Prime Mike Tyson in this era

[TitoFan]

lol so you're telling me that nobody could've survived those shots from McCall and Rahman??



Tokyo Douglas would've had Wlad out of there in 2 rounds max ... Vitali would've gotten TKOed in 6

I'm a big Tyson fan also, but there's such a thing as taking fandom to an extreme.

#1- A heavyweight takes a flush shot such as Lewis did against both McCall and Rahman... and 90% chance he's going down. Lewis was not moving back with the punch. There was no partial blockage of the punch. In each case, the punch landed right on the button (the point of the chin, which rattles the brain more).

#2- I'm the first one to say that Douglas deserves all the credit in the world (see past posts) for his upset of Tyson. And I do think he KO's Wlad at some point early or mid-fight. But Vitali KO'ed in 6? C'mon man. What Mrs. Klitschko didn't give to Wlad in the chin department, was because Vitali had already taken it.

[TysonBomb]

lol so you're telling me that nobody could've survived those shots from McCall and Rahman??



Tokyo Douglas would've had Wlad out of there in 2 rounds max ... Vitali would've gotten TKOed in 6

I'm a big Tyson fan also, but there's such a thing as taking fandom to an extreme.

#1- A heavyweight takes a flush shot such as Lewis did against both McCall and Rahman... and 90% chance he's going down. Lewis was not moving back with the punch. There was no partial blockage of the punch. In each case, the punch landed right on the button (the point of the chin, which rattles the brain more).

#2- I'm the first one to say that Douglas deserves all the credit in the world (see past posts) for his upset of Tyson. And I do think he KO's Wlad at some point early or mid-fight. But Vitali KO'ed in 6? C'mon man. What Mrs. Klitschko didn't give to Wlad in the chin department, was because Vitali had already taken it.

We can't say for sure how many heavyweights could take those shots from Rahman and McCall, so assigning a percentage is the wrong thing to do. But I can tell you that not every heavyweight would be KOed from those punches. And how many one punch KOs do Rahman and McCall have between them?? Both were never known for one punch KO power ... McCall was known for durability and Rahman was known for his overall ability. It was more of a chin failure from Lewis than super punches from either guy ... especially when Lewis was KTFO while exchanging with McCall and with his guard up against Rahman.

"That punch would've KOed anybody" isn't always true.

[TitoFan]

lol so you're telling me that nobody could've survived those shots from McCall and Rahman??



Tokyo Douglas would've had Wlad out of there in 2 rounds max ... Vitali would've gotten TKOed in 6

I'm a big Tyson fan also, but there's such a thing as taking fandom to an extreme.

#1- A heavyweight takes a flush shot such as Lewis did against both McCall and Rahman... and 90% chance he's going down. Lewis was not moving back with the punch. There was no partial blockage of the punch. In each case, the punch landed right on the button (the point of the chin, which rattles the brain more).

#2- I'm the first one to say that Douglas deserves all the credit in the world (see past posts) for his upset of Tyson. And I do think he KO's Wlad at some point early or mid-fight. But Vitali KO'ed in 6? C'mon man. What Mrs. Klitschko didn't give to Wlad in the chin department, was because Vitali had already taken it.

We can't say for sure how many heavyweights could take those shots from Rahman and McCall, so assigning a percentage is the wrong thing to do. But I can tell you that not every heavyweight would be KOed from those punches. And how many one punch KOs do Rahman and McCall have between them?? Both were never known for one punch KO power ... McCall was known for durability and Rahman was known for his overall ability. It was more of a chin failure from Lewis than super punches from either guy ... especially when Lewis was KTFO while exchanging with McCall and with his guard up against Rahman.

"That punch would've KOed anybody" isn't always true.

