doubt. He left as clear number 1 he came back, he fought and he conquered a true modern day great. People are getting on about all the natural advantages and weight and blah blah blah. What about the fact he hadn't fought for 2 years? Surely that wasn't an advantage for him?

For me the best fighter P4P since a prime Roy Jones and they are very close, maybe Roy had the better, faster combos but on the flipside Floyd's defence will still work when his speed diminishes whereas Roy learned the hard way that when his speed went his unorthodoxy was his downfall! That time still has to come for Floyd but I don't see him suffering the heavy KO's Roy did!

[Kel]

P4P is pure mythical crap, come on. Lets have Floyd as a good old, lineal Welterweight champ. That means he needs to beat Cotto, Mosely and Berto, end of........ PBF would starch PAC, let get back to some real competetive fights for the lad shall we...... If he's so great like he spouts off to be, he'd fight a fair competetive fights. The weight for this fight was farcical.

Just to add, fighting Paul Williams would absolve him of a fight with all three of the above. Bet you PBF don't have the balls to fight him for sure.....

Yeah I'm with you, he beat a lightweight as a Welterweight woohoo, I fell asleep so missed the fight but I'm surprised as hell he could not stop him.

[Majesty]

P4P is pure mythical crap, come on. Lets have Floyd as a good old, lineal Welterweight champ. That means he needs to beat Cotto, Mosely and Berto, end of........ PBF would starch PAC, let get back to some real competetive fights for the lad shall we...... If he's so great like he spouts off to be, he'd fight a fair competetive fights. The weight for this fight was farcical.

Just to add, fighting Paul Williams would absolve him of a fight with all three of the above. Bet you PBF don't have the balls to fight him for sure.....

Yeah I'm with you, he beat a lightweight as a Welterweight woohoo, I fell asleep so missed the fight but I'm surprised as hell he could not stop him.

If you look at the styles. Marquez only landed about 75 punches the fight maybe more. And that had nothing to do with Mayweathers weight. At a lesser weight Floyd would be quicker and faster. Fact is he outquicked and outboxed Marquez. Marquez couldn't find him anywhere in the ring and if you think that it had anything to do with Mayweathers weight it would be delusional.

[leftylee]

Just like DLH-Pac was soooooooooo signifigant?

What does that have to do with anything? Pac did not become the consensus P4P #1 based on that fight. Both fights were impressive victories, but Mayweather, in some respects, did what was expected; Pacquiao was expected to lose to ODH. Mayweather fought a great fight tonight, I was very impressed and I have dedicated a large amount of my posts tonight to defending and lauding him. However, what he did tonight in no way diminishes or surpasses Pacquaio's recent accomplishments in my opinion. I think PBF is the better fight but that Pac is more deserving of being P4P #1 at the moment (which just goes to show you how utterly useless and subjective P4P lists are).

Pac scavenged Floyds scraps, the facts are the facts man

Floyd fought and beat a fresher younger DLH at 154 giving up every advantage including glove type, ring size etc...

Manny beat a corpse of DLH

Floyd punished and KO'D a fresh hungry undefeated Hatton.

Pac KO'D beat a dented version who clearly wasnt the same physically or mentally.

Floyd just destroyed a guy Pac went life and death with 2x... Before anyone jumps on the weight train come fight night Pac weighed about 147 for their contest last time out..

De La Hoya was hardly "Fresh" going into the Mayweather fight. He was 34 years old and had fought 6 rounds in a year and 3 fights in 3 years. His stamina was poor and he faded in the fight. De La Hoya was done when Floyd got to him.

If Hatton was fresher in any fight it would have been the Pacquiao fight. He was fighting with a better trainer and at 140 pounds. Hatton never has and never will be a welterweight. Pacquiao KO'd him in 2 rounds at his best weight. Mayweather took 10 and Hatton weren't even at his natural fighting weight.

Pacquiao fought Marquez at the BEST weight available. And won both fights on the judges scorecards and knocked him down 4 times over the 2 fights. Floyd beat a bulked up Marquuez with a 4 pound weight advantage. Marquez was the smaller man and shouldn't have been fighting at that weight.

Your saying "Don't bring up the weight". King of contradicting yourself as you're bringing up weight issues yourself.

[ono]

FLOYD MAYWEATHER PFP#1 again baby.. I dont want to hear the size bullshit baby, Pac weighed more for there fights at 130...

To me it was the defense and footwork and skill on a level this generation hasnt seen. Marquez was wiped out didnt win a second of a round.

That's a stupid thing to say.


People WERE criticising this match up the same as pac-cotto.
He did look good-was anyone really surprised by that?

Agreed. Mayweather is number 2 (like P4P lists mean jack shit) until he beats a more viable opponent. That being said, I do think he beats Mosley/Pacquiao or whoever else he fights next.

Cotto - Pac is a much more competitive and important fight than Mayweather - Marquez, though PBF was extremely impressive in his victory tonight.

Mayweather is not number 2.

[TheMacMagician]

P4P is pure mythical crap, come on. Lets have Floyd as a good old, lineal Welterweight champ. That means he needs to beat Cotto, Mosely and Berto, end of........ PBF would starch PAC, let get back to some real competetive fights for the lad shall we...... If he's so great like he spouts off to be, he'd fight a fair competetive fights. The weight for this fight was farcical.

Just to add, fighting Paul Williams would absolve him of a fight with all three of the above. Bet you PBF don't have the balls to fight him for sure.....

Yeah I'm with you, he beat a lightweight as a Welterweight woohoo, I fell asleep so missed the fight but I'm surprised as hell he could not stop him.

