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Im just a white boy from San Diego. I take nobodies side. My opinion is just an opinion. Im not into the name calling. And will take no part in it. My opinion is Martinez is not the same fighter he was before. The movement he showed in the Chavez fight was not there. To say Martinez was ruined in the Chavez fight is a valid statement. Why it's upsetting some posters so much is baffling to me.


Sensible opinions are always welcome, Scott. Pay no mind to the private war going on.
We always do that.

There's a couple of reasons why I disagree with the "ruined" theory.

1. Had Martinez given himself enough time to come back properly from the knee injury he suffered, he would've been fine. He made a mistake in judgement. Either that, or the rehab didn't go as planned.

2. You're absolutely right. Martinez is definitely NOT the same fighter he was before. But it wasn't just because or after the Chavez fight. Martinez is 38 years old. His decline has probably been going on for some time now. Against Chavez he looked sharp and fast because he was..... fighting Chavez. Fighting someone as one-dimensional and slow as Chavez will make most great fighters look even greater.

3. People mention his hand. Again, Martinez has been susceptible to injuries, including hand ones, for a long time. And if he hurt it against Chavez, it was because he was smashing it against Chavez's face the WHOLE fight.



No one disputes that Martinez has been on a downhill slide. But to give Chavez credit for somehow "ruining" Martinez..... especially since Chavez has been Martinez's most dominant victory in his last few fights...... is giving Chavez credit where credit is most certainly NOT due. And THAT is my problem with the whole "ruining" theory.
Don't take this the wrong way, but you seem to be more concern with not giving Chavez credit than you do with the valid points presented to you. I say that because you never even mentioned the knock down. Which is what caused his knee injury. Im far from a Chavez fan. But I think he earned himself some respect for rallying and almost scoring the knock out in the last round. Most fighters who had been dominated the way he was dominated for 11 rounds would of just packed it in and accepted there loss. They would of just settled for the distance. Chavez didn't. He went for it. That should be respected. At least in my opinion it does.