this is why pacquaio wants specifc test dates

[ross]

some of you is labeling pac as guilty.
Why cast suspicion?

He is acting guilty and suspicious is why

[ross]

Imo pac will eventually agree in a couple of days.

I think either Pacquiaos team come to their senses and agree or Pacquiao is about to become One of the biggest sporting scandals ever and a national embarrassment.

If they agree, that doesnt prove that Pacquiao has been clean, it just means they had no choice, they couldnt run anymore and had to bite the bullet.

People who know more than me, if he has been taking EPO or something else, and he agrees and stays clean for the entire camp, will he come in lighter than usual? Or look smaller, surely he wouldnt have the staying power to deal with Floyds extra strength in the later rounds.

[mad_takamura]

Imo pac will eventually agree in a couple of days.

I think either Pacquiaos team come to their senses and agree or Pacquiao is about to become One of the biggest sporting scandals ever and a national embarrassment.

If they agree, that doesnt prove that Pacquiao has been clean, it just means they had no choice, they couldnt run anymore and had to bite the bullet.

People who know more than me, if he has been taking EPO or something else, and he agrees and stays clean for the entire camp, will he come in lighter than usual? Or look smaller, surely he wouldnt have the staying power to deal with Floyds extra strength in the later rounds.

I'm a pacfan but i have said a lot of times that pac might lose to pbf. It's because i don't see that steroid issue being a factor, but i see that it's going to be the skills as a factor.
As for your last querry, pac would still look the same as his recent fights. I don't believe on that steroid b.s.. It's pure nonsense. If there is doubt i'm sure sooner or later we will know the truth. This is just psywar and dramatizing the hype imo.

[blegit]

Very good job of Conte simplifying this. The problem is that most of boxing and other sports are very ignorant to how easy announced testing is to beat. And how worthless urine tests are. Even Timothy Bradley thinks the urine tests, which aren't even random at that, that boxing commission do are proving cleanliness of drugs. Considering what team Pac is saying and requesting with the tests it makes Pac sound like an educated steroid user.

the bradley thing makes me slightly suspiscious, i cant understand why one fighter would give the benefit of the doubt to another considering the nature of the sport,

bradley used to be an amatuer bodybuilder prior to becoming a pro boxer, surley he would be at least a little clued up on this

I didn't know Bradley use to be an amateur bodybuilder. He looks the role though. Knowing that he is definitely playing ignorant than. I was getting into bodybuilder but I have yet to compete in a show yet. The reason being is that I have found that almost every competitor I know in the bodybuilder field is juicing. Its not even kept very secretive. I have never used any steroid but just about everybody I know in gym does. And the bodybuilders talk about it freely as a foregone conclusion that if you expect to compete then you have to juice. I'm not going to say Bradley was or is on anything but if he was an amateur bodybuilder than he definitely knows urine tests are laughable and prove next to nothing.

[AdamGB]

The only body builders who have to be concerned about PEDs or steroids being detected are those who compete in events specifically for 'natural' bodybuilders so I wouldn't have assumed that a bodybuilder would definitely know a GREAT deal about the detection of PEDs.

To answer your question, Pac won't necessarily look any smaller...

If you take juice but don't train or feed yourself to get bigger then you won't. Try to think more of PEDs and steroids than that they just make you 'bigger'.

performance enhancing drugs.

Like you've said, he may fatigue later on if he has used them and stopped, lose some of his explosiveness etc.

[Kamao]

Lots of athletes have passed tests before and later been caught...

Do you have any idea how easy it is to mask or cycle PED if you know the tests and dates for them?

Just because he has passed a test before it doesn't prove a thing.

That being said, Pac is innocent until proven guilty... but I don't see how even a fanboy such as your self cannot cast suspicion on Pac based on how he has dealt with this so far.

That's what i'm talking about. But it seems some of you is labeling pac as guilty.
Why cast suspicion when all of the urine test proved pac negative before? Why believe sr.? Does he deserve merit for us to believe him?

The bottom line for me is that Urine tests are inconclusive at best and that Pac's behaviour over this fiasco have cast a huge amount of suspicion over him.

He must have known the reaction that the general public would have over this, yet he chose to act the way he has... In my opinion ANY effect that the blood test would have (which would be slim to none) would not be worth the way this has made Pac look unless he had something BIG to hide. That is just my opinion though, unfortunatly for pac that is no doubt the opinion of 100s of others now too.

The fact that he has acted this way, asking for a timetable, saying he's afraid of needles, despite having tattoos, thinking a tiny blood test will affect him when he is surrounded by sports nutritionists/chefs etc is a MASSIVE smoking gun no matter which way you spin it.

The way I see it, Mayweather is afraid to fight. Why only now the issue had been raised on this blood test thing? Past DLH, Hatton, Cotto and nobody asked then for this shit test thing. As the saying goes: "If one man wants to do a task, he will do it without hesitation otherwise, he will complain, go into lots of talking and make excuses".

