Quote Originally Posted by Mr140 View Post
Well Tyson crushing cans few ok fighters and atg who was past his beast does not mean he could beat a elite fighter. I mean he lost to Douglas for fuck sake Wlad lost to people who he should not have either. I mean Wlad may not have fought great fighters so its kinda of a unknown. Tyson Has fought greats like Holyfeild and Lewis but those fighters crushed him. I never seen fighter ranked so high on some people list with out the resume to back it up. Ali, Foreman, Lewis and Holyfeild beat great fighters and were competitive for a long time thats what made them great.
Ali is "great" because he beat Frazier who was "great" because he beat Ali.

This BS about fighting "great" fighters is overstated. Who the hell did Holmes beat to be considered "great"? Why is Holyfield "great"? Because he has a 26-10 record as a heavyweight? A JOURNEYMAN record?? If his best win is against Tyson, who is a bum, then why is he great?

Post prison Tyson "losing" to Holyfield and to Lewis when he was a walking zombie doesn't mean anything. Tyson beat Michael Spinks, the greatest LHW ever ... he also beat Holmes, who is supposed to be "great" according to you.

Yeah I will concede that he didn't fight in a particular special era but he beat everyone there and made a resurgence after he lost. You can't blame Tyson for things he didn't have control over. Holmes ruled over an even weaker division yet he doesn't get this kind of criticism. Holmes couldn't even become undisputed heavyweight champion in the piss poor era he fought in and made a career out of crushing CANS and a sick, Parkinson's riddled Ali. The first elite fighter he fought, in Mike Tyson, he got KTFO. His biggest win to that point was an old Ken Norton or Gerry Cooney.

If Tyson fought nothing but bums then why does Lewis have those same names on his resume? He fought even weaker versions of those bums. Holyfield couldn't even win his series with John Ruiz and lost 2 out of 3 to Riddick Bowe.

Let us put things in perspective here ... Tyson wasn't being cracked by every punch that landed on his jaw nor was he petrified of anything going near his chin like Wlad.