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I know that not everyone will agree with what I have to say but in order to be called great, we are sometimes mistaken when we call a fighter great. Everyone has great moments or in this scenario nights but very few of us can transcend these moments into an era. Great fighters are mistakenly called great for having great nights. What makes a fighter great is the training, the homework and living the lifestyle of a fighter. Some call themselves warriors but be careful because soldiers are often called warriors when they are trained for what they do and a good soldier like a good fighter is open for greatness. He does his job with the resources available to him and a renewable, mind you renewable desire each time he gets into the ring. Warriors in certain parts of history are known as mindless killers, not a good image. Know what you mean and mean what you say. In summation, yes under the wing of Rooney given all the sets of circumstances that got him there minus, Ruthless Roper and Robbing Givens, he could with training and the right coaching repeat his feats in this era because with those tools, you have fighters that care and most of all, realistic. I don't know about great but if you think back into your own life you just may find you are capable of doing better things if you had patience, education and perseverance. Champion has a good ring to it, right? Most of the contenders in the heavyweight division should fight more often because if Mike was here they'd definitely need to practice survival of the fittest. I'm not the biggest fan of Mike Tyson but his greatness was never truly fulfilled because he was distracted.
Easily distracted, after Buster got through with him. Tyson became distracted by his own suspect chin.
What makes anyone think the same thing wouldn't happen again.
Suspect chin? You really do not know boxing.
I know how to read a boxing record. He was a great puncher but after all was said and done, he could dish it out but he--his chin--couldn't take it. Too bad he couldn't keep his penis where it belonged, he wouldn't have lost some good years, effectively screwing himself and his legacy. Too bad his chin didn't match his mouth, his KO% would have been much better too.
You cant just look at a record and conclude.There is no evidence to suggest that Tyson had a bad chin. The punches Douglas landed to get Mike in trouble were perfectly timed and placed and may have dropped anyone. Its like saying Fullmer had a bad chin because of the second Robinson fight.

Same with Lewis. People actually consider him to have a weak chin because of the McCall and Rahman fight but FFS had those shots landed on anyone I don't see them continuing. He simply got caught clean and any man can be knocked out. These same people ignore the bombs he took from Vitali in the pocket to continue the dogma.

Lets get real on the rape charge. He may have been convicted as he was Americas bad boy at the time but that whole episode in history leaves a bad taste. Like a gold digging gone wrong. Never trusted that entire ordeal even though I admit to hating Tyson at the time. Tyson was a phenom regardless of who ranks him on their atg lists and is an atg. The jail term changes nothing boxing wise. His legacy is set and he's a first ballet hall of famer regardless of the circus late in his career.

The time off Jeffries spent prior to fighting Johnson changes nothing.
The time off Louis spent because of ww2 changes nothing.
The time off Ali spent because of Viet Nam changes nothing.
The time off Tyson spent in jail because of a trumped up rape changes nothing.

None of those lapses in time change the body of work by any of those all time greats.