Mind everybody here, Team Pacquiao is not against on this blood test thing, they want to have the test but with some other third party agency. In addition, why USADA? both are professional fighters recognized not only in the USA but to the whole of Planet Earth. Correct me if I'm wrong but USADA is doing testing only for Olympic, Pan American and Paralympic Athletes. (Do you think the Major League Baseball will agree to have their testing with a collegiate baseball agency specializing in high school and college baseball leagues oh common, have some common sense). INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

[hitmanhatton]

That's what i'm talking about. But it seems some of you is labeling pac as guilty.
Why cast suspicion when all of the urine test proved pac negative before? Why believe sr.? Does he deserve merit for us to believe him?

The bottom line for me is that Urine tests are inconclusive at best and that Pac's behaviour over this fiasco have cast a huge amount of suspicion over him.

He must have known the reaction that the general public would have over this, yet he chose to act the way he has... In my opinion ANY effect that the blood test would have (which would be slim to none) would not be worth the way this has made Pac look unless he had something BIG to hide. That is just my opinion though, unfortunatly for pac that is no doubt the opinion of 100s of others now too.

The fact that he has acted this way, asking for a timetable, saying he's afraid of needles, despite having tattoos, thinking a tiny blood test will affect him when he is surrounded by sports nutritionists/chefs etc is a MASSIVE smoking gun no matter which way you spin it.

The way I see it, Mayweather is afraid to fight. Why only now the issue had been raised on this blood test thing? Past DLH, Hatton, Cotto and nobody asked then for this shit test thing. As the saying goes: "If one man wants to do a task, he will do it without hesitation otherwise, he will complain, go into lots of talking and make excuses".

Mind everybody here, Team Pacquiao is not against on this blood test thing, they want to have the test but with some other third party agency. In addition, why USADA? both are professional fighters recognized not only in the USA both to the whole of Planet Earth. Correct me if I'm wrong but USADA is doing testing only for Olympic, Pan American and Paralympic Athletes. (Do you think the Major League Baseball will agree to have their testing with a collegiate baseball agency specializing in high school and college baseball leagues oh common, have some common sense). INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

waste of a first post.... fact

[mad_takamura]

The bottom line for me is that Urine tests are inconclusive at best and that Pac's behaviour over this fiasco have cast a huge amount of suspicion over him.

He must have known the reaction that the general public would have over this, yet he chose to act the way he has... In my opinion ANY effect that the blood test would have (which would be slim to none) would not be worth the way this has made Pac look unless he had something BIG to hide. That is just my opinion though, unfortunatly for pac that is no doubt the opinion of 100s of others now too.

The fact that he has acted this way, asking for a timetable, saying he's afraid of needles, despite having tattoos, thinking a tiny blood test will affect him when he is surrounded by sports nutritionists/chefs etc is a MASSIVE smoking gun no matter which way you spin it.

The way I see it, Mayweather is afraid to fight. Why only now the issue had been raised on this blood test thing? Past DLH, Hatton, Cotto and nobody asked then for this shit test thing. As the saying goes: "If one man wants to do a task, he will do it without hesitation otherwise, he will complain, go into lots of talking and make excuses".

Mind everybody here, Team Pacquiao is not against on this blood test thing, they want to have the test but with some other third party agency. In addition, why USADA? both are professional fighters recognized not only in the USA both to the whole of Planet Earth. Correct me if I'm wrong but USADA is doing testing only for Olympic, Pan American and Paralympic Athletes. (Do you think the Major League Baseball will agree to have their testing with a collegiate baseball agency specializing in high school and college baseball leagues oh common, have some common sense). INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

waste of a first post.... fact

FACT OFF. All opinions ain't a waste when you're actually have basis for your opinions. Mother factly.

[mad_takamura]

Now that team pbf is withdrawing that, it means that they can't back up their claims. How many times do i have to say that the fight will move on. Do you think pac is backing up from a 40m payday? As a hater you fucking wish. That's because you label pac as a coward when your balls is'nt even the half of pac's balls. All of you fucking internet warriors are only brave when you're in front of your pc's. Can't be half the man pac is. Now that's a fact.

[Kamao]

The bottom line for me is that Urine tests are inconclusive at best and that Pac's behaviour over this fiasco have cast a huge amount of suspicion over him.

He must have known the reaction that the general public would have over this, yet he chose to act the way he has... In my opinion ANY effect that the blood test would have (which would be slim to none) would not be worth the way this has made Pac look unless he had something BIG to hide. That is just my opinion though, unfortunatly for pac that is no doubt the opinion of 100s of others now too.

The fact that he has acted this way, asking for a timetable, saying he's afraid of needles, despite having tattoos, thinking a tiny blood test will affect him when he is surrounded by sports nutritionists/chefs etc is a MASSIVE smoking gun no matter which way you spin it.

