Thanks andre and yes i think i understand now i tend to find myself sort of unconciousely doing this by moving out of range on their attack and then quickly moving in on them with my own attack i think either on the an or just before it is when i attack back, its not bad but i think maybe predictable i feel and i realise a good boxer will see right through what im doing and i realise you can build on this principle and probably use it in other ways rather than the simple rock back and come back in way i sort of use it for, any idea on training techniques to get this going with other movements rather than just the rock back and move back in im using now?