Thanks chris i was thinking myself the movements could be timed and it was the movements that bugged me in boxing 10 commanments it seems hes sort of transfering most of his weight back forth and side to side and recently ive come into realisation that doing that makes you slow in everything you do ive been trying to re-train myself to lift the front foot and push off with the rear to move forward and vice versa like scrap said in one of the threads and ive found my balance is spot on, im much faster much more in control and have been using counters i never had time for before while sparring and then when i saw this in 10 commandments i thought i had to start all over again hah, ive heared alot about breaking boxing down into a rhythm and it makes sense when you think about it the other day i managed to slip accidently a punch im not really sure i saw because my partner has a very predictable rhythm and doesnt change tempo much, the knack i think is to know when the dangerous beats are coming and i believe this is how you get to slipping and countering more shots rather than simply trying to see which shot is coming or trying to draw the shot, if you put it all together tells, draws, tempo, feints it makes a fighter quite predictable. thanks for replys missy and chris