The way I see it, Mayweather is afraid to fight. Why only now the issue had been raised on this blood test thing? Past DLH, Hatton, Cotto and nobody asked then for this shit test thing. As the saying goes: "If one man wants to do a task, he will do it without hesitation otherwise, he will complain, go into lots of talking and make excuses".

Mind everybody here, Team Pacquiao is not against on this blood test thing, they want to have the test but with some other third party agency. In addition, why USADA? both are professional fighters recognized not only in the USA but to the whole of Planet Earth. Correct me if I'm wrong but USADA is doing testing only for Olympic, Pan American and Paralympic Athletes. (Do you think the Major League Baseball will agree to have their testing with a collegiate baseball agency specializing in high school and college baseball leagues oh common, have some common sense). INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

waste of a first post.... fact

Hey. don't let your small brain eat you. Everything here is merely an opinion and everything are accompanied by big IF's and What If's. If you say "Waste of a First Post" others and that includes myself will also say that yours are also a waste and a F?cking no-sense. Learn how to look into different perspectives so you will be re-educated.

[KKisser]

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/DHB/Kim122509.html

great article from victor conte the former head of BALCO, iv mentioned EPO in a few of my posts and it seems he agrees that this a big possibility with pac and explains a little on how the tests can be decieved if the fighters knows when they are set for

funny how epo can easily be undetected especially in boxing where blood testing isn't required yet pacquiao is the only fighter who has risen to the level he has.

[Gandalf]

Now that team pbf is withdrawing that, it means that they can't back up their claims. How many times do i have to say that the fight will move on. Do you think pac is backing up from a 40m payday? As a hater you fucking wish. That's because you label pac as a coward when your balls is'nt even the half of pac's balls. All of you fucking internet warriors are only brave when you're in front of your pc's. Can't be half the man pac is. Now that's a fact.

I had to give in to the temptation and neg rep you.

You are just getting annoying. There is a lot of hot air coming from you with your "fucking hater" this and "Pac has bigger balls than all of you" that. All people are asking is that Pac show himself clean through a relatively simple series of random checks. You people are acting like the skies are falling when it really isn't a particularly big demand. We are not trying to solve the middle east conflict here. It's just a pro sportsman being asked to provide some checks and he is refusing. Can you not see that this is not about hating, but a simple case of wanting the best for boxing and what will be the biggest fight of the year?

At the end of the day we all want the fight to happen and most people seem to be in favour of wanting both fighters to be clean. Let's have the tests and get on with it.

[KKisser]

if both fighters really want to fight each other it will eventually get done. who wouldn't with so much money on the line? at length they'll be able to work around it to the satisfaction of both sides. i think with pac's team it has something to do with giving up control in negotiations to an opponent who they feel needs the fight more than they do. the fact that floyd sr came up with the baseless accusation and pac's team having to disprove it by acquiescing to mayweather's demand of a test that's not really required in pro boxing is just ticking them off. pac has had some bad experience with blood drawing before in his first fight with morales. it's a psychological thing, nothing that big that cannot be overcome, but still something that he has issues with. to give in to mayweather's whim means team pac giving up control and shifting the leverage to their opponent side. anyway, the more stumbling blocks this fight have, the more people will talk about it and the better it will sell. i really didn't expect super fights of this magnitude would be that easy to negotiate and make.

[hitmanhatton]

The way I see it, Mayweather is afraid to fight. Why only now the issue had been raised on this blood test thing? Past DLH, Hatton, Cotto and nobody asked then for this shit test thing. As the saying goes: "If one man wants to do a task, he will do it without hesitation otherwise, he will complain, go into lots of talking and make excuses".

Mind everybody here, Team Pacquiao is not against on this blood test thing, they want to have the test but with some other third party agency. In addition, why USADA? both are professional fighters recognized not only in the USA but to the whole of Planet Earth. Correct me if I'm wrong but USADA is doing testing only for Olympic, Pan American and Paralympic Athletes. (Do you think the Major League Baseball will agree to have their testing with a collegiate baseball agency specializing in high school and college baseball leagues oh common, have some common sense). INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

waste of a first post.... fact

Hey. don't let your small brain eat you. Everything here is merely an opinion and everything are accompanied by big IF's and What If's. If you say "Waste of a First Post" others and that includes myself will also say that yours are also a waste and a F?cking no-sense. Learn how to look into different perspectives so you will be re-educated.

you can barley construct a sentence, ... re-educated indeed

[josef4334]

JMM is twice the fighter of either of those two.... also the weight isnt the issue, JMM slowed down as he has moved up in weight, pac doesnt seem to have done so

and a blood test 2 days before? they are not taking a gallon of blood, only a syringe full for a test... the human body is more than capable of replacing that within 24 hours

Still could weaken you to the actual fight.

and women bleed every month, deal with it pac, quit bitching and dish up the red, you pussy

wow, even a womens period comes out in these threads... but what does that have to do with anything?