If you look at the styles. Marquez only landed about 75 punches the fight maybe more. And that had nothing to do with Mayweathers weight. At a lesser weight Floyd would be quicker and faster. Fact is he outquicked and outboxed Marquez. Marquez couldn't find him anywhere in the ring and if you think that it had anything to do with Mayweathers weight it would be delusional.

You have a point, but Marquez was that small he really couldn't get close never mind get inside atall. It kinda reminded me of Darchinyan vs Burgos. Burgos being a good fighter, but just couldn't get anywhere near Vic due the the reach and size advantage..... I still say floyd should have put the lights out.

[Mao's Favourite Starling]

imo P4P is nonsense anyway! it's bollocks pure and simple! In one weight division you can maybe use it as a guage but.....

the whole premise is pound (English Sterling pound, as in £) per pound (in weight of fighter)


How the hell can you try and compare the likes of PBF, Pac & Cotto to the big lumps like the Klitsch's, Valuev etc!

'Oh yeah Vitali would destroy PBF with one jab!'

'But Vitali wouldn't be able to catch Floyd'

I hate the p4p tag, it means nowt to me and it has only come into such popular usage over the past few years with the actions of..... quel suprise 'moneys' promoters

[Kel]

P4P is pure mythical crap, come on. Lets have Floyd as a good old, lineal Welterweight champ. That means he needs to beat Cotto, Mosely and Berto, end of........ PBF would starch PAC, let get back to some real competetive fights for the lad shall we...... If he's so great like he spouts off to be, he'd fight a fair competetive fights. The weight for this fight was farcical.

Just to add, fighting Paul Williams would absolve him of a fight with all three of the above. Bet you PBF don't have the balls to fight him for sure.....

Yeah I'm with you, he beat a lightweight as a Welterweight woohoo, I fell asleep so missed the fight but I'm surprised as hell he could not stop him.

If you look at the styles. Marquez only landed about 75 punches the fight maybe more. And that had nothing to do with Mayweathers weight. At a lesser weight Floyd would be quicker and faster. Fact is he outquicked and outboxed Marquez. Marquez couldn't find him anywhere in the ring and if you think that it had anything to do with Mayweathers weight it would be delusional.

He was too small and too weak to make an impact in the fight, sounds like Floyd played it safe if he just kept him at range I'll have to download this farce later on.

[DatsiK]

I don't get what the issue is with Floyd beating Marquez.. yet Pacquiao beating DLH is okay?

Either way you look at it.. Floyd still has the better resume and at the end of the day is STILL unbeaten, so #1 P4P is the only place you could possibly place him.

[ono]

P4P is pure mythical crap, come on. Lets have Floyd as a good old, lineal Welterweight champ. That means he needs to beat Cotto, Mosely and Berto, end of........ PBF would starch PAC, let get back to some real competetive fights for the lad shall we...... If he's so great like he spouts off to be, he'd fight a fair competetive fights. The weight for this fight was farcical.

Just to add, fighting Paul Williams would absolve him of a fight with all three of the above. Bet you PBF don't have the balls to fight him for sure.....

Why would he fight Paul Williams. He filled half an arena against Winky. What would he make from fighting Williams?

He's either going to get Pac/Cotto or Mosley. And he'll beat all 3. Williams would be tough but he doesn't sell tickets. High risk, low reward fight. I'd like to see it, but it's not happening and i don't blame Floyd. it doesn't make business sense. Besides, after he beat him there would be 15 threads about how he wouldn't beat Berto.

[Majesty]

Yeah I'm with you, he beat a lightweight as a Welterweight woohoo, I fell asleep so missed the fight but I'm surprised as hell he could not stop him.

If you look at the styles. Marquez only landed about 75 punches the fight maybe more. And that had nothing to do with Mayweathers weight. At a lesser weight Floyd would be quicker and faster. Fact is he outquicked and outboxed Marquez. Marquez couldn't find him anywhere in the ring and if you think that it had anything to do with Mayweathers weight it would be delusional.

He was too small and too weak to make an impact in the fight, sounds like Floyd played it safe if he just kept him at range I'll have to download this farce later on.

No he didn't. He showed Marquez something Marquez wasn't expecting. A jab. He jabbed Marquez all night and Marquez just couldn't avoid the leaping left hook, Floyd showed great timing and defense and presented Marquez with a style he just couldn't figure out. Marquez couldn't land anything and when he went back in the corner he would put his hands on his lips like "Alright how the heck do I beat this guy" It is the first time I've seen Marquez this befuddled and confused with another fighter. Mayweathers speed was a great factor, but unlike Pacquiao Mayweather was the one timing Marquez when people thought it could be the other way around if Marquez had a chance. It was a brilliant performance. Floyd landed nearly 60 percent of his punches and Marquez landed maybe 12 percent of his. That had nothing to do with the weight. Even if they were the same weight class Marquez landed nothing that would have ever hurt Mayweather, he barely landed anything at all and he was trying but even with his combinations Floyd wasn't getting hit. He was just too skillful for Marquez and that would have been the case at any weight

[Mao's Favourite Starling]

sounds like Floyd played it safe if he just kept him at range I'll have to download this farce later on.

When you find a link, please post!

My fu&*ng Sky+ wont record box-office

[Jesse James]

I'm not saying weight was the only factor, but it definitely was A factor. Sure, Floyd outboxed him, but when was the last time we have seen Marquez so cautious and gun shy? He was clearly hesitant to let his hands go because he was wary of the bigger man's power. He looked completely intimidated by Floyd's size advantage if you ask me.