Boxing is back big time.

[0james0]

I believe the most buys for a heavyweight fight came in the Tyson vs Holyfield 2 fight 10 or so years ago.

Not only was it one of the most popular fights ever, it was also the one where he bit Holyfields ear off. Watched by about 2m people!

I think Lewis Tyson is next, then Tyson vs Holyfield 1.

Oddly, Tyson vs Mcneeley comes in next. Yeah, Tyson vs ? He knocked him out in about 2 minutes, I even remember watching it. It was so big because it was tysons return to the ring after going in jail.

[ElTerribleMorales]

OK, I guess you have free reign to compare David Haye to Jesus if you like fellas, have fun with all that.

You motherfuckers are getting on my last nerve "Oh Lyle stop it, I'm tired of everytime someone wants to legitimately compare David Haye to the second coming of Mike Tyson or Jack Dempsey you have to go and try to correct them! GOD Lyle that gets so annoying what with you trying to base your arguments in reality...why don't you just give it a rest already"....why don't you guys grow the fuck up?

Have fun worshipping David Haye, I will vow right GOD DAMN now not to post anything about him even if I am specifically asked, that's how fed up I am with all of your bullshit.....I will not mention him until after only either Wlad or Vitali have beaten him, not if Ruiz beats him, not if he wins the Nobel Peace Prize, not if he cures cancer, only if Wlad or Vitali beats him, and I'll throw this in there only if they stop him in the fight, decisions don't count and when that day comes you guys are going to hate life because I'll hound every last fucking one of you about YOUR BOY losing until your eyes bleed.

i can't stand David Haye and yet i don't bitch half as much about him as you do, yea he's garbage and not anywhere as good as most his fans think he is and make him out to be, but he does have a following, and quite a big one at that, don't know why you hate his fans so much cause you're not too different, you say Ali wasn't all that amazing yet try to make Wlad to be a god, give it a rest, this is a BOXING forum, not a i love Wlad nor i HATE HAYE forum, you, Lefty, and Xadu should unite cause honestly you got a lot in common...

[0james0]

David Haye might not beat a Klitschko, but I'm always going to back a guy that wants to beat them!

Especially one with a genuine chance of getting a result if on his best form.

[Memphis]

I love it

Someone posts that the Haye Valuev fight and the Cotto Pac fight have got people talking and Lyle winds up crying into his grits.

The fucker would go on a killing spree if anyone ACTUALLY said that Haye was the second coming.

[El Kabong]

I love it

Someone posts that the Haye Valuev fight and the Cotto Pac fight have got people talking and Lyle winds up crying into his grits.

The fucker would go on a killing spree if anyone ACTUALLY said that Haye was the second coming.

It's called hyperbole you cocksucker

[ElTerribleMorales]

I love it

Someone posts that the Haye Valuev fight and the Cotto Pac fight have got people talking and Lyle winds up crying into his grits.

The fucker would go on a killing spree if anyone ACTUALLY said that Haye was the second coming.

it's not his fault that he's suffering from fanboyism, it's quite sad really

[El Kabong]

it's not his fault that he's suffering from fanboyism, it's quite sad really

I was right about Sam Peter and I'll be right about this.

As for your misinterpretation of my comments about Ali....I merely say that Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano have actual RECORDS and Ali does not. And yes I do realize he MAY have acheived more had he not had the draft dodging incident BUT Ted Williams may have been the greatest baseball player EVER but he fought in 2 wars which affected his numbers and thereby affected his standing in the history of the game, that is sad but it's reality.

Joe Louis 25 successful title defenses
Rocky Marciano 49-0-0

If we don't recognize the greatness of those acheivements then we're missing out on a big part of boxing history. Ali was talented as hell, but he holds no records and by that rational I have to elevate Louis' and Rocky's standings in MY All-Time Great Heavyweights list.

I simply disagree with you and then you act like I'm just shitting all over Ali's entire career why? I don't know...maybe it's because I found the way Ali acted as a person to be dispicable and maybe it's because I don't fully buy the celebrity hype that surrounds Ali just because of his brashness and political views, to break it down plain and simple I LOOK AT ALI THE BOXER WHEN I AM COMPARING HIM TO OTHER BOXERS. I don't look at his attitude or the fact he's one of the more famous fighters of all time and I think other people don't do that.

And why the hell do you bring up Ali in a thread not about Ali?....oh I'm sorry that reasoning only seems to carry weight when someone tries to use it against me.

[ElTerribleMorales]

it's not his fault that he's suffering from fanboyism, it's quite sad really

I was right about Sam Peter and I'll be right about this.

As for your misinterpretation of my comments about Ali....I merely say that Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano have actual RECORDS and Ali does not. And yes I do realize he MAY have acheived more had he not had the draft dodging incident BUT Ted Williams may have been the greatest baseball player EVER but he fought in 2 wars which affected his numbers and thereby affected his standing in the history of the game, that is sad but it's reality.

Joe Louis 25 successful title defenses
Rocky Marciano 49-0-0

If we don't recognize the greatness of those acheivements then we're missing out on a big part of boxing history. Ali was talented as hell, but he holds no records and by that rational I have to elevate Louis' and Rocky's standings in MY All-Time Great Heavyweights list.