You're right. There's no way to accurately put a percentage on how many HW's would be knocked out by those punches. But I still think you're oversimplifying things with the bolded statement above. You neglect to notice everything else about the punches which resulted in the knockouts. I've seen these over and over again. They caught Lewis cold and flush on the point of the chin. These punches, more than any other head punches, create the sudden rotation of the neck which in combination with the rattling of the brain results in a knockout. Many other head shots land on the cheek, forehead, ear, etc. The point of the chin is the most susceptible. You also neglected to consider what I mentioned about the punches not being partially blocked. This happens a lot also. And finally... you said it yourself. Lewis was exchanging with McCall. A lot of knockouts occur as a result of an exchange, when the other fighter is coming forward with his own punch. And what you call "his guard up" against Rahman was nothing but a lazy attempt at keeping his hands up. Rahman's punch touched nothing but chin. The theory that Lewis somehow had a suspect chin gets put to bed with the fight against Vitali, where Lewis caught some heavy bombs himself.

Lewis' issue was usually mental. He could be lackadaisical and lazy, which he was in the first fights against both McCall and Rahman... or he could come in with a killer's mentality.

[Spicoli]

Is that the same McCall who it was common knowledge he gave Tyson living Hell in sparring and was said to have dropped pre Douglas Mike Tyson

[TysonBomb]

Is that the same McCall who it was common knowledge he gave Tyson living Hell in sparring and was said to have dropped pre Douglas Mike Tyson

They never dropped each other to my knowledge. Tyson was dropped by Greg Page in prep for Douglas but that's about it. But even Trevor Berbick was giving Mike problems then, who was clearly not prepared at all.

They did have some tough battles in sparring but unlike Tyson, Lewis was KTFO when it mattered and was rolling around the canvas like an intoxicated mutt.

And please show me proof of McCall EVER being a 1 punch KO artist. Even he was shocked at how pathetic Lewis's punch resistance was and how easy it was to KO him. McCall was never known as a huge puncher, that is revisionist history from Lewis fans. Nor was he an amazing KO artist ... his KO% is just 53%.

[Spicoli]

Is that the same McCall who it was common knowledge he gave Tyson living Hell in sparring and was said to have dropped pre Douglas Mike Tyson

They never dropped each other to my knowledge. Tyson was dropped by Greg Page in prep for Douglas but that's about it. But even Trevor Berbick was giving Mike problems then, who was clearly not prepared at all.

They did have some tough battles in sparring but unlike Tyson, Lewis was KTFO when it mattered and was rolling around the canvas like an intoxicated mutt.

And please show me proof of McCall EVER being a 1 punch KO artist. Even he was shocked at how pathetic Lewis's punch resistance was and how easy it was to KO him. McCall was never known as a huge puncher, that is revisionist history from Lewis fans. Nor was he an amazing KO artist ... his KO% is just 53%.

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I know I know, nows the point when you tell everyone how shitty Akinwande and Maskaev were. I actually get that but the point is that as cliche as it is to say 'anything can happen at heavyweight' it is all very true. The way you contort things to fit an agenda is as transparent as glass. McCall sparked Akinwande, Lewis did not. Is there any doubt Lewis is still the bigger puncher regardless? You cannot say Lewis is a glass jawed mutt because he was caught with literally only two shots that had him out while also knowing he was hit sharper, harder and faced bigger punchers and withstood against the likes of a Holyfield, or a Mercer, or a "zombie Tyson" or a Tua, or a Morrison etc etc or the very same Rahman in the rematch. All of whom I have no doubt are better hitters than a Oliver McCall who literally had his eyes closed when he threw and landed a one in a million shot. Ko ratios and simple record lines are not the end all and be all. Its heavyweights, bombs land and shit falls down. I don't know anyone declaring McCall a tremendous punching machine off a single elite level one punch ko and equally its in error to think Lewis would just crumble into dust vs your bwoy because it was he who fell that night. Something tells me I've just wasted alot of time. No one is bashing Mike...but he was human, not some super hero who walked on water and crapped gold cufflinks. Come down to Earth.