So you're telling me that an old Foreman wouldn't even beat a post-prison "poorly trained" Mike Tyson as well as Prime Foreman wouldn't beat Prime Tyson?

You're right, Frazier was a different beast than Tyson, because Frazier built up steam as the fight wore on, Tyson lost it. Joe Frazier was an all time great and would have been difficult if not impossible for damn near anyone to beat as easily as Foreman did.

When Tyson didn't train properly he lacked head movement, he didn't use angles, he threw 1-2 punches at a time, very few if any combinations, had piss poor stamina and allowed himself to get tied up on the inside. Those shortcomings would make it an easy night's work for Foreman.

96-92, 96-92, 100-93 (the scores of the first fight vs Holyfield) don't seem all that close hell Foreman did very well vs Holyfield landing 41% of his punches even though he was slowed by using the cross block defense and so he couldn't counter effectively.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree here....everything that Foreman had to offer at any point in Tyson's career was just too much