I simply disagree with you and then you act like I'm just shitting all over Ali's entire career why? I don't know...maybe it's because I found the way Ali acted as a person to be dispicable and maybe it's because I don't fully buy the celebrity hype that surrounds Ali just because of his brashness and political views, to break it down plain and simple I LOOK AT ALI THE BOXER WHEN I AM COMPARING HIM TO OTHER BOXERS. I don't look at his attitude or the fact he's one of the more famous fighters of all time and I think other people don't do that.

And why the hell do you bring up Ali in a thread not about Ali?....oh I'm sorry that reasoning only seems to carry weight when someone tries to use it against me.

i bring it up to show your ignorance and how much of a hypocrite you can be, you bash all the Haye nuthuggers yet you're the same thing, only thing is you do it for Wlad, Louis has the 25 defenses over mainly weak opposition and Marciano made a career out of knocking out has been contenders, Ali became the first man to become 3 time HW champ, Louis never regained the title after losing it period, and if we're gonna go by actual fight records, Ali's is a step above the rest, but back to the main topic, and it's the last one i'm putting on here cause you're too thick to ever be wrong , yes Haye sucks, but he still puts butts in seats, therefore making him a popular fighter, is it really that hard for you to accept or understand?

[Memphis]

I love it

Someone posts that the Haye Valuev fight and the Cotto Pac fight have got people talking and Lyle winds up crying into his grits.

The fucker would go on a killing spree if anyone ACTUALLY said that Haye was the second coming.

It's called hyperbole you cocksucker

What is? What you say, or what others say?

In this instance it isnt is it, people are talking about those fights who normally wouldnt, thats a fact, like it or not.

If your talking about the crap you come out with well thats not strictly true either is it, unless hyperbole now means overexagerating with the intention of making oneself sound like a cock.

[cnote111]

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I think Boxing really needs to examine what is happening to the undercards... They have been getting worse and worse... I'm truly thankful the headliners have been overshadowing the extremely disappointing undercard fights, but c'mon!!!

[0james0]

Chavez Jnr has a record of something like 39-0, records don't make you a good boxer. -Just ask the Calzaghe haters. That must mean that Calzaghe is one of the greatest boxers ever? By his record, probably in the top 3. He was good, but not that good.(and I'm a big fan of his)

For me it's all about the people you beat, I'd rate a boxer far higher if he fought only the very best and lost a couple of those, compared to a boxer who fights unknowns and stays undefeated.

[0james0]

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I think Boxing really needs to examine what is happening to the undercards... They have been getting worse and worse... I'm truly thankful the headliners have been overshadowing the extremely disappointing undercard fights, but c'mon!!!

Couldn't agree more.

It's all down to the greed though, everyone thinks they should be the headliner so won't want to share their spoils by having other big names on the bill.

Same as PPV is becoming excesive, PPV has done far more harm than good for boxing. The fan base would be much bigger if fans didn't have to for out £15 for most big named fights. People like Khan IMO shouldn't be on PPV yet.

[rjj tszyu]

TOPIC RELATED:

I think Boxing really needs to examine what is happening to the undercards... They have been getting worse and worse... I'm truly thankful the headliners have been overshadowing the extremely disappointing undercard fights, but c'mon!!!

Couldn't agree more.

It's all down to the greed though, everyone thinks they should be the headliner so won't want to share their spoils by having other big names on the bill.

Same as PPV is becoming excesive, PPV has done far more harm than good for boxing. The fan base would be much bigger if fans didn't have to for out £15 for most big named fights. People like Khan IMO shouldn't be on PPV yet.

No way should Khan be PPV. He got KO'd in his first PPV fight and should have been dropped off it then. Only way Sky saved themselves was by putting his next fight on as part of the Pac-Oscar PPV (which probably wouldn't have been PPV, as not many U.S. cards are on SKY) and then somehow getting him in with an ATG in Barrera!

[El Kabong]

i bring it up to show your ignorance and how much of a hypocrite you can be, you bash all the Haye nuthuggers yet you're the same thing, only thing is you do it for Wlad, Louis has the 25 defenses over mainly weak opposition and Marciano made a career out of knocking out has been contenders, Ali became the first man to become 3 time HW champ, Louis never regained the title after losing it period, and if we're gonna go by actual fight records, Ali's is a step above the rest, but back to the main topic, and it's the last one i'm putting on here cause you're too thick to ever be wrong , yes Haye sucks, but he still puts butts in seats, therefore making him a popular fighter, is it really that hard for you to accept or understand?

Joe Louis didn't win his title back because he never got another shot to win it back and the only loss he had after initially losing the title was his last fight vs Rocky Marciano.

ANY Ali fan (and all of them think I am insulting him by not agreeing that he BY HIMSELF is the greatest heavyweight boxer of all-time) will bring up competition, time and time again and I will tell you that there have been MANY weak eras and many strong eras and NOBODY has accomplished what Joe Louis accomplished, not Tyson, not Holmes, not Lennox Lewis, not Rocky, not Floyd Patterson, not Liston, and not ALI. So you can see it is rather difficult to make 25 successful title defenses in a row no matter who you fight. Louis held the title from 1937-1950. Joe Louis fought often (about 2 fights a year) AND he took time off to serve in the Army so he got robbed of time just like Ali and he STILL got 25 successful title defenses in. Many heavyweight champs(regardless of the level of competition) would have gone soft or quit training as hard or not taken a fight seriously and they would have lost 25 title defenses is a marathon. And the same goes for Rocky's 49-0-0, that is a marathon and it doesn't matter who you fight, it's tough to do that.

Ali is the only fighter to win the linear Heavyweight championship belt 3 times, but there isn't just 1 belt anymore Evander Holyfield is a 4 time heavyweight champion (2 linear titles) and Vitali Klitschko is a 3 time heavyweight champion of the world...that accomplishment is a tough one to make because well first off you have to lose the title a couple times to be able to do it, but I digress winning the title back is a tough thing to do because ANY loss can destroy a career let alone 2 losses. Still, it's harder just to win 25 straight

I don't diss Ali for what he did in the ring, he was talented as hell, but why can you and every other Ali fan out there just accept a different OPINION What's your fucking problem? I'm not insulting Ali when I say that he's not alone at the top, I'm not insulting Ali when I say he isn't who I consider the greatest of all time, I just have a different view and you need to just accept it because you're not going to change it.

As for your talking about my defending the Klitschko's...what about it? They are some of the biggest boxers in the history of the sport (heighth wise anyway) and they are blessed with a lot of skill to be as big as they are. I think they take too much crap right now but Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield took a bunch of shit during their reigns at the top too. I just defend a viewpoint and sometimes offer up different opinions based on fact.


Also, just to add this in the Super 6 tournament has helped boxing as well, great idea to do that. I think it should be done it every weight class about every couple of years or so

[0james0]

i bring it up to show your ignorance and how much of a hypocrite you can be, you bash all the Haye nuthuggers yet you're the same thing, only thing is you do it for Wlad, Louis has the 25 defenses over mainly weak opposition and Marciano made a career out of knocking out has been contenders, Ali became the first man to become 3 time HW champ, Louis never regained the title after losing it period, and if we're gonna go by actual fight records, Ali's is a step above the rest, but back to the main topic, and it's the last one i'm putting on here cause you're too thick to ever be wrong , yes Haye sucks, but he still puts butts in seats, therefore making him a popular fighter, is it really that hard for you to accept or understand?

Joe Louis didn't win his title back because he never got another shot to win it back and the only loss he had after initially losing the title was his last fight vs Rocky Marciano.

ANY Ali fan (and all of them think I am insulting him by not agreeing that he BY HIMSELF is the greatest heavyweight boxer of all-time) will bring up competition, time and time again and I will tell you that there have been MANY weak eras and many strong eras and NOBODY has accomplished what Joe Louis accomplished, not Tyson, not Holmes, not Lennox Lewis, not Rocky, not Floyd Patterson, not Liston, and not ALI. So you can see it is rather difficult to make 25 successful title defenses in a row no matter who you fight. Louis held the title from 1937-1950. Joe Louis fought often (about 2 fights a year) AND he took time off to serve in the Army so he got robbed of time just like Ali and he STILL got 25 successful title defenses in. Many heavyweight champs(regardless of the level of competition) would have gone soft or quit training as hard or not taken a fight seriously and they would have lost 25 title defenses is a marathon. And the same goes for Rocky's 49-0-0, that is a marathon and it doesn't matter who you fight, it's tough to do that.

Ali is the only fighter to win the linear Heavyweight championship belt 3 times, but there isn't just 1 belt anymore Evander Holyfield is a 4 time heavyweight champion (2 linear titles) and Vitali Klitschko is a 3 time heavyweight champion of the world...that accomplishment is a tough one to make because well first off you have to lose the title a couple times to be able to do it, but I digress winning the title back is a tough thing to do because ANY loss can destroy a career let alone 2 losses. Still, it's harder just to win 25 straight

I don't diss Ali for what he did in the ring, he was talented as hell, but why can you and every other Ali fan out there just accept a different OPINION What's your fucking problem? I'm not insulting Ali when I say that he's not alone at the top, I'm not insulting Ali when I say he isn't who I consider the greatest of all time, I just have a different view and you need to just accept it because you're not going to change it.

As for your talking about my defending the Klitschko's...what about it? They are some of the biggest boxers in the history of the sport (heighth wise anyway) and they are blessed with a lot of skill to be as big as they are. I think they take too much crap right now but Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield took a bunch of shit during their reigns at the top too. I just defend a viewpoint and sometimes offer up different opinions based on fact.


Also, just to add this in the Super 6 tournament has helped boxing as well, great idea to do that. I think it should be done it every weight class about every couple of years or so

Everything you say there is pretty much true. But that wasn't the argument!

The problem was that you were slamming Haye, when all people were saying is that in Europe he is making waves and bringing interest back into boxing. You then went off on one about how he's shit and on decline.

I personally think that the oldies would not have done aswell in todays world (with the heavyweights prob being the only exceptions because there is a fairly poor